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[quote=FRPLG;604381]God everything that is happening with this team seems like chaos.[/quote]

Well when people that can't swim get tossed into a pool and start drowning, they go into freakout mode.

Redskins seem to be an organization that can't get their shit together, tossed into a schedule where they seemingly can barely get wins...

Let freakout mode commence.

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[quote=FRPLG;604381]God everything that is happening with this team seems like chaos.[/quote]

Could be worse, we could be the Titans or Cowboys.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;604322]Honestly, I like Blache's personality and really enjoyed listening to him talk on Thursdays, so i'm hoping its option 4. Like, GMScud, i previously was hoping Grey would take over from Blache at some point, but i'm not so sure any more.

[B][I]All I know is that whoever is responsible for our defensive backs giving 15+ yard cushions on every play needs to be demoted or fired. [/I][/B]

As to option 3, its a worst-case scenario for me. As sick as I am of Zorn and as much as I want him out ASAP, the logical part of my brain knows our chances of attracting someone other than Gruden or Fassel after the seasons over deteriorate dramatically if Zorn's fired mid-season. I mean, why on Earth would a respectable HC come here if we fired our previous coach after somewhere between 19 and 22 games? IMO, the only way Snyder can convince Cowher (HC) and Shottenheimer (GM) (my #1 choice to replace Zorn/Cerrato) is to convince them that he's really changed. Firing Zorn midseason certainly wouldnt accomplish that goal. Remember, the only reason Zorn got the job was because no one else (other than Fassel) wanted it.[/quote]

It's all apart of the grand scheme of things....like your favorite fast food resturaunt watering down the syrupy soda to make it last longer. ;)

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Maybe Blache is just tired. He's got a pretty intense workload outside of just coaching with all these media requirements.

By the way, Smoot has stopped talking to the media as well

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[quote=SmootSmack;604389]Maybe Blache is just tired. He's got a pretty intense workload outside of just coaching with all these media requirements.

By the way, Smoot has stopped talking to the media as well[/quote]

I know you get tired of the media Smoot. It's hard being you. ;)

But seriously, what's the real Smoot have to say to the media anyway? He got bumped out of the depth chart last week by Tryon ffs. If you're getting bumped out by a player with 1 year of experience and almost zero playing time, you need to be worrying more about your job security and less about the media.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;604390]I know you get tired of the media Smoot. It's hard being you. ;)

But seriously, what's the real Smoot have to say to the media anyway? He got bumped out of the depth chart last week by Tryon ffs. If you're getting bumped out by a player with 1 year of experience and almost zero playing time, you need to be worrying more about your job security and less about the media.[/quote]

yeah but Smoot has always talked...hence SmootSmack

Plus with him getting less playing time (and probably realizing it's his last season with the team) why not just talk away?

And what do you mean "the real Smoot" you calling me fake? :)

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[quote=Mattyk72;604321]My guess is Blache is a big grump and would rather focus his time on more important things.[/quote]
ran out of cute things to say

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[quote=Bill B;604351]Smootsmack - when they said Shanahan was the guy did they mention anything about the current Front Office setup? Would Vinny still be part of the organization? Would Shanhan only come if he gets to bring his Front Office people including a new GM and would Synder get out of all things except signing the paychecks and marketing?[/quote]
I'm guessing it's only what these people believe will happen. I can't see there being a lot of insider knowledge right now, but who knows?

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[quote=SmootSmack;604389]Maybe Blache is just tired. He's got a pretty intense workload outside of just coaching with all these media requirements.

By the way, Smoot has stopped talking to the media as well[/quote]

I think judging by how he's handled most of his press conferences recently that this is the most likely scenario. You could tell it was a chore for him.

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[B]Zorn said: "Blache really needed a break".[/B]

Then why the hell doesn't he retire?

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[quote=saden1;604387]Could be worse, we could be the Titans or Cowboys.[/quote]

...or the Raiders, or the Browns, or the Bills, or the Chiefs.. As bad as we feel we have it, others are worse off.

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[quote=skinsguy;604376]I'm personally hoping that we will start a big win streak so that we can put all the speculation to rest.[/quote]

Then what would we talk about all week?

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[quote=tryfuhl;604400]I'm guessing it's only what these people believe will happen. I can't see there being a lot of insider knowledge right now, but who knows?[/quote]

Anyone else think all of the insiders have started to turn on each other?

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I think it's absurd that anyone is required to talk to the press. What a waste of time talking to a bunch of simple-minded reporters. If it were up to me, reporters wouldn't be allowed on the property.

Blache is probably just tired of talking to idiots. I sympathise completely.

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[quote=70Chip;604422]I think it's absurd that anyone is required to talk to the press. What a waste of time talking to a bunch of simple-minded reporters. If it were up to me, reporters wouldn't be allowed on the property.

Blache is probably just tired of talking to idiots. I sympathise completely.[/quote]

Thanks. I feel the love

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I liked hearing Blache's comments.

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aren't we 2-2 .. what if we win this weekend and are 3-2 with the Chiefs coming up ?? Is the sky really falling ?? I say relax, there is WAY to much guessing going on around these parts .. breath in breath out .. 2-2 .... 2-2 .... 2-2

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I thought Doc Walker's explanation fit best -- when Blache said earlier in the week "throw me under the bus", Zorn may have come to him and said, 'don't do that, I'm the coach, I take the blame here, not you' -- Blache may have agreed, and then said 'I'm not speaking to the media, period.'

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Personally I think speaking to the media should be an option...except to the head coach. Like TO not wanting to speak to media for example...good for him, he knows his mouth has cause him trouble in the past so he should just shut up. Big Al is not talking to the media either, so let him be.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;604363]as an idoit who says "dont blame Snyder", I agree he is the constant dominator over the past 10 years. I agree it has been a pathetic 10 years. I don't agree that selling the team to another rich billionaire fan who is going to repeat the same pattern of mistakes makes any sense. I don't agree that the Snyder that bought the team is the same Snyder that currently is trying to figure out what his appropriate role is. I don't agree that change for change sake is a good thing. And finally, I don't see how calling for something that won't happen in my lifetime (and I have a bit of time left Lord willing) is in any way the thought of a sensible/rational person.[/quote]

If Snyder needs to find out what his roll is, simply look around the league at successful organizations (Giants, Pats, Steelers) and see how their owners do things. See they let "football" people run things, making the big decisions. Now Im not saying that always work but dont tell me with the money he is willing to pay people, he could not pull someone from another organization, fire Vinny or demote him to a scout, and say "Ive tryed my way for 10 years and it doesnt work, please fix this and I will stay hands off with my enormous open check book." Until then we will be grouped with the other owners like Jerry Jones and Al Davis. I guess Im just sick of these crazy ass moves, getting a bingo caller on offense without consulting the head coach and then having your D coordinator saying im not talking to the media anymore....this is not normal operations for a football team...if Blanche (who I support and thinks he does the best job on a weak coaching staff) cant take talking to the media cause its just too much, just retire if you dont want to be here. Skins are a circus...the Snyder era has hit a bottom, next stop is Raiders-land of knocking out assistant coaches and the owner calling the sidelines inserting D and O packages during the game. Oh and CRedskinsRule not calling you an idiot, just frustrated. And your post quote about building the house rules and completely relates to this topic of Snyder running things, maybe he should read it.

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[quote=Beemnseven;604490]I thought Doc Walker's explanation fit best -- when Blache said earlier in the week "throw me under the bus", Zorn may have come to him and said, 'don't do that, I'm the coach, I take the blame here, not you' -- Blache may have agreed, and then said 'I'm not speaking to the media, period.'[/quote]

Yeah I can buy that.

Or maybe the pieces are being put in place just in case Zorn gets the boot at the bye. Who the F knows anymore.

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[quote=Beemnseven;604490]I thought Doc Walker's explanation fit best -- when Blache said earlier in the week "throw me under the bus", Zorn may have come to him and said, 'don't do that, I'm the coach, I take the blame here, not you' -- Blache may have agreed, and then said 'I'm not speaking to the media, period.'[/quote]

If it was Blache and Zorn said that to me, I would have been really tempted to say "Well, you haven't taken the blame here so somebody on this staff had to man up and do it"

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[quote=Chico23231;604509]If Snyder needs to find out what his roll is, simply look around the league at successful organizations (Giants, Pats, Steelers) and see how their owners do things. See they let "football" people run things, making the big decisions. Now Im not saying that always work but dont tell me with the money he is willing to pay people, he could not pull someone from another organization, fire Vinny or demote him to a scout, and say "Ive tryed my way for 10 years and it doesnt work, please fix this and I will stay hands off with my enormous open check book." Until then we will be grouped with the other owners like Jerry Jones and Al Davis. I guess Im just sick of these crazy ass moves, getting a bingo caller on offense without consulting the head coach and then having your D coordinator saying im not talking to the media anymore....this is not normal operations for a football team...if Blanche (who I support and thinks he does the best job on a weak coaching staff) cant take talking to the media cause its just too much, just retire if you dont want to be here. Skins are a circus...the Snyder era has hit a bottom, next stop is Raiders-land of knocking out assistant coaches and the owner calling the sidelines inserting D and O packages during the game. Oh and CRedskinsRule not calling you an idiot, [B]just frustrated[/B]. And your post quote about building the house rules and completely relates to this topic of Snyder running things, maybe he should read it.[/quote]

Any Skins fan who isn't frustrated, is pure and simple weird, or not a real fan. I think every one of us looks at the team and tries to figure out this basic thought: "Why the heck can't the team I have watched all my life put together a team that is clearly capable of winning it all year in and out?" How many fans want their teams to be bottom of their division over and over? So we look at the team and some say: It must start at the top. or We need a new xxx (qb, rb whatever player of the day). or if a "real" football guy were the GM. or in my case - firing one low level position coach (cough cough Hixon cough cough).

The reality is it has been 10 years of trying approach after approach, bringing in a bad coach set us back, going after big names, etc. But my point is Snyder isn't selling this team, he is trying - in my opinion - to do what it takes, and as a fan, I can only hope that he gets it right. In the meantime, I will use my fan glasses to evaluate the moves made (i have no power to change them, so I hope for the best), and watch each gameday hoping that today is the day.

a couple specific points:
Cerrato brought Lewis in, to lay that at DS' feet is wrong, unless you want him to override his football guy

Cerrato is a "football guy" you and others may not think he is the quality that you want, but he is and has been a football guy for since the early 90's and does have some successes on his record

Bringing in a consultant is not a wild ass crazy move like JJ or Al Davis would make. Those two owners specifically think they know everything, and people who question them, like Dan Reeves, or any number of coaches in Oakland, are shown the door. DS has shown much more patience and respect to those who he brings in. And, businesses bring consultants in all the time(look in the yellow pages) when an area of operation is not producing like it should, football should be no different.

The Skins aren't a circus, they are a Bingo tent.

Finally I know fully well that I am an idiot, and I have an ex-wife who will gladly tell you every legitimate reason + some ;)

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^ha, Bingo tent nice. Yeah, Cerrato is a football guy, but he is also a "yes" man. And Vinny has had successes in the past, but hey he has had enough time to build this team. People behind the scenes confirm that the big decisions are being made and influenced by Snyder, refering to the recent George Michael article that was posted. Snyder's way doesnt work, and he wont sell the team which hell I wouldnt the revenue figures were the best last year among franchises. I just wish Snyder would go hands off and hire a GM to make the big decisions. Now I would love Bingo Man to wave that wand and make everything work, but I simply dont believe he will, Im more of the Charlie Casserly state of mind with the move. I will continue to support the players and pray for a playoff birth...HTTR

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This move to bring Lewis in would have to have snyder's approval obviously, but it also seems to have more than just Snyder's stamp. This has been done twice before under his ownership. It is also a very corporate approach, rather than a conventional football team move. Another way it seems to point toward snyder is simply in spending money & doing something.

Men of his means often believe they can buy their way out of things or fix things by throwing money at it & being proactive. That may be the case here, or there could be a greater plan at work as so many others have already speculated.

I have to agree w/chico's last post, don't have high hopes of this working.

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[quote=freddyg12;604565]This move to bring Lewis in would have to have snyder's approval obviously, but it also seems to have more than just Snyder's stamp. This has been done twice before under his ownership. [B]It is also a very corporate approach, rather than a conventional football team move. [/B]Another way it seems to point toward snyder is simply in spending money & doing something.

Men of his means often believe they can buy their way out of things or fix things by throwing money at it & being proactive. That may be the case here, or there could be a greater plan at work as so many others have already speculated.

I have to agree w/chico's last post, don't have high hopes of this working.[/quote]

I agree with all of this and I think it's time for Snyder to stop taking the corporated approach and start making decisions from a football perspective.

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[quote=Mattyk72;604514]Yeah I can buy that.

Or maybe the pieces are being put in place just in case Zorn gets the boot at the bye. [B]Who the F knows anymore[/B].[/quote]

Exactly. Such a simple sentence, yet so true in so many aspects with this team right now.

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[quote=70Chip;604422]I think it's absurd that anyone is required to talk to the press. What a waste of time talking to a bunch of simple-minded reporters. If it were up to me, reporters wouldn't be allowed on the property.

Blache is probably just tired of talking to idiots. I sympathise completely.[/quote]


I've said that more than once, the man just grew tired of constantly ansewring the same old stupid questions week after week. One could sense how fed up he had become when he responded to Trevor Matich the way he did in a post-game interview. With all the discord surrounding this team right now it wouldn't surprise me at all if Blache dosen't call it quits at seasons end.

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[quote=70Chip;604422]I think it's absurd that anyone is required to talk to the press. What a waste of time talking to a bunch of simple-minded reporters. If it were up to me, reporters wouldn't be allowed on the property.

Blache is probably just tired of talking to idiots. I sympathise completely.[/quote]

Well without media and reporters, its likley that Blache is doign something else with his life... and Robert Henson for that matter...

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[quote=Gmanc711;604650]Well without media and reporters, its likley that Blache is doign something else with his life... and Robert Henson for that matter...[/quote]


Yeah, football is a media invention. No one would participate if it wasn't for the press. I gotta tell my nine year old to hang the pads up because he just isn't getting enough ink.

"If american boys ever lose the the desire to hit and be hit this country will fall apart at some of its greatest national seams." -Paul "Bear" Bryant

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[quote=Bill B;604351]Smootsmack - when they said Shanahan was the guy did they mention anything about the current Front Office setup? Would Vinny still be part of the organization? Would Shanhan only come if he gets to bring his Front Office people including a new GM and would Synder get out of all things except signing the paychecks and marketing?[/quote]

Front Office would reportedly alter a bit, but it wouldn't involve Vinny not being here.

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[quote=SmootSmack;604784]Front Office would reportedly alter a bit, but it wouldn't involve Vinny not being here.[/quote]

teflon Vinny

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[quote=celts32;604841]teflon Vinny[/quote]

I'll take Vinny over Shanahan as a GM

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[quote=SmootSmack;604842]I'll take Vinny over Shanahan as a GM[/quote]

I'll second that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;604842]I'll take Vinny over Shanahan as a GM[/quote]Thirded.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;604523]Bringing in a consultant is not a wild ass crazy move like JJ or Al Davis would make. Those two owners specifically think they know everything, and people who question them, like Dan Reeves, or any number of coaches in Oakland, are shown the door. [B]DS has shown much more patience and respect to those who he brings in. And, businesses bring consultants in all the time(look in the yellow pages) when an area of operation is not producing like it should, football should be no different.[/B]

The Skins aren't a circus, they are a Bingo tent.

Finally I know fully well that I am an idiot, and I have an ex-wife who will gladly tell you every legitimate reason + some ;)[/quote]

How about bringing in a knowledgable consultant in the offseason to be your GM? If he's willing to trust "experienced football guys" and bring them on during the season why doesn't he find a good consultant and leave him alone to manage our roster in the offseason?

Bring in all the consultants you want. Whoever uses one is usually the CEO of that business and thus would never receive any negative feedback on their influence in that company.

Basically a consultant for a company you also personally manage is just going to be a higher priced Yes Man.


Why does Snyder suddenly trust the opinion of an outside experienced football guy four weeks into the season?

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As a Redskins season ticket holder and payer of those prices, I've been getting thrown under the bus for the last 10 years. I'm real close to not renewing my LL seats... F the BS and Snyder and Cerrato. Let's get someone who can run a football team. Isn't it about goddamn time? What the fuck?

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[quote=SmootSmack;604842]I'll take Vinny over Shanahan as a GM[/quote]

I don't want either one as a GM. I want Vinny out more then I ever wanted anything in sports before. I don't even care how much of it is his fault. I want him fired if for no other reason then to see that its possible. I don't believe he is held accountable by Snyder like everyone else in that building. The proof is in the pudding...that organization has changed over like 5 times since Snyder purchased the team yet Vinny remains through one failed regime after another. I am not saying I want everyone in the front office fired...just Vinny.

The 1 season under Snyder where the redskins seemed to be pointed in the right direction was the one with Marty that Vinny was not a part of.

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I beg to differ celts. I think Gibbs also had the team going in ther right direction. Gibbs' 2nd year there was a pretty good team here. Good D and a pretty good O. All this team needed was a second receiver to compliment Moss and a QB for the future. A couple of years later that gamble still hasn't been won. I've given my opinions on the QB thing so I'll leave those where they are.

Maybe Sherman coming in will help bring about a change with this offense. Maybe he can come in with no biases just his own opinion on what is wrong with this offense.

And for all of you all crying for a GM. You'd still complain unless he kicks Danny in the balls on National TV and locks him out of Ashburn. I wish we had one though because I wouldn't have to watch the underachiever every week.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;604931]I beg to differ celts. I think Gibbs also had the team going in ther right direction. Gibbs' 2nd year there was a pretty good team here. Good D and a pretty good O. All this team needed was a second receiver to compliment Moss and a QB for the future. A couple of years later that gamble still hasn't been won. I've given my opinions on the QB thing so I'll leave those where they are.

Maybe Sherman coming in will help bring about a change with this offense. Maybe he can come in with no biases just his own opinion on what is wrong with this offense.

And for all of you all crying for a GM. You'd still complain unless he kicks Danny in the balls on National TV and locks him out of Ashburn. I wish we had one though because I wouldn't have to watch the underachiever every week.[/quote]

I agree with Celts. I'd like to see Vinny go no matter what happens this year.

Sherman's influence on this team will make little or no impact. What percentage improvement could he possibly make being that he doesn't play on the field or call plays...at this point.

I'm happy that he's accredited and a Super Bowl champion but just having him as the "extra set of eyes" on our team is not going to suddenly turn us into contenders.