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[quote=SFREDSKIN;616494]Carter, Fletcher, McIntosh and Haynesworth had great games also. I was referring to our young guys. LIke I said build the line, get another RB and even with a QB like Thigpen, Rosenfelds or Kolb this team could make a quick resurgence.[/quote]

Thigpen LOL. Maybe Kolb because he knows the offense. Mason or let Rock start shit something.

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[quote=skins89moss;616715]Golston isnt young? Whats his age and how long has been in the NFL? Golston is young off the top of my head i think Goltson can not be older than 26yrs old. He is a keeper on the D-Line.[/quote]

per wiki he's 26

Going to the skins website would be too depressing right now

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[quote=pg86;616710]What do u guys think of sherm callin those plays?[/quote]
I didn't view it as a problem. I always hate the quick dumps and draws and stuff on 3rd and long just hoping for something though.

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[quote=Green1;616733]Thigpen LOL. Maybe Kolb because he knows the offense. Mason or let Rock start shit something.[/quote]

Before you LOL at Thigpen, look at the Chiefs did last year with Thigpen after the 6th/7th game. They were in every game except for one and he was great and kept them in games. Cassell is a step back in comparision this year. Thigpen was traded to Miami. He's my sleeper pick.

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[quote=skins89moss;616715]Golston isnt young? Whats his age and how long has been in the NFL? Golston is young off the top of my head i think Goltson can not be older than 26yrs old. He is a keeper on the D-Line.[/quote]
yeah he's 26, we got him in 2006

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[quote=skins89moss;616729]I agree we need Levi Jones to play LT and move Heyer back to RT. Move Mike Williams to RG and Rabach is soon to be gone next. Who do we have on the Roster better than him now is the Question? Rabach is a backup center now at this stage in his career.[/quote]
I say you start giving Edwin Williams snaps in practice.

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[quote=pg86;616710]What do u guys think of sherm callin those plays?[/quote]

His play calling was fine its the bone head players making critical mistakes in the game. ARE fumble punt, JC fumble and INT, false starts,face masks etc...

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[quote=GreekSkin;616735]per wiki he's 26

Going to the skins website would be too depressing right now[/quote]

I was responding to some other fan that say Golstson was not young. 27 is still young.

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[quote=tryfuhl;616747]I say you start giving Edwin Williams snaps in practice.[/quote]

I agree if he can play better than Rabach. We could move Will Montgomery
to center but he has not showed to much.

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[quote=skins89moss;616754]I was responding to some other fan that say Golstson was not young. 27 is still young.[/quote]

yeah I know I was just confirming what you said

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Purge. Get rid of almost everyone. Uncapped year could be Snyder's saving grace. Build a team time.

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The Defense played well except for the busted 3rd and 23 that lead to Jackson beating Redskins secondary. Also the wr reverse to Jackson when Andre Carter did not keep containment. The D-line palyed the run well and put pressure on McNabb. AH is a force and he is playing not what the score is.

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[quote=Luxorreb;616761]Purge. Get rid of almost everyone. Uncapped year could be Snyder's saving grace. Build a team time.[/quote]

Ok that statement is just ridiculas because you can not just get rid of everyone. I know you have something beter than that Luxorreb.

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[quote=skins89moss;616765]Ok that statement is just ridiculas because you can not just get rid of everyone. I know you have something beter than that Luxorreb.[/quote]
This is probably more booze talkin...But I would hold onto Moss and Portis as well as Thomas and Kelly and davis

Cooley is under contract right?

Get Colt throwing to these guys am I the only skins fan eager to see what this kid can do!?

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I was at the game. The fault wasn't all Zorn or Smith. It was total breakdown. Rogers, Landry, Randle El, Portis, Sellers, etc. Total team loss here. Including coaches. DeSean Jackson wide open almost all game. Clean house now. It's time. No offensive line, no DE's terrible WR's, mediocre HB, etc, etc. Wnat more skins89moss?

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No DE's? Chris Wilson and Andre Carter looked pretty damn good.

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My point is the problem is larger than Zorn. Larger than Campbell. It's total team problem. Coaches to players and ofcourse it all starts at the top...

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oh yeah I completely agree but I do believe we have some (key word some) talent to hold onto we need a real GM more than anything.

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I don't know that I saw Devin Thomas do anything extraordinarily more special today than in other games. The difference this time was that the ball was thrown in his direction on some key plays and he was able to contribute. Similarly, I realize that Cooley's injury opened up the opportunity for Fred Davis. But in the past, Cooley goes down or is out of the game whatever and those touches are usually going to someone like Betts.

It was nice to see both Thomas and Davis be a part of the offense tonight, a significant part. Sherm Lewis called the passing game today...so kudos to him for doing what Zorn hasn't consistently been able to do.

We really should activate Andre Woodson though, Campbell is one bad hit away from joining Cooley, Samuels, and Randy Thomas on the bench

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[quote=SmootSmack;616784]I don't know that I saw Devin Thomas do anything extraordinarily more special today than in other games. The difference this time was that the ball was thrown in his direction on some key plays and he was able to contribute. Similarly, I realize that Cooley's injury opened up the opportunity for Fred Davis. But in the past, Cooley goes down or is out of the game whatever and those touches are usually going to someone like Betts.

It was nice to see both Thomas and Davis be a part of the offense tonight, a significant part. Sherm Lewis called the passing game today...so kudos to him for doing what Zorn hasn't consistently been able to do.

We really should activate Andre Woodson though, Campbell is one bad hit away from joining Cooley, Samuels, and Randy Thomas on the bench[/quote]

Yep -- that certainly can have something to do with it. Zorn did say he ran most of Thomas' routes to open up other parts of the field, but JC still could hit the guy even if he's not the focus.

So Lewis called the passing game, Smith called the running game, and Zorn called the "hurry up" .. what a crazy way to do things.. wonder how Vinny and Danny take that

And yeah, Campbell's obviously playing hurt and whether he's with us or not next year we can't disregard that fact, or shouldn't at least.

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Anybody heard a reason on why we went end zone instead of FG on that one drive?

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[quote=SmootSmack;616784]I don't know that I saw Devin Thomas do anything extraordinarily more special today than in other games. The difference this time was that the ball was thrown in his direction on some key plays and he was able to contribute. Similarly, I realize that Cooley's injury opened up the opportunity for Fred Davis. But in the past, Cooley goes down or is out of the game whatever and those touches are usually going to someone like Betts.

It was nice to see both Thomas and Davis be a part of the offense tonight, a significant part. Sherm Lewis called the passing game today...so kudos to him for doing what Zorn hasn't consistently been able to do.

We really should activate Andre Woodson though, Campbell is one bad hit away from joining Cooley, Samuels, and Randy Thomas on the bench[/quote]


Yeah I guess the positive wasnt so much Devin but actually getting the ball to Devin.

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[quote=GreekSkin;616789]Yeah I guess the positive wasnt so much Devin but actually getting the ball to Devin.[/quote]
Which means if he's not doing anything particularly better then he should've been getting the ball a lot more before now.

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[quote=tryfuhl;616786]Yep -- that certainly can have something to do with it. Zorn did say he ran most of Thomas' routes to open up other parts of the field, but JC still could hit the guy even if he's not the focus.

[B]So Lewis called the passing game, Smith called the running game, and Zorn called the "hurry up" .. what a crazy way to do things.. wonder how Vinny and Danny take that [/B]

And yeah, Campbell's obviously playing hurt and whether he's with us or not next year we can't disregard that fact, or shouldn't at least.[/quote]

Reminds me of 8:24 in this clip from Small Time Crooks

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h95GXaKJ7q0&feature=related]YouTube - Small Time Crooks 2 (Drobne cwaniaczki 2)[/ame]

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Ahahahahhaha, good analogy.

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[quote=tryfuhl;616787]Anybody heard a reason on why we went end zone instead of FG on that one drive?[/quote]

or who made the decision? I think that is an easy second guess. But had we been able to ... ... ... EXECUTE a simple snap, Gruden made it sound like a TD waiting to happen.

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The whole D played well...minus 2 plays.

eliminate the turnovers and the Skins are right there.

I actually was excited for one of the first times all season at 17-7 until the worst PR in redskins history took a ball off the dome.

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Hopefully that game ended ARE's punt returning days. They should have ended long ago.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;616809]or who made the decision? I think that is an easy second guess. But had we been able to ... ... ... EXECUTE a simple snap, Gruden made it sound like a TD waiting to happen.[/quote]
Well it was the same play as the TD to Thomas earlier and Thomas was once again open. I'm guessing that Zorn made the call to go for it and I'm not sure whether he made that play call or Lewis.. as hesitant as Zorn has been with running successful plays more than once a game, I'd probably say Lewis.. but who knows.

I mean you wanna put the TD on, but we were down 17 and I'll take the guaranteed 3.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;616813]Hopefully that game ended ARE's punt returning days. They should have ended long ago.[/quote]
They put him back once more after Moss and Hall got a shot right? Well I guess Hall didn't really get a shot but yeah.

Speaking of Moss how scared is that guy to get hit? At least he slides better than JC. The second someone gets hands near him he tucks in and goes down.

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Well you have to be smart out there when you have 300 pound players looking to take you out. Moss is no fool why take a hit if you can get down and protect the ball. You leave to make another play.

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Several of the youngsters did fare well at times last night, but there were so many plays left on the field due to the ineffectiveness of the OL. There were plays that would have gone for big gains had Campbell been able to get the ball off. This team can accomplish some things once the line is improved.

I thought Fred Davis demonstrated he could get into patterns and catch the ball, but still has work to do on his blocking. Time now to get Marco and some of the other young players some reps.

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My positives...

[B]Davis- [/B]I think him being forced to get more catches helped. JC had to look elsewhere.
[B]Thomas-[/B]I still think he can shine.
[B]ARE- [/B]If used properly. Although getting old.
[B]Betts/Rock-[/B] I can't believe I'm saying this. They actually played better then Sellers/Portis. Betts picked up the blocks and Rock hit the holes hard and fast.
[B]D-Line-[/B] Held their own. Looked good. AH, Carter, Orakpo, Golston(sp).

Personally, I would play all the young O-lineman at this point to get them playing time and to see what they have playing against starters. Use the older guys as backups for breathers. I would start the Betts/Rock combo for the rest of the season. Use Portis sparingly or put him on injured reserve and use the new RB/FB we picked up. I would find a way to start Kelly, Thomas, and Mitchell and sit Moss or ARE, time to force JC to go to other receivers and let the young guys get their experience they need. Only use Davis for passing routes, hell even Gruden figured out Davis can't block. Time to start Tryon, Westbrook, and all the other young CB's to get them experience and see if they can play with the best.

I'd cut all the older often injured players and bring in youth at the end of the season. Tell them they practice hard, they get to play. They play preseason or they are cut.

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Yeah there were some positives, this team is not without talent. I think they just lack direction and focus, mostly on offense. A quality OL would work wonders too. I think Gruden had to have been thinking last night, "yeah I can work with this bunch".

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how exactly does Davis' complete and total inability to block take away from his performance? I am very happy to see him do well, but he is such a liability in pass protection that I'm not sure we can afford to have him on the field.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;616879]how exactly does Davis' complete and total inability to block take away from his performance? I am very happy to see him do well, but he is such a liability in pass protection that I'm not sure we can afford to have him on the field.[/quote]

Cooley isn't a great blocker either but yeah Davis is worse. Still, that's up to the coaches to be aware of that and not leave him alone on a guy like Trent Cole who eats up TE's one on one.

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[quote=Mattyk72;616873]Yeah there were some positives, this team is not without talent. I think they just lack direction and focus, mostly on offense. A quality OL would work wonders too. I think Gruden had to have been thinking last night, "yeah I can work with this bunch".[/quote]

I was going to make that point too. Gruden said several times that this team has talent.

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What I never understood. Cooley is a "Receiving TE" not a "Blocking TE". Then we go out and pick up another TE with the same abilities. I understand the whole "Best player available" thing but if we were in the market for another TE, it would have been prudent to have picked up a "Blocking TE". I'm not putting down Davis, with at little work he will be probably just as good as Cooley.

I think the coach's are having trouble using the players talent to their benifit. Maybe I'm wrong, but don't call plays that won't work with the talent you have. Shit can the call and move on to plays that do work best with the talent you have. I like what I saw in Betts being the lead blocker and Rock running the ball behind him (I can't believe I'm saying it again) but we saw only a few plays of that. Mostly single back system with Portis, or I-formation with Sellers blocking. We did better with Betts and Rock.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;616513]One positive, we can still sweep Dallas![/quote]

eff yeah :food-smil

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[quote=Mattyk72;616873]Yeah there were some positives, this team is not without talent. I think they just lack direction and focus, mostly on offense. A quality OL would work wonders too. I think Gruden had to have been thinking last night, "yeah I can work with this bunch".[/quote]

I thought that myself. He was very political and I was watching for him to be so before the game started.

It's not like he'd have to remake the whole team. The defense is set for the most part. SS only needs to get rid of El.

All he has to do is fix the offense. All the offense really needs is lineman and a kick in the ass. He'll have to cut out some of the cancer too.

I want B-Mitch for attitude coach.