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[quote=tryfuhl;675160]Todd Collins replacement

I mean who expects a starter as our backup? At least the guy HAS started and had some success before.[/quote]

I'd rather have all three of them fight over the starting spot. Perhaps they will?

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Someone had to replace Collns, may as well be someone famaliar with the system. I doubt he'll ever see the field bar injury. Nothing here to get excited about.

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My view is the same as several: JC, Rex, PJ as your 2010 QBs and Shanny restocks the OLine through the draft. You could even see Shanny take a flyer late in the draft on a QB to give PJ something to work for.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;675167]I'd rather have all three of them fight over the starting spot. Perhaps they will?[/quote]
Clearly the theme for this off-season is Competition. I don't think there are any sacred cows, so may the best player win.

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Ol' Ball Coach is back and in charge.

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I updated it:

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Side note - Isn't THIS what everyone was asking for last year....more deep throws? :rofl:

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[quote=Buster;675182]I updated it:

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Side note - Isn't THIS what everyone was asking for last year....more deep throws? :rofl:[/quote]

haha.. quick lil job there

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I'm fine with this, I don't mind rex getting hammered behind our OL.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;675131]True or False? - Jason Campbell will be traded before or during the 2010 draft.[/quote]During, probably for a 2nd

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;675197]During, probably for a 2nd[/quote]

He's tendered for a first.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;675204]He's tendered for a first.[/quote]
They can negotiate a trade. It doesn't have to be a first-rounder.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;675205]They can negotiate a trade. It doesn't have to be a first-rounder.[/quote]

I wouldn't.

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[quote=Buster;675144]HORRIBLE TRADE FOR US!

Great deal for the Rams if they could pull off that highway robbery. This sounds like something Vinny would do.[/quote]
Couldn't agree more.

So what if they trade Campbell and the #4 to St Louis? You are still stuck paying out a contract for a #1 overall pick, QB none the less who gets paid more than anyone. Take a look at past #1 overall QB taken, they get TONS of money. And if a franchise if not careful, it could set thier team back as much as 10 years. Case in point:

JaMarcus Russell
Ryan Leaf (ok he was the 2nd pick, but you see what I mean)

The #1 overall pick is scary enough to choose, but on a QB it is magnified ten-fold.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;675172]My view is the same as several: JC, Rex, PJ as your 2010 QBs and Shanny restocks the OLine through the draft. You could even see Shanny take a flyer late in the draft on a QB to give PJ something to work for.[/quote]

Little if any attention so far has been directed towards the LT position in free agency. To date no attempt has been made to resign Levi Jones who after coming in late last year played well at times. He's an URFA who has made it clear he wants to be a starter for some team, not sure the Redskins are willing to commit to him long term.

Therefore it may be safe to asume it is the intention to address the position of LT in the draft, whether it be with the 1st or 2nd round pick. So much speculation surrounding Jason Campbell that will all be made much clearer next month.

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I am beginning to not like Shanny. His teams were always soft, except for those Elway Terrell Davis, Sharp Super Bowl years.

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[quote=Longtimefan;675210]Little if any attention so far has been directed towards the LT position in free agency. [B]To date no attempt has been made to resign Levi Jones who after coming in late last year played well at times. [/B]He's an URFA who has made it clear he wants to be a starter for some team, not sure the Redskins are willing to commit to him long term.

Therefore it may be safe to asume it is the intention to address the position of LT in the draft, whether it be with the 1st or 2nd round pick. So much speculation surrounding Jason Campbell that will all be made much clearer next month.[/quote]

Just so you know, and I will have to find the link, but an offer was made to sign Levi Jones, and he said no thank you, he wanted more money, and probably some guarantee which he isn't getting.

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[quote=Longtimefan;675210]Little if any attention so far has been directed towards the LT position in free agency. To date no attempt has been made to resign Levi Jones who after coming in late last year played well at times. He's an URFA who has made it clear he wants to be a starter for some team, not sure the Redskins are willing to commit to him long term.

Therefore it may be safe to asume it is the intention to address the position of LT in the draft, whether it be with the 1st or 2nd round pick. So much speculation surrounding Jason Campbell that will all be made much clearer next month.[/quote]

I agree about Levi Jones. Maybe he is the one holding up a deal - remember he shopped himself for a long time last year?

Maybe if we do not walk away from the draft with a clear new LT (I'm not recommending this, just saying), he will quickly sign, thinking he has a sure starting job with us. Maybe.

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Levi was offered one year deal I believe, probably vet min

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;675211]I am beginning to not like Shanny. His teams were always soft, except for those Elway Terrell Davis, Sharp Super Bowl years.[/quote]

Signing Rex means that Shanny is building a soft team? How did you make that leap?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;675209]Couldn't agree more.

So what if they trade Campbell and the #4 to St Louis? You are still stuck paying out a contract for a #1 overall pick, QB none the less who gets paid more than anyone. Take a look at past #1 overall QB taken, they get TONS of money. And if a franchise if not careful, it could set thier team back as much as 10 years. Case in point:

JaMarcus Russell
Ryan Leaf (ok he was the 2nd pick, but you see what I mean)

The #1 overall pick is scary enough to choose, but on a QB it is magnified ten-fold.[/quote]

We...agree...?
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You're absolutely right.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;675211]I am beginning to not like Shanny. His teams were always soft, except for those Elway Terrell Davis, Sharp Super Bowl years.[/quote]

Yeah, except for the years he was World Champion, his teams were bad. :goodjob:

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[quote=celts32;675222]Signing Rex means that Shanny is building a soft team? How did you make that leap?[/quote]

I think that he meant the full approach so far. I mean we all have our thoughts but until the season culminates we can speculate on and judge the moves and non-moves all that we want. They've constantly said that the plan is over the coming years, maybe they'd rather be the 3rd little piggy.

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How could you not love this?

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81264567/Pre-WK-4-Rex-Grossman-highlights]NFL Videos: Pre WK 4: Rex Grossman highlights[/url]

Pineapple Jesus , bow down to the Religion of Rex!

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Maybe they signed him to make JC look good.

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[quote=Buster;675147]If he DOES, he knows Kyle Shanahan's system and likely Mike Shanahan's too. The fact that it is a 1-year deal makes me think we're going to build up the line this year and if we need a QB after doing that...next year we will get one in the draft.[/quote]

I agree...I don't think the Redskins have any intentions of trading Jason Campbell, and that's not just because he will command a 1st round pick. The team will be improved from a personnel standpoint and he will be given every opportunity to perform with a full complement of stable players.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;675173]Clearly the theme for this off-season is Competition. I don't think there are any sacred cows, so may the best player win.[/quote]

yeah i see competition on the horizon as well. while i would rather have JC over rex right now (id have to see rex play to really make a comparison) i do think rex may look better early on b/c he knows the system.

sandy - you have to pull the trigger and take a chance on getting a potential franchise qb at some point. sitting at no. 4 gives us a chance that may not be around again for a long time.

whats worse - taking a chance at consistent competition for a SB or wallowing in .500 mediocrity football for another decade?

im pretty sure if bradford or claussen bust, we can find a vet game-managing qb and play .500 ball like we have for the longest time.

if bradford or claussen dont bust and turn up legit, well my friend, the skins may be legit contenders for the SB for years to come.

dare to great.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;675211]I am beginning to not like Shanny. His teams were always soft, except for those Elway Terrell Davis, Sharp Super Bowl years.[/quote]

It's March... you might want to give him a chance.

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Rex CAN be good, sometimes, but if he's not it's an ugly disaster.

He's boom or bust any Sunday. He could throw for 250, 80% passing and 3 TDs...or 40 yards on 10% passing with 4 INTs. He's Jeckyl and Hyde in shoulder pads.

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[quote=SBXVII;675141]I'm still standing by my feelings that we are going to make a trade with the Rams for either their #1 spot or letting them pick Bradford at #1 and us picking whoever they want at #4 and giving them both JC and the #4 draft pick for Bradford. Just my gut feeling.[/quote]

That's not nearly enough to give the Rams. There is a 1200 point difference between the #1 pick and the #4 pick. 1200 points is equal to the 12th pick in the 1st round...there is not a person in the world that would give us any #1 pick for JC let alone the 12th pick.

Even if you assign JC a 2nd round value(which I doubt he's worth) you would still need to kick in at least the skins 2nd round pick.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;675212]Just so you know, and I will have to find the link, but an offer was made to sign Levi Jones, and he said no thank you, he wanted more money, and probably some guarantee which he isn't getting.[/quote]

I didn't know an offer had been made, but it does not surprise me that he turned down an offer of which he was not satisfied with. Maybe he feels he can do better elsewhere. We shall see if there's any other suitors and how much they're willing to offer him.

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[quote=tryfuhl;675226]I think that he meant the full approach so far. I mean we all have our thoughts but until the season culminates we can speculate on and judge the moves and non-moves all that we want. They've constantly said that the plan is over the coming years, maybe they'd rather be the 3rd little piggy.[/quote]

I don't think any move they have made so far sheds any light at all on what thier plan is. They have signed a few backup types. Until we see trades start happening and draft picks made we do not really know what they are doing, so to label it soft is just rediculous.

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[quote=celts32;675246]That's not nearly enough to give the Rams. There is a 1200 point difference between the #1 pick and the #4 pick. 1200 points is equal to the 12th pick in the 1st round...there is not a person in the world that would give us any #1 pick for JC let alone the 12th pick.

Even if you assign JC a 2nd round value(which I doubt he's worth) you would still need to kick in at least the skins 2nd round pick.[/quote]

Maybe. Or maybe the Rams take the lesser value because they get a starting QB but save the #1 pick money.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;675209]Couldn't agree more.

So what if they trade Campbell and the #4 to St Louis? You are still stuck paying out a contract for a #1 overall pick, QB none the less who gets paid more than anyone. Take a look at past #1 overall QB taken, they get TONS of money. And if a franchise if not careful, it could set thier team back as much as 10 years. Case in point:

JaMarcus Russell
Ryan Leaf (ok he was the 2nd pick, but you see what I mean)

The #1 overall pick is scary enough to choose, but on a QB it is magnified ten-fold.[/quote]

By this reasoning, the Colts should never have selected or paid Peyton Manning.

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[quote=SmootSmack;675230]How could you not love this?

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81264567/Pre-WK-4-Rex-Grossman-highlights]NFL Videos: Pre WK 4: Rex Grossman highlights[/url]

Pineapple Jesus , bow down to the Religion of Rex![/quote]

colt = preseason jesus
rex = preseason pharaoh

we shall see

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[quote=Lotus;675256]By this reasoning, the Colts should never have selected or paid Peyton Manning.[/quote]

Not really. (hate to defend a Dallas fan, but)

He was saying making a bad choice with a #1 overall pick on a QB can devastate a franchise for a long time, both on the field and wallet. He is right.

I do not think Bradford or any QB this year is such a sure thing that would merit taking #1 OR especially trading up to take #1. If we would do that, it needs to be a sure deal that he'll be an incredible pro QB (and durable).

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[quote=Mattyk;675241]It's March... you might want to give him a chance.[/quote]


Matty, its March. We're supposed to be the champions of March!!! We're clearly taking a step back! Shanny doesn't know how we do around here....he needs to go!! ;)


I love the patience of Redskins fans. :doh:

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[quote=tryfuhl;675259]colt = preseason jesus
rex = preseason pharaoh

we shall see[/quote]

i dont get it. how is rex pharoah and what did any pharoahs have to do with jesus?

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[quote=Buster;675266]Not really. (hate to defend a Dallas fan, but)

[B]He was saying making a bad choice with a #1 overall pick on a QB can devastate a franchise for a long time, both on the field and wallet.[/B] He is right.

I do not think Bradford or any QB this year is such a sure thing that would merit taking #1 OR especially trading up to take #1. If we would do that, it needs to be a sure deal that he'll be an incredible pro QB (and durable).[/quote]

I don't disagree with that. But there is more to the story. The converse is that if you make a good choice with a #1 QB, you win 12+ games for the next decade (the Colts).

Many people did not think that Peyton Manning was a sure thing, either. Good thing for the Colts that they didn't listen, huh?

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[quote=Buster;675223]We...agree...?
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You're absolutely right.[/quote]
Lol, yeah, I couldn't believe it either until I saw the breaking news that hell froze over today.:food-smil

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[quote=Lotus;675278]I don't disagree with that. But there is more to the story. The converse is that if you make a good choice with a #1 QB, you win 12+ games for the next decade (the Colts).

Many people did not think that Peyton Manning was a sure thing, either. Good thing for the Colts that they didn't listen, huh?[/quote]

If there was ever a year to take a chance on a QB, its not 2010. very weak QB class. most people would agree that Mark Sanchez and Matthew Stafford looked much much much better entering the NFL than either Bradford or Clausen do now.