Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;613719]There's certainly tons of scrunity pointed toward the Skins front office. I think that is a great thing but I hope it doesn't go in vain.

At the end of the season, Snyder could end up hiring a some no name GM who can be easily be influenced by advancement and money and he'd get to wipe the slate clean and have his influence back again.

I hope the stress for Skins fans this offseason is to have Snyder get a known commidity as GM in front office.[/quote]

I wouldn't mind a no name GM if he was from a trusted and respected front office that knows what the hell it's been doing for the last ten years, i.e. Pats, Steelers, Ravens, etc. Also one who could show Snyder upfront to let him run the show but also make Snyder feel like he's important, kinda like what Jimmy Johnson said.

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

[quote=mooby;613754]I wouldn't mind a no name GM if he was from a trusted and respected front office that knows what the hell it's been doing for the last ten years, i.e. Pats, Steelers, Ravens, etc. Also one who could show Snyder upfront to let him run the show but also make Snyder feel like he's important, kinda like what Jimmy Johnson said.[/quote]

Eric DeCosta current director of player personnel from the Ravens, started his NFL career as an intern with the Redskins in 1995 (pre-Snyder). He's supposed to be a hot up and coming candidate for a GM position. Another player personnel guy is Brian Gaine (current assistant director of player personnel for the Dolphins). He's also supposed to be a hot gun with previous experience with the Cowboys before going to Miami w/ Jeff Ireland.

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

[quote=SmootSmack;613720]It's one thing to be patient, it's another to just let a mess continue. Keeping Zorn (and Vinny) around much longer is just letting a mess continue.

[B]Additionally, I think if Snyder had less patience either Williams or Fassel would be our head coach but instead he put it in VC's hands to go through a process and be the one to select our head coach. [/B]This process it turns out included vindictiveness and has turned rather disastrous for us.[/quote]

Wait SS I thought Snyder and Williams didn't get along, and when it became clear (after like 4 interviews) they couldn't work together then came the search for a different HC? I mean the way you phrased it here sort of sounds like Snyder might have gone w/ Williams if Cerrato's involvement had been less or different?

...not knowing much about Snyder prior to his ownership, do you have any intuition how a "media" guy can be so clueless about shaping an image? I mean whatever reputation he had is sinking like lead...and the stunts w/ Zorn over the last couple weeks only worsen the image, right? How does the dude not see what everyone else in football sees?

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

[quote=mooby;613754]I wouldn't mind a no name GM if he was from a trusted and respected front office that knows what the hell it's been doing for the last ten years, i.e. Pats, Steelers, Ravens, etc. Also one who could show Snyder upfront to let him run the show but also make Snyder feel like he's important, kinda like what Jimmy Johnson said.[/quote]

What I meant was a no name GM essentially from one of Snyder's business branches. You know he has tons of executives that he'd love to give a job to in order to keep his over sight on the team.

Jimmy Johnson's comment was pretty much a joke because he said you'd have to find a ficitious 'magic man' that would be able to run the show and make Snyder feel involoved...basically saying that's impossible.

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

Steve Largent said what need to be said...and its all the truth.

The most telling thing about his whole statement was the fact that Vinny and Danny actually pulled out Zorn's contract and said you have to do whatever the owner says.....that is insane, and if it isn't meddling I don't know what is. Dan Snyder might legitamately be mentally ill, im dead serious. We might have a ceritified nutjob running our Skins.

I still can't get over the fact that a guy who has been out of the league for 5 years and with the team for 2 weeks is actually calling our plays and the head coach has no power to stop it....complete laughing stock. I am embarassed for the Skins.

and to all the people who say our O can't get worse with Lewis calling the plays....oh yes it can and it will, MNF is going to be ugly. I seriously will not be surprised in JZ quits at halftime.

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;613765] I seriously will not be surprised in JZ quits at halftime.[/quote]

Now that would be AWESOME!!

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

After reading this, a part of me almost wants to see Philly embarrass us Monday night. Zorn is gone, even if he by some miracle gets us to 8-8. We need a historically bad season to get Snyder to see that his blueprint for building a winner is an utter failure. I believe that only a 3 or 4 win season will force Snyder to fire Cerrato and consider giving control to a top flight GM.

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

Snyder tries his best to be the next best thing to Jimmy Jones and Marty Schot, but without the knowledge of the game and faith in personnel.

This is another GRAND example of how thinking and managing short-term will get NO long term results. (ie Hiring Gibbs to fill seats).


- "So good, I'm the best....That's why I'm OPTIMAL".

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

Am I the only one that has had this idea.......? Since Snyder likes to make headlines and throw his money around by hiring "big names", why doesn't he spend some money to bring Bill Cowher out of retirement?

That old school, hard-nosed, run-centric, disciplined style of football is exactly what is needed for the NFC East.

I bet Cowher would only come if he had control and had a REAL support stem around him (from Owner to GM).

HIRE BILL COWHER!!!


- "So good, I'm the best....That's why I'm OPTIMAL".

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

[quote=OptimalOne;613771]Am I the only one that has had this idea.......? Since Snyder likes to make headlines and throw his money around by hiring "big names", why doesn't he spend some money to bring Bill Cowher out of retirement?

That old school, hard-nosed, run-centric, disciplined style of football is exactly what is needed for the NFC East.

I bet Cowher would only come if he had control and had a REAL support stem around him (from Owner to GM).

HIRE BILL COWHER!!!


- "So good, I'm the best....That's why I'm OPTIMAL".[/quote]

Bro, Cowher ain't the answer. Gruden ain't the answer. This is all about Vinny and Snyder. I promise you, unless Snyder get's rid of Vinny it won't matter who we bring here.

Think about it, we've had 6 coaches in 11 years!

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

I love that Largent told more of the story. Knowing Cerrato and Snyder pulled out the contract language on Zorn is simply ridiculous. No respect for them and their dealings. As 12thMan states things will never change as long as we have Cerrato in DC. He must go.

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;613759]Eric DeCosta current director of player personnel from the Ravens, started his NFL career as an intern with the Redskins in 1995 (pre-Snyder). He's supposed to be a hot up and coming candidate for a GM position. Another player personnel guy is Brian Gaine (current assistant director of player personnel for the Dolphins). He's also supposed to be a hot gun with previous experience with the Cowboys before going to Miami w/ Jeff Ireland.[/quote]

Keep an eye also on Jimmy Raye III with the Chargers (son of former Redskins assistant coach Jimmy Raye), and Lionel Vital with the Falcons (former Redskin player). Those are two other up and comers

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

[quote=The Goat;613761]Wait SS I thought Snyder and Williams didn't get along, and when it became clear (after like 4 interviews) they couldn't work together then came the search for a different HC? I mean the way you phrased it here sort of sounds like Snyder might have gone w/ Williams if Cerrato's involvement had been less or different?[/quote]

Yeah there's no question in my mind if Cerrato wasn't there or wasn't given so much authority then Williams may have been our HC, and if not him then definitely Fassel. I mean I don't think Snyder and Williams are great friends or anything but they could have worked together. Cerrato was the issue for Williams (and Williams for Cerrato), ditto with Fassel. And Snyder took Cerrato's side.

[quote]...not knowing much about Snyder prior to his ownership, do you have any intuition how a "media" guy can be so clueless about shaping an image? I mean whatever reputation he had is sinking like lead...and the stunts w/ Zorn over the last couple weeks only worsen the image, right? How does the dude not see what everyone else in football sees?[/quote]

I don't think he's naive to what's going on, and I expect he'll make serious changes this off-season

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

[quote=SmootSmack;613549]I don't think it was either. And Zorn's best friend coming to his defense I don't think is going to have much of an impact on Snyder. I mean what else should Largent say?[/quote]

Just consider that Zorn's best friend is a former congressman & a CEO of a company. He's a guy that has been in the public eye & knows how & when to speak. He might be outspoken, even so, the politically wise thing to do is typically bite your tongue. Yet, he's willing to put his name behind his statements.

If nothing else, that to me says something about the current climate at Redskin Park. Even George Michael has spoken up (though he only spoke poorly of Vinny's relationship building or lack thereof). I'm just waiting for the next revealing interview, maybe an ex employee or somebody that knows a lot. Wait till we play the Saints, wonder if GW will speak up then?

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

[quote=OptimalOne;613771][B]Am I the only one that has had this idea.......?[/B] Since Snyder likes to make headlines and throw his money around by hiring "big names", why doesn't he spend some money to bring Bill Cowher out of retirement?

That old school, hard-nosed, run-centric, disciplined style of football is exactly what is needed for the NFC East.

I bet Cowher would only come if he had control and had a REAL support stem around him (from Owner to GM).

HIRE BILL COWHER!!!


- "So good, I'm the best....That's why I'm OPTIMAL".[/quote]

NO, see threads from Jan. 2008 on

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

I really doubt Cowher would come here. Pat Kirwan on NFL radio yesterday said he thinks Cowher is going to be really picky and will be looking for a Pittsburgh-like situation to fall into. Meaning, wacked out unstable teams like the Skins and Cowboys are out of the picture.

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

[quote=SmootSmack;613549]I don't think it was either. And Zorn's best friend coming to his defense I don't think is going to have much of an impact on Snyder. I mean what else should Largent say?[/quote]

I'm not defending Danny Boy, we all know he has run this team wrong and most likely he does now. Hopefully. If DS was the main culprit for this yrs debacle then fine say what you will, but it's not just him.

Snyder for picking up Cerrato and staying with him too long.

Cerrato for not building in the trenches first.

Gibbs for bailing on the team like he did in Gibbs1.

Zorn for not getting experienced NFL Asst. that could help him. Letting players run the show. Sending in the wrong play at the wrong time. Sending in the wrong play with the wrong personel.

Maybe Largent would like to expound on the last item on my list. Perhaps he would like to comment on the defensive co-ordinators across the NFL that have commented about Zorn play calling being horrific or maybe just shut up unless he can fix this anemic offense.

I don't think anybody is blaming Zorn all by himself but he sure is part of the equasion. Maybe if he "Exicuted" his scheme better.

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

Hmmm, also this coming from a former player who although had decent personal stats, played on a team that sucked for the most part until Holmgren came along.

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

Thsi may be our only solution:

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Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

[quote=Longtimefan;613576]It's only natural for Largent to come to the aid of his long time friend and teammate. I wouldn't expect him to say anything different.[/quote]

Exactly, it's a non-story.

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

[quote=Buster;613853]Exactly, it's a non-story.[/quote]

I hardly think it's a "non-story." The fact that Largent says one thing - they pulled out the contract & said, you must do this... - and Vinny says another - that they never used the contract to force Zorn into giving up play calling, makes it news. That is indicative of what we've seen over the years out of Danny & Vinny. They always seems to be at total odds w/their employees, even their fans.

If you're interested in Zorn's situation & would like to know how much of this debacle is his fault, I think this is far from a non-story.

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

"[Zorn] inherited everything that he has to work with today and yet all the blame is being laid on his feet because he can't make them a Super Bowl champion, which I could have told you two years ago, they don't have a Super Bowl-quality team," Largent told KJR radio. "And so it doesn't matter how good a coach you have, you are not going to get there with the players the owner gives you.

No one has asked Zorn to win the SB this year we just want him to win a game against teams with a 0 win record. IF he could have done that we would be sitting at 5/1 and he would not be in this situation. Yes I know his players play the game but come on we have enough talent to have that record.

Re: Steve Largent rips Snyder's handling of the team
 

[quote=OptimalOne;613770]Snyder tries his best to be the next best thing to Jimmy Jones [B]and Marty Schot[/B], but without the knowledge of the game and faith in personnel.

This is another GRAND example of how thinking and managing short-term will get NO long term results. (ie Hiring Gibbs to fill seats).


- "So good, I'm the best....That's why I'm OPTIMAL".[/quote]

Where did that come from? are you talking about Marg schott? or Marty Schottenheimer? Wasn't Jimmy Jones the guys who led all those people off to Guana and had them drink the Cool Aid.....Oh, I see what you did there....LOL. You were referencing DS as Jim Jones and calling us fans the congigration drinking the "Cool Aid". Wow ...I didn't think of it that way.

but what about the Marty comment? Marty has done good things with teams he's led as a HC. He just has not gotten the SB, but neither did Marino so he must suck also.