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[quote=skinsfaninok;616657]WEAK? well sanchez would probably make us atleast a .500 team. Again what are you guys saying? Face the music and admit that JC has set us back along with VC and Zorn[/quote]The hot dog would have helped this disaster more than Sanchez would have.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616633]Its the SAME SHOULDER bro!! Thats ONE injury to the same shoulder... I watch this guy play every game and if you did, you would see why even Peyton Manning is high on him.. I agree with building an oline trust me we need too, but you cant pass on a "Franchise" QB[/quote]


When have you seen a franchise QB put up numbers behind a garbage line???? Never. Flacco, Ryan, McNabb, Manning, Brady all played behind good offensive lines in their first year. Look at Alex Smith...his line sucked..and therefore...so did he. You build the OL first...and then get the QB. What do yall think happened in Minnesota...they had a GOOD line but THEN needed the QB to steer the ship.

WE NEED OL DRAFTED IN EVERY ROUND OF THIS UP COMING DRAFT!!! NO EXCEPTIONS

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616646]No man I didnt say 10 wins, obviously this team is only gonna win 4 games at best this yr.. It's alot harder to find a Franchise QB than it is to find a DECENT OLINE.. Even the guys said tonight that many sacks are Campbell's fault.[/quote]My point is that gambling on drafting a franchise QB is a crapshoot. We crapped out with Shuler at #3 overall. We traded up to get Campbell and that isn't working. Gibbs won Super Bowls with less than dominant QBs. Theismann was the best of the bunch, but he wasn't Manning or Brady by any stretch. I've always believed that building a dominant line will allow whomever we have at the skill positions become playmakers.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616657]WEAK? well sanchez would probably make us atleast a .500 team. Again what are you guys saying? Face the music and admit that JC has set us back along with VC and Zorn[/quote]

Sanchez has pretty much and all pro line in front of him. He would have died here.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616650]So tell me what would you do? Keep a Bum is JC or draft a guy who has atleast more potential than Campbell. He's 28 yrs old and will never be a starter again. I understand about the oline but at some point you need a playmaking qb. A. Rodgers gets sacked more than anyone but yet he still puts up big numbers.[/quote]

I would keep this bum as a back up, pick up an experience free agent and draft a good prospect in the 4th or 5th round. But I would hope that Snyder would hire a GM and let him figure this out.

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Vinny, I mean skinsfaninok,
Drafting a so-called franchise QB before rebuilding this O-line is like hiring an Offensive coordinator before hiring your head coach. Or as Boomer put it in the ESPN pre-game when referring to our FO, "ready, shoot, aim."
We do things so wrong it is embarrassing.
Fire Vinny Danny.

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You guys are too funny

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616665][IMG]file:///C:/Users/Heathers/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/IMG]
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10/10 rebuttal

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What happened to Colt Brennan? He is already washed up too huh.

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[quote=Green1;616668]What happened to Colt Brennan? He is already washed up too huh.[/quote]
something called Injured Reserve

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[quote=tryfuhl;616667]10/10 rebuttal[/quote]LMFAO :laughing2

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616665]You guys are too funny[/quote]

Here you go, this is what Bradford or any rook QB will look like with our offensive line...

[IMG]http://www.blitzcorner.com/uploads/medium/medium_Sam_Bradford_Injury_Update.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=tryfuhl;616669]something called Injured Reserve[/quote]

He'll be back next season, so why all of the Bradford talk? Change an injured QB that knows the O or an injured rookie.

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[quote=Ruhskins;616672]Here you go, this is what Bradford or any rook QB will look like with our offensive line...

[IMG]http://www.blitzcorner.com/uploads/medium/medium_Sam_Bradford_Injury_Update.jpg[/IMG][/quote]


Aaron Rodgers does just fine with their HORRIBLE LINE.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;616661]Sanchez has pretty much and all pro line in front of him. He would have died here.[/quote]

he also managed to lose a game for his team in which Thomas Jones had 200+ yards rushing....

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[quote=Green1;616675]He'll be back next season, so why all of the Bradford talk? Change an injured QB that knows the O or an injured rookie.[/quote]
You definitely cannot consider naming him your starting QB next year. I'm not saying that he's no good, but nobody has seen enough out of him to make that call.

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[quote=tryfuhl;616680]You definitely cannot consider naming him your starting QB next year. I'm not saying that he's no good, but nobody has seen enough out of him to make that call.[/quote]

God I would rather have JC than Colt... Now thats a DUMB move if that were to happen..

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[quote=GreekSkin;616679]he also managed to lose a game for his team in which Thomas Jones had 200+ yards rushing....[/quote]The Jets have had back to back 300 yard rushing games. Give JC Sanchez's O-line and he'd be getting the ball to his playmakers with greater regularity. Thomas Jones is a stud again, but it all starts with the O-line.

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[quote=SouperMeister;616684]The Jets have had back to back 300 yard rushing games. Give JC Sanchez's O-line and he'd be getting the ball to his playmakers with greater regularity. Thomas Jones is a stud again, but it all starts with the O-line.[/quote]

So JC's overall record is all because of the OLINE? When gibbs was here our line was pretty good and yet he still sucked.. again if JC was that good then denver would have taken him over Orton.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616677]Aaron Rodgers does just fine with their HORRIBLE LINE.[/quote]

Aaron Rodgers has been in the league for a few years, he's not a rook QB; name me a rookie QB that has won with a mediocre offensive line, an aging RB, and a bend-but-don't-break defense.

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[quote=Ruhskins;616690]Aaron Rodgers has been in the league for a few years, he's not a rook QB; name me a rookie QB that has won with a mediocre offensive line, an aging RB, and a bend-but-don't-break defense.[/quote]

Perfect example is not Matthew Stafford, look where is now hurt. Therefore building a line is the most important thing to do.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616688]So JC's overall record is all because of the OLINE? When gibbs was here our line was pretty good and yet he still sucked.. again if JC was that good then denver would have taken him over Orton.[/quote]

No one is defending JC you moron, we're just saying that this team issues go beyond him and replacing just him are not going to fix it. Your beloved Bradford with our current o-line will not work. We need to draft a stud o-lineman and a get a good FA guard or center. And then worry about the QB.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616688]So JC's overall record is all because of the OLINE? When gibbs was here our line was pretty good and yet he still sucked.. again if JC was that good then denver would have taken him over Orton.[/quote]I admitted earlier tonight that my days as a JC apologist are over. He lost me on the checkdown when he had Moss for a pump and go TD. Casserly said as much in his film analysis that JC checks down far too often. That said, I don't see many successful QBs with shitty O-lines. Aaron Rogers is an exception, and he has had the benefit of 5 years in the same system, with stud playmakers in the passing game (Jennings, Driver, and newbie Jermichael Finley, etc.).

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[quote=SouperMeister;616696]I admitted earlier tonight that my days as a JC apologist are over. He lost me on the checkdown when he had Moss for a pump and go TD. Casserly said as much in his film analysis that JC checks down far too often. That said, I don't see many successful QBs with shitty O-lines. Aaron Rogers is an exception, and he has had the benefit of 5 years in the same system, with stud playmakers in the passing game (Jennings, Driver, and newbie Jermichael Finley, etc.).[/quote]

I agree totally about rogers, but BIG BEN gets sacked alot too, But your right about JC, i gave up on him after last season and it's time for him to go. The oline sux but damn JC is not a smart qb. He wasn't even good in college, he got carried by Cadillac and Ronnie Brown

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616688]So JC's overall record is all because of the OLINE? When gibbs was here our line was pretty good and yet he still sucked.. again if JC was that good then denver would have taken him over Orton.[/quote]

The oline had been very below average for a very very very long time.

Look up some of my new thread posts about the oline when Jansen and Samuels were so called book ends four or five years ago. They were just average then and we collectively thought we had real great players!

The oline is the biggest problem on the team. It needs an intervention. Period.

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[quote=Ruhskins;616695]No one is defending JC you moron, we're just saying that this team issues go beyond him and replacing just him are not going to fix it. Your beloved Bradford with our current o-line will not work. We need to draft a stud o-lineman and a get a good FA guard or center. And then worry about the QB.[/quote]

You can get a decent olineman in the 2nd rd.. Chris Samuel's dont walk through the door everyday he was a SURE pick. The Falcons oline sucked but when they drafted Ryan everything "suddenly" got better. Basically we will rebulid the entire offense next season..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616699]I agree totally about rogers, but BIG BEN gets sacked alot too, But your right about JC, i gave up on him after last season and it's time for him to go. The oline sux but damn JC is not a smart qb. He wasn't even good in college, he got carried by Cadillac and Ronnie Brown[/quote]

BIG BEN is Pro Bowler QB with an elite defense, elite receivers and a strong running game. Are you now saying that Bradford will be like Big Ben? :doh:

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[quote=wilsowilso;616700]The oline had been very below average for a very very very long time.

Look up some of my new thread posts about the oline when Jansen and Samuels were so called book ends four or five years ago. They were just average then and we collectively thought we had real great players!

The oline is the biggest problem on the team. It needs an intervention. Period.[/quote]

First off Chris Samuels was never avg. 6 pro Bowls buddy! And Jansen was very good for a number of yrs. It goes back to OLINE DEPTH and QB play and our 11 games under .500 for the decade is because of the QB position it's that simple

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[quote=SouperMeister;616696]I admitted earlier tonight that my days as a JC apologist are over. He lost me on the checkdown when he had Moss for a pump and go TD. Casserly said as much in his film analysis that JC checks down far too often. That said, I don't see many successful QBs with shitty O-lines. Aaron Rogers is an exception, and he has had the benefit of 5 years in the same system, with stud playmakers in the passing game (Jennings, Driver, and newbie Jermichael Finley, etc.).[/quote]And it's not like Aaron Rodgers is a successful QB. At least not if you hold him to the same standard as Campbell.

He has better numbers this year and does a lot of stuff very well. But like Campbell, he isn't the whole package, and I don't think he'll ever be.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616705]You can get a decent olineman in the 2nd rd.. Chris Samuel's dont walk through the door everyday he was a SURE pick. The Falcons oline sucked but when they drafted Ryan everything "suddenly" got better. Basically we will rebulid the entire offense next season..[/quote]

Yeah but in your opinion to rebuild the whole offense means taking a QB in the first round while IMO and others it's taking an Lineman in the first round and a QB later.

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[quote=Ruhskins;616706]BIG BEN is Pro Bowler QB with an elite defense, elite receivers and a strong running game. Are you now saying that Bradford will be like Big Ben? :doh:[/quote]

LOL no I'm not saying he's BIG BEN!! Hell he could be RYAN LEAF (ALTHOUGH THAT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY) but shit you can't pass on that guy. And actually our D is just as good as PITTS this yr..

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I think it's safe to say that the Chargers would have been wise to pass on Ryan Leaf.

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[quote=Ruhskins;616690]Aaron Rodgers has been in the league for a few years, he's not a rook QB; name me a rookie QB that has won with a mediocre offensive line, an aging RB, and a bend-but-don't-break defense.[/quote]
so nobody could do better than campbell at this point? or it's just not worth risking?

what do we offer campbell.. what if he chose not to take it?

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[quote=GreekSkin;616716]Yeah but in your opinion to rebuild the whole offense means taking a QB in the first round while IMO and others it's taking an Lineman in the first round and a QB later.[/quote]


Hey either way we need a NEW QB and NEW OLINE asap or else that great D will get old very fast..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616705]You can get a decent olineman in the 2nd rd.. [B]Chris Samuel's dont walk through the door everyday he was a SURE pick[/B]. The Falcons oline sucked but when they drafted Ryan everything "suddenly" got better. Basically we will rebulid the entire offense next season..[/quote]

D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Jake Long
Levi Brown
Ryan Clady
Jeff Otah

All very good first round pick ups for their teams...even Atlanta picked up Sam Baker the same year they picked up Ryan.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616718]LOL no I'm not saying he's BIG BEN!! Hell he could be RYAN LEAF (ALTHOUGH THAT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY) but shit you can't pass on that guy. And actually our D is just as good as PITTS this yr..[/quote]


So you cant pass on a guy that may be like Ryan Leaf :confused:

Ryan Leaf looked highly unlikely to be Ryan Leaf, if you know what I mean. Our more pressing need is the OL because anyone that comes in will get murdered if that isnt fixed.

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[quote=tryfuhl;616721]so nobody could do better than campbell at this point? or it's just not worth risking?

what do we offer campbell.. what if he chose not to take it?[/quote]

wtf is this guy talking about? LOL

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616722]Hey either way we need a NEW QB and NEW OLINE asap or else that great D will get old very fast..[/quote]

We can do both, we just need more picks.

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[quote=tryfuhl;616721]so nobody could do better than campbell at this point? or it's just not worth risking?

what do we offer campbell.. what if he chose not to take it?[/quote]

We're not talking about this season, this whole discussion about next season. This season is down the drain.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616705]You can get a decent olineman in the 2nd rd.. Chris Samuel's dont walk through the door everyday he was a SURE pick. The Falcons oline sucked but when they drafted Ryan everything "suddenly" got better. Basically we will rebulid the entire offense next season..[/quote]And we will be in position to draft the next sure thing at O-line. There is no such thing as a sure thing at QB, even drafting in the Top 5. And BTW, the Falcons addressed O-line in both the draft and FA the year they drafted Ryan.