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[quote=firstdown;656583]Thats a pretty big stretch because he has owned those other homes while he has lived in Mass. He is in the process of buying a home and moving but has not yet done so. My parents own a second home in NC and if they sold their home in Va and while looking for a new home they would not change their living address to NC while looking for a new home. This election would not even been taking place if the dems didn't change the rules when they thought it would help them. Try again.[/quote]

He sold his only MA home in April 2008. A man with the kind of cash he has shouldn't have any trouble scooping up a home or building one in no time. You and I both know what he's doing so let's cut the pretense.

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OOPS! Nice move by an ATTORNEY GENERAL!

[URL="http://bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20091113honest_mistakes_martha_coakley_failed_to_disclose_all_assets/srvc=news&position=also"]‘Honest mistakes’: Martha Coakley failed to disclose all assets - BostonHerald.com[/URL]



Dewey beats Truman all over again!
[url=http://bostonherald.com.nyud.net/news/politics/view/20100119globe_jumps_the_gun_in_online_map_goof/]Globe jumps the gun in online map goof - BostonHerald.com[/url]

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[quote=saden1;656599]He sold his only MA home in April 2008. A man with the kind of cash he has shouldn't have any trouble scooping up a home or building one in no time. You and I both know what he's doing so let's cut the pretense.[/quote]
So you really think he has held out buying a home so he could vote in this election that he did not even know was going to happen until a year after he sold his home? Boy he really wants his one vote to count. Moving from one state to the next requires more then just an address change so most people wait until they know where they are going to live before making that change. If you think he just held off for two years to vote in this election then I'm not going to change your mind but it does not make much sense. Also we can thank the Dems for this special election they wanted so he could cast this important one vote.

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[quote=GMScud;656354]IMO, as a Republican, I'm finding this race in Mass totally hilarious. I don't know if it's because Coakley felt like she was entitled to a Kennedy seat simply because she shares his party, but this campaign has been AWFUL! Alienating Red Sox and Bruins fans, saying Catholics shouldn't work in emergency rooms, Patrick Kennedy doesn't even know Coakley's name, Obama comes in and makes fun of Brown's truck (HELLO? A GM truck with over 200,000 miles- oops!). It's no wonder Rahm and Co won't let him speak off the cuff anymore... I mean, what a shit show. Oh, and don't forget that awkward moment this morning when Coakley tried to relate Dr. King's "dream" to her campaign. I was embarrassed for her. She's got campaign staff that can't even spell the name of the state for God's sake.

Coakley is a fail. Massachusetts hasn't had a Republican senator in 38 years. They will tomorrow. And when the polls close, my must see TV will be MSNBC. It's gonna be hilarious.[/quote]

Is that Olberman's channel? (don't know, I can't stomach liberal news networks) I heard a clip of him on the radio earlier raging and throwing around the "teabagger" namecalling. :D

Chuckie Schumer is namecalling too:
[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/14/schumer-pulls-tea-bagger-card-gop-candidate-brown/]FOXNews.com - Schumer Pulls 'Tea-Bagger' Card on GOP Candidate Brown[/url]

It's going to be so satisfying to see these people defeated.




Just another example of trying to screw with the election by Dems:
[url=http://www.lifenews.com/state4738.html]Phony Calls Tell Massachusetts Residents Pro-Life Group Opposes Scott Brown[/url]

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[quote=Buster;656632]Is that Olberman's channel? (don't know, I can't stomach liberal news networks) I heard a clip of him on the radio earlier raging and throwing around the "teabagger" namecalling. :D

Chuckie Schumer is namecalling too:
[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/14/schumer-pulls-tea-bagger-card-gop-candidate-brown/"]FOXNews.com - Schumer Pulls 'Tea-Bagger' Card on GOP Candidate Brown[/URL]

It's going to be so satisfying to see these people defeated.




Just another example of trying to screw with the election by Dems:
[URL="http://www.lifenews.com/state4738.html"]Phony Calls Tell Massachusetts Residents Pro-Life Group Opposes Scott Brown[/URL][/quote]
I can see how someone forgets they have a 12,000 IRA account but not $200,000 in a savings account.

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[quote=firstdown;656630][B]So you really think he has held out buying a home so he could vote in this election that he did not even know was going to happen until a year after he sold his home[/B]? Boy he really wants his one vote to count. Moving from one state to the next requires more then just an address change so most people wait until they know where they are going to live before making that change. If you think he just held off for two years to vote in this election then I'm not going to change your mind but it does not make much sense. Also we can thank the Dems for this special election they wanted so he could cast this important one vote.[/quote]

Are you serious? I would think it's pretty clear what he did with simple reasoning. What it means is that he sold his house and moved out of MA and when this special election was announced he registered his son's house as his address and thus be able to vote in the special elections.

To put it as plainly as it can get...Mitt Romney does not live in MA.

BTW, I still technically have VA residency and can vote there by simply registering my my friend's address as my address. I of course don't live in VA and haven't lived there for 9 years but if I wanted to I can vote there (note that it is illegal to vote in two different places).

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[quote=saden1;656643]Are you serious? I would think it's pretty clear what he did with simple reasoning. What it means is that he sold his house and moved out of MA and when this special election was announced he registered his son's house as his address and thus be able to vote in the special elections.

To put it as plainly as it can get...Mitt Romney does not live in MA.

BTW, I still technically have VA residency and can vote there by simply registering my my friend's address as my address. I of course don't live in VA and haven't lived there for 9 years but if I wanted to I can vote there (note that it is illegal to vote in two different places).[/quote]
Ok, if that makes you feel better. Funny just last year you liberals where touting how the right was done but now your worried out one person voting. I guess that was short lived. That lasted about as long as a liberal radio talk show.

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I suppose it's a shame that Brown won by a couple Thousand more votes than just 1. If it were one, the Democrats could sue Romney and get the election overturned.

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congrats repubs. This really shows that the economy, can get someone elected and oust those in power. I am referring to both parties here too.

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Great great stuff tonight. Well done Senator Brown. Sayonara 60-40. Can't wait for mid-terms in Nov...

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I actually think this a good thing for the Democrats. All isn't lost for the Democrats and certainly not for Obama's agenda. This is definitely a set back, but not the end. Truth is, they never really had a super majority as witnessed by the struggle with passing healthcare. Now they'll man up and stop chasing that elusive number 60 and get down to business.

The balance is good for the country and the party, actually.

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Losing MA is inexcusable...it's pathetic to see all these Dems point fingers. Man the f'ck up, take your licking and stop whining. I mean, they're acting like they lost congress and there is no hope. I say bring out the iron club and start whacking people in the face if they act a fool and if the GOP decide to fillabuster everything threaten with everything imaginable including doing away with the fillabuster. It's a game of chess not checkers and you still have a huge advantage.

Enjoy this win boys, see you in Nov.

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[quote=firstdown;656662]Ok, if that makes you feel better. Funny just last year you liberals where touting how the right was done but now your worried out one person voting. I guess that was short lived. That lasted about as long as a liberal radio talk show.[/quote]


No one cares about where a failed presidential candidate votes, what we care about is a cheating pot whining about the kettle cheating.

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[quote=12thMan;656849]I actually think this a good thing for the Democrats. All isn't lost for the Democrats and certainly not for Obama's agenda. This is definitely a set back, but not the end. Truth is, they never really had a super majority as witnessed by the struggle with passing healthcare. Now they'll man up and stop chasing that elusive number 60 and get down to business.

The balance is good for the country and the party, actually.[/quote]

Well said.

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Well, hearing Democrats speaking after the election and this morning, they just don't get it. They're blaming the loss on a bad candidate. Bad candidates have a history of success in Massachusetts. Brown won because a LOT of registered Democrats (Dems outnumber Repubs 3.5:1 in MA) wanted to send a message to the President and Congress...stop with the corruption, stop with the bribes and backroom tricks, start with some transparency and START LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE! Brown did not win because he was up against a bad candidate, he won because they don't want the bad Healthcare bill and they're sick of the arrogance. President Obama and Pelosi have been talking about ways to circumvent the system to push the bad bill through regardless of the election. Lets see if they have the egotism to try now. After NJ, VA, now Massachusetts, that's three major elections that the President has tried to influence and failed, likely hurting his candidate's chances in the process.

The fall elections are not going to be pretty for the Democrat party. If they still support the bad bill and dirty tactics, they're good as dead career-wise. Still, their actions and behaviors in the past year may have already sealed their fate.

Funny how a year after the President won on "Change", it was the same campaign used against him that started the dismantling of his party's power, except the opposition has substance in their arguments.

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[quote=saden1;656854]Losing MA is inexcusable...it's pathetic to see all these Dems point fingers. Man the f'ck up, take your licking and stop whining. I mean, they're acting like they lost congress and there is no hope. I say bring out the iron club and start whacking people in the face if they act a fool and if the GOP decide to fillabuster everything threaten with everything imaginable including doing away with the fillabuster. It's a game of chess not checkers and you still have a huge advantage.

Enjoy this win boys, see you in Nov.[/quote]

The GOP won't sink to the lows that the Dems used against President Bush to try to block EVERYTHING.

Also, changing the Senate/House rules to get your way won't go ignored by the voters.

Just face it, 2/3 of Americans do not want this bad bill. Stop trying to force it on us against our will.

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[quote=12thMan;656849]I actually think this a good thing for the Democrats. All isn't lost for the Democrats and certainly not for Obama's agenda. This is definitely a set back, but not the end. [SIZE=4]Truth is, they never really had a super majority as witnessed by the struggle with passing healthcare[/SIZE]. Now they'll man up and stop chasing that elusive number 60 and get down to business.

The balance is good for the country and the party, actually.[/quote]

Really, they had control to pass the bill it was fighting within the party that made passing the bill so tough. The Rep. had nothing to do with dragging this out and did not have the votes to stop the bill.

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[quote=saden1;656854]Losing MA is inexcusable...it's pathetic to see all these Dems point fingers. Man the f'ck up, take your licking and stop whining. I mean, they're acting like they lost congress and there is no hope. I say bring out the iron club and start whacking people in the face if they act a fool and if the GOP decide to fillabuster everything threaten with everything imaginable [SIZE=4]including doing away with the fillabuster[/SIZE]. It's a game of chess not checkers and you still have a huge advantage.

Enjoy this win boys, see you in Nov.[/quote]

Changing the rules mid way is what lead to this election and if they had left things alone in the first place their Dem. chould have appointed someone to replace TK. This is called a major back fire right in their face. I don't think they have the votes to do away with the fillabuster rule.

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Last night our club had our monthly meeting in my garage and after the meeting 3 of the guys stayed to play some darts. We turned on the TV to see what was going on right when they started calling the race. I turned the TV to MSNBC just to watch their coverage and we all got a good laugh at their spin on the win.

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[quote=firstdown;656957]Last night our club had our monthly meeting in my garage and after the meeting 3 of the guys stayed to play some darts. We turned on the TV to see what was going on right when they started calling the race. [B]I turned the TV to MSNBC just to watch their coverage and we all got a good laugh at their spin on the win.[/B][/quote]

Oh for sure. I got several good laughs off of MSNBC last night.

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[quote=GMScud;656962]Oh for sure. I got several good laughs off of MSNBC last night.[/quote]

Missed it... what was the Most Socialist Network BroadCast saying?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;656994]Missed it... what was the Most Socialist Network BroadCast saying?[/quote]

Blaming it on the stupid voters and everyone else but Obama's agenda. Actually one guy (forgot his name) on the show used good common sense and talked about the Obama factor. The guys over my house wondered why I put it on MSNBC but after they started watching and laughing they figured out why.

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Here's my take on last night's election and where we might be headed.

First of all, I'm leaning with [I]some[/I] of my Republican brothers about Coakley as a candidate. A female colleague was trying to write this lost off as a matter of gender bias. She didn't seem to get why people were so up in arms about Coakley confusing Curt Schilling as a Yankee fan. I told her the sports gaffe was totally relevant in this situation and shouldn't be dismissed as some gender bias. It was further confirmation in the minds of voters that Coakley was disconnected; a metaphor for how out of touch she was with the working class voters in Massachusetts. It simply reinforced the narrative that Coakley ran a campaign that operated as if it was privileged from the start and didn't have to invest in the daily grind of shaking hands and asking for votes. The results speak for themselves.

In terms of the larger picture, I think the message is clear but neither party should get too full of themselves. Republicans shouldn't be waiving the checkered flag and Democrats shouldn't be waving the white flag. People aren't as interested in party affliation as they are who's listening to them. And I think for pols to frame this any other way might be a tactical error. I like how Scott Brown is playing his victory from last night. He's come right out and said this isn't a referendum on President Obama. Even if it is, even if many of those voters are pissed at the president right now, it's a savvy move on Brown's part to play it the other way. It will give him more cred when he does have a legitimate gripe with the president's policies. That's the strategy that will work, in my opinion. On a side note, I think Mitt Romney was indirectly the biggest benefactor from last night's upset. If a Republican can win a senate seat held by a Democrat for decades, surely they can carry the state in a national election. Or conventional wisdom would go.

It's going to be uphill for Democrats from here on out; they have to adjust the sails. The winds are blowing in a different direction. Healthcare can still pass, but it's going to have to be scaled down and maybe done in increments. Who the hell knows really. The only saving grace for the party at large and the White House as we/I look forward to 2012, is that nobody is better at retail politics than Barack Obama. Not one Republican, not one Democrat. So when the time comes to campaign again, he's the best in the business. Lot's of work to get done between now and then though.

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I bet Olberman will be raging about "teabaggers" tonight...not that I'll tune in.

If the GOP are "teabaggers", according to him, the President and Democrats just became the "tea-bagees".

Only liberals could take something as pure as a Revolution to get public officials to listen to the people and twist it into perversion like that. :pffff:

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[quote=Buster;657003]I bet Olberman will be raging about "teabaggers" tonight...not that I'll tune in.

If the GOP are "teabaggers", according to him, the President and Democrats just became the "tea-bagees".

Only liberals could take something as pure as a Revolution to get public officials to listen to the people and twist it into perversion like that. :pffff:[/quote]
I heard the teabagger word used more then once last night but I laughed at them so hard last night my side won't take laughing that hard two nights in a row. I bet there is more then a handful of Dems who voted for HC reform who probably glad that he won to bail them out.

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[quote=firstdown;656998]Blaming it on the stupid voters and everyone else but [B]Obama's agenda[/B]. Actually one guy (forgot his name) on the show used good common sense and talked about the Obama factor. The guys over my house wondered why I put it on MSNBC but after they started watching and laughing they figured out why.[/quote]
any chance that the better candidate won? or are the Republicans doing what they had claimed the Dem's have done over the last 8 years, and just blame the sitting President? i know when i vote, i always choose, IMO, the most qualified person

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I think it's just as much about how poor of a candidate Coakley was as it is how more and more registered Dems are tired of this agenda. I've even heard that some Dems are responding to health care bill opposition by saying it just hasn't been explained to the people well enough. Meh. Orrrrrrr, could it be they just don't like the bill? Good old progressives. They suffer from Brian Billick Syndrome. They always know best.

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Here's the polling data.


[url=http://pol.moveon.org/brownpoll/results.html]MoveOn.org Political Action: Democracy in Action[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;657001]Here's my take on last night's election and where we might be headed.

First of all, I'm leaning with [I]some[/I] of my Republican brothers about Coakley as a candidate. A female colleague was trying to write this lost off as a matter of gender bias. She didn't seem to get why people were so up in arms about Coakley confusing Curt Schilling as a Yankee fan. I told her the sports gaffe was totally relevant in this situation and shouldn't be dismissed as some gender bias. It was further confirmation in the minds of voters that Coakley was disconnected; a metaphor for how out of touch she was with the working class voters in Massachusetts. It simply reinforced the narrative that Coakley ran a campaign that operated as if it was privileged from the start and didn't have to invest in the daily grind of shaking hands and asking for votes. The results speak for themselves.

In terms of the larger picture, I think the message is clear but neither party should get too full of themselves. Republicans shouldn't be waiving the checkered flag and Democrats shouldn't be waving the white flag. People aren't as interested in party affliation as they are who's listening to them. And I think for pols to frame this any other way might be a tactical error. I like how Scott Brown is playing his victory from last night. He's come right out and said this isn't a referendum on President Obama. Even if it is, even if many of those voters are pissed at the president right now, it's a savvy move on Brown's part to play it the other way. It will give him more cred when he does have a legitimate gripe with the president's policies. That's the strategy that will work, in my opinion. On a side note, I think Mitt Romney was indirectly the biggest benefactor from last night's upset. If a Republican can win a senate seat held by a Democrat for decades, surely they can carry the state in a national election. Or conventional wisdom would go.

It's going to be uphill for Democrats from here on out; they have to adjust the sails. The winds are blowing in a different direction. Healthcare can still pass, but it's going to have to be scaled down and maybe done in increments. Who the hell knows really. [SIZE=4]The only saving grace for the party at large and the White House as we/I look forward to 2012, is that nobody is better at retail politics than Barack Obama. Not one Republican, not one[/SIZE] Democrat. So when the time comes to campaign again, he's the best in the business. Lot's of work to get done between now and then though.[/quote]

I'd say that true to a point but now that all eye's are on Obama and what he has or has not done it will make it much tougher in 2012. In the past election most people knew very little about him and they also seemed to ignore what little time he had in office and his voting record. He can no longer hide and will now have to answer more questions.

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[quote=12thMan;657021]Here's the polling data.


[URL="http://pol.moveon.org/brownpoll/results.html"]MoveOn.org Political Action: Democracy in Action[/URL][/quote]

I would not use any poll from move on.

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Funny last night I saw an interview with Obama and he actually blamed this in part on Bush. The funny thing was right as the short interview came on I told my wife I bet he blames Bush. Sure enough not one minute into the interview he did.

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[quote=firstdown;657224]Funny last night I saw an interview with Obama and he actually blamed this in part on Bush. The funny thing was right as the short interview came on I told my wife I bet he blames Bush. Sure enough not one minute into the interview he did.[/quote]

I saw that. He said that people are angry and frustrated, and Scott Brown's win "isn't just about the past year, but about the previous 8 years." Really?? Ugh. So out of touch and arrogant. Seems to me that Mass had democratic senators during the Bush Administration. Still pointing fingers at W? That club shouldn't be in his bag anymore. That ship has sailed.

I'd like to see him pare back his agenda (which they are going to have to do with health care), and focus on the economy and job creation (in the private sector). In bi-partisan fashion too, please. Remember, no red America, no blue America, but the United States of America, right?

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I was gonna post this in the Obamacare Thread but it was really paining me to see that thread bumped again.

But I can't seem to figure out points of the healthcare plan that people are against the most. I can understand the public option and the cost of the bill itself. I voted for the guy and I'm no fan of that either. In fact my support for him as a whole is kinda waining, but I digress.

But other than those 2 things, what else do people find ridiculous about the bill? I've searched around but everything is so damn expansive and technical, my poor little college brain can't handle it.

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This should be a wake up call to both parties. After the progressive Bushites took over the Republican party, it destroyed itself. The conservative / libertarians abandoned it in 2006 and again in 2008, or at least I and people I know did. Now the Democrats are doing the same thing. So it should come as no surprise that a Republican, who ran as an [U]independant[/U], won in Mass. Now that we kicked out the gutless Republicans, the lawless Democrats are next. It's a good day for independants, conservatives, and libertarians. These gang-bankster fascist are getting exposed and kicked out. It's too bad we can't imprison them.

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[quote=dmek25;657010][B] i know when i vote, i always choose, IMO, the most qualified person[/B][/quote]

So you voted for McCain then huh?

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[quote=FRPLG;657272]So you voted for McCain then huh?[/quote]

He wrote in mattyk/smootsmack

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[quote=FRPLG;657272]So you voted for McCain then huh?[/quote]

If he's the most qualified it didn't show and it certainly isn't showing right now...facts indeed. Look around the office pal, lots of "most qualified" around and most aren't capable of doing anything remotely on their resume.

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul]Pelosi: House lacks votes to OK Senate health bill - Yahoo! News[/url]

Bummer. :D

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[quote=Mattyk;657276]He wrote in mattyk/smootsmack[/quote]
nope. with all things being equal, Palin was one hiccup from running this country. any one that wouldn't have a problem with that needs their head examined. and Matty, you would have gotten my vote if you would have picked a better running mate:)

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;657259]This should be a wake up call to both parties. After the progressive Bushites took over the Republican party, it destroyed itself. The conservative / libertarians abandoned it in 2006 and again in 2008, or at least I and people I know did. Now the Democrats are doing the same thing. So it should come as no surprise that a Republican, who ran as an [U]independant[/U], won in Mass. Now that we kicked out the gutless Republicans, the lawless Democrats are next. It's a good day for independants, conservatives, and libertarians. These gang-bankster fascist are getting exposed and kicked out. It's too bad we can't imprison them.[/quote]

Good post. I can't believe I just said that.