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[quote=dmek25;599506]what do you base this on? i guess the on field product/ wins and losses? because in my eyes, i like the fact that he will do what ever it takes to win. sure, he has made a lot of bad decisions. what owner hasn't? there aren't a lot of owners i would take over Snyder. people around here make me laugh when the bad decisions that are made are solely blamed on Snyder. how many of you guys were happy as hell( at the time) when the skins went out and signed all of the big name free agents? ill bet a whole bunch of you. the only thing that irks me with Snyder is his inability to see we need a football guy running things. and that doesn't mean Mr. Cerrato[/quote]

Well I will have to say that Dan has been trying to do this for ten years and it seems he makes alot of mistakes again and again. I run a business and if one way failed time and again I try another way until I get it right. Seems like dan keeps banging his head against the same wall with the same results. After watching how he runs the skins I wonder how he was able to start and run a business making all of the money he has.

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[quote=Spence;599511]No. People in Salem were accused of crimes they did not commit and killed for them. That's actually nothing like what is happening with Snyder.[/quote]This is exactly what's happening. What crimes has Snyder committed? Again without replaying the Norv/Marty/Spurrier tune.

- Hired Gibbs and gave him total control of the franchise? I'm sure you were against that.
- Hired Zorn, kept Blache and most of coaching staff intact? When the Skins were 6-2 last year I'm sure you had no problem with that.
- Player acquisitions and draft I'd say not terrible, not great. But this falls on Cerrato. He's only had complete control and accountability for less than two years.

Snyder isn't the fault of the recent troubles. He's an easy target for guys with blogs to write stuff trashing Snyder and get web-hits from it. It's good business, right?

I'm all for a GM, if it's Holmgren right now, it makes sense. But for God sakes can we get further down the path of this season before we're tying people to the stake or throwing them in a lake.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;599517]I'm pretty sure most of the "twerp" articles would be around his business dealings. Business is business, not personal.[/quote]Nonsense. I judge a person based on all their actions. Your view, apparently, is that someone can do anything they like as long as they say it is "just business." You're welcome to that view. I don't share it.

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;599517]If you're not cool with the parking/ticket prices, team's performance, etc. Don't go, don't watch, no one's holding a gun to your head.[/quote]So, let's make sure we both understand what you just wrote. If I don't like the performance of the team Snyder owns, the only thing I should do is stop watching them. I should not complain, I should not form opinions and I most certainly should not give voice to those opinions. I should either support Snyder whole-heartedly or go away, forget the team and never speak of it again. I'm not saying you work for Dan Snyder, but you should. Anyone that slavishly obedient should be getting a paycheck.

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;599517]No one complains when Snyder strokes massive checks, flys the team to ST's funeral, and supports the players families.[/quote]The money Snyder spends is of little concern to me. What he gets for that money is what matters and what he's gotten so far is a .455 winning percentage. To you, that's worthy of unthinking loyalty and obedience. To me, it is not. Again, diff'rent strokes and all.

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;599517]Without revenue Snyder continues to bring in, we will at some point be limited in our options financially.[/quote]You just don't get it. It's not about how much money is spent, it's about how that money is spent. Snyder can't buy a Super Bowl. If a decade of mediocrity doesn't make an impression on you, I guess nothing will. Again, I'll take a financially cautious ownership like the Rooneys any day of the week and twice on Sundays. [Especially on Sundays!]

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599436]Yeah...how can you not like Snyder more after reading this article???[/quote]


Oh yeah - what a couple of regular Joes those two megalomaniac billionaires are....

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[quote=Hog1;599524]If you check around, you'll find it's outrageous to see ANY NFL team. I don't know if we are the highest or not. HOWEVER, if you don't want to deal with that..........don't go. Simple, right?
AND.....last time I checked, there were about 100k people waiting for ticks
HTTR[/quote]I've already taken your sound advice. I've sold my tickets this season. I'm not stupid enough to pay for what has accurately been described as one of the worst game day experiences in American sports. I did that for 10 years. That was enough, thank you.

And no, there are not 100K people waiting for tickets. In fact, there might not be anyone waiting for tickets. Just another Snyder lie. [URL="http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/04/29/redskins-waiting-list-totally-gone-to-hell-are-blackouts-coming-to-a-tv-near-you/"]Read it[/URL].

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;599526]This is exactly what's happening. What crimes has Snyder committed? Again without replaying the Norv/Marty/Spurrier tune.[/quote]If you really think that being accused of incompetence after a decade of .455 football is akin to being burned at the stake, then I think we've exhausted the possibilities of this conversation.

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[quote=Spence;599532]I've already taken your sound advice. I've sold my tickets this season. I'm not stupid enough to pay for what has accurately been described as one of the worst game day experiences in American sports. I did that for 10 years. That was enough, thank you.

And no, there are not 100K people waiting for tickets. In fact, there might not be anyone waiting for tickets. Just another Snyder lie. [URL="http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/04/29/redskins-waiting-list-totally-gone-to-hell-are-blackouts-coming-to-a-tv-near-you/"]Read it[/URL].[/quote]
I got on the waiting list 3 or 4 years ago and at that time I was like #110,000 in line. Things may have changed since then.
BTW, do you consider yourself a Skins fan?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599426]Snyder has been receiving a lot of negative backlash after this loss to the Lions. Everyone should lighten up because Snyder isn't such a bad guy. Though it's hard to find some things that ingratiate him right now check out this article from last year.

The cellphone trick he pulls is just hiliarious!...too funny...Snyder's not so bad.

[URL="http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/09/28/3673802.htm"]It's a rich rivalry for Dallas Cowboys, Redskins owners: Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder are friendly rivals[/URL][/quote]

Well, kudos to you for trying to post some light hearted material. As you can see it's been killed by the debbie downers. Waahhhh - waahhhhh

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[quote=Spence;599511]No. People in Salem were accused of crimes they did not commit and killed for them. That's actually nothing like what is happening with Snyder.[/quote]

Also the people in Salem were falsely tried for being Supernatural Demons...there's nothing false in that same accuastion for Snyder.

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Well, I can see I'm not going to change any minds today. Thanks for the back-and-forth, Skins fans. I'm sure we'll continue this conversation [and begin others] later. Have a good one.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;599526]This is exactly what's happening. What crimes has Snyder committed? Again without replaying the Norv/Marty/Spurrier tune.

- Hired Gibbs and gave him total control of the franchise? I'm sure you were against that.
- Hired Zorn, kept Blache and most of coaching staff intact? When the Skins were 6-2 last year I'm sure you had no problem with that.
- Player acquisitions and draft I'd say not terrible, not great. But this falls on Cerrato. He's only had complete control and accountability for less than two years.

Snyder isn't the fault of the recent troubles. He's an easy target for guys with blogs to write stuff trashing Snyder and get web-hits from it. It's good business, right?

I'm all for a GM, if it's Holmgren right now, it makes sense. But for God sakes can we get further down the path of this season before we're tying people to the stake or throwing them in a lake.[/quote]
Actually in that area it would be easier to throw him in a river then a lake.

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Snyder deserves some heat. He runs the show and the show hasn't been too fun to watch for the most part. Even Gibbs 2.0 wasn't such a great show. Right now I feel that it doesn't matter who the HC is. The Skins will be mediocre until a proper FO is put in place with a concrete plan on turning the team into a winner again. Snyder needs to get a young coach that can be here a long time, put in a system, and draft the players that fit the system. Never really had that here post Norv, with the exception of Gibbs with JC as starting QB.

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[quote=Spence;599532]I've already taken your sound advice. I've sold my tickets this season. I'm not stupid enough to pay for what has accurately been described as one of the worst game day experiences in American sports. I did that for 10 years. That was enough, thank you.

And no, there are not 100K people waiting for tickets. In fact, there might not be anyone waiting for tickets. Just another Snyder lie. [URL="http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/04/29/redskins-waiting-list-totally-gone-to-hell-are-blackouts-coming-to-a-tv-near-you/"]Read it[/URL].[/quote]

You can call that a Redskins lie if you want, but it is not a Snyder lie.

What's amazing is how Snyder can make a mistake, say he made the mistake and it's like no one listens

Admitted to making a mistake in firing Turner in season (again, that was mainly Drasner's doing), admitted to charging fans admission, admitted to making a mistake in not keeping Casserly.

Snyder's biggest weakness, which I believe he has gotten much better at in recent years but I wish he would still be better, is that he has to separate Snyder the Redskins fan from Snyder the Redskins owner. In fact, he really can't be a fan of the team anymore. Not the way we all are. We can be dimwits, he can't be. Snyder a few years ago would have been like your everyday, irrational fan and fired Zorn the minute the final whistle blew on Sunday without a thought to who would be head coach, offensive coordinator, and QB coach. Now...he doesn't make such decisions.

This is why I always say I'm spending my billions on buying the Eagles. I don't care if they're awful forever :)

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[quote=Spence;599528]Nonsense. I judge a person based on all their actions. Your view, apparently, is that someone can do anything they like as long as they say it is "just business." You're welcome to that view. I don't share it.[/quote]You misrepresent my view. I judge people based on their actions too. If someone is aggressive in business as long as they aren't dishonest or breaking laws, then no that doesn't make someone a "terrible" person. Since we're judging apparent views, it appears your view is that anyone who is aggressive and successful in business is a "terrible" person.

[quote]So, let's make sure we both understand what you just wrote. If I don't like the performance of the team Snyder owns, the only thing I should do is stop watching them. I should not complain, I should not form opinions and I most certainly should not give voice to those opinions. I should either support Snyder whole-heartedly or go away, forget the team and never speak of it again. I'm not saying you work for Dan Snyder, but you should. Anyone that slavishly obedient should be getting a paycheck.[/quote]Let's make sure we don't make wild conjecture about what I wrote. No one said you can't complain, have opinions, or voice them. That's ridiculous to even make that statement based on what I posted and the fact that we both visit this site frequently, which is all about voicing opinions (and lately a whole lot of complaining). You're making a huge deal about the prices, if it's that much of an issue for you, again don't go. I don't work for DS, but would have no problem doing that because our interests align, all we both want is more Lombardi trophies in Redskins Park. Because I view Snyder's ownership objectively and through the lense of this guy bieng a life-long fan and trying desperately to put a winner on the field doesn't make me slavishly obedient, it makes me a realist. What it also doesn't make me is Sally Jenkins Jr.

[quote]The money Snyder spends is of little concern to me. What he gets for that money is what matters and what he's gotten so far is a .455 winning percentage. To you, that's worthy of unthinking loyalty and obedience. To me, it is not. Again, diff'rent strokes and all.[/quote]Don't tell me what I believe is worthy or not. But again you look at the winning percentage and not the details of what steps this guy has taken to put a winner on the field. It's easy when you're not the one who actually has to make the decision or cash the multi-million dollar checks.

[quote]You just don't get it. It's not about how much money is spent, it's about how that money is spent. Snyder can't buy a Super Bowl. If a decade of mediocrity doesn't make an impression on you, I guess nothing will. Again, I'll take a financially cautious ownership like the Rooneys any day of the week and twice on Sundays. [Especially on Sundays!][/quote]No, you don't get it. I didn't mention anything about "how" money was being spent, just the fact that if we are # 1 or #2 in revenue, that's a good thing and a big part of that is because of Snyder. Bottom line the NFL is a business. Salaries, stadium expenses, etc. need to get paid. If we don't have the firepower of being the first or second highest revenue team when/if the salary cap goes away we are in a worse position than where we are with Snyder continuing to find ways to increase the Redskins revenue stream.

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I would love to see most of you anti-snyder people put in his shoes. if so, chances are in more than half the cases, we fans would go through several years of chasing last year's hot names (look at the fire zorn now thread, or JC sucks threads). and then we would probably go through a couple of years of bring back the glory days, look at people calling for Grimm(he may be the right answer, but a part of the hell yeah sentiment is rooted in his traditions with the Skins), and then if we are honest with ourselves we might try to bring in a FO guy we trust and give him more freedom, even with our input.
I say this, and I believe it, that Snyder is still growing learning, and desperately wants a SB Trophy. It may take a while but I believe he will eventually bring one to DC

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599540]Also the people in Salem were falsely tried for being Supernatural Demons...there's nothing false in that same accuastion for Snyder.

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[quote=firstdown;599543]Actually in that area it would be easier to drown him in a river then a lake.[/quote]

Neither will do...

He doesn't die that way....he has yet to drown in all the money Redskins fans have been throwing at him.

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[quote=Hog1;599536]I got on the waiting list 3 or 4 years ago and at that time I was like #110,000 in line. Things may have changed since then.
BTW, do you consider yourself a Skins fan?[/quote]

I have never been on a season ticket list and got called by the Redskisn and offered season tickets, twice. Yes he is a Redskins fan, are you? I bet he spent way more cash on this franchise than you have.

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Snyder isn't a bad owner, but he is too much like Jones. Thing is Jones owns "America's team" so he doesn't get as much heat as Snyder. Those 3 Lombardis don't hurt either!!! Snyder needs to find a young guy like Shwartz. An accomplished assistant with a plan, a system, along with letting him and his scouts acquire the talent to fit the system. Our roster is filled with accomplished skilled players that were drafted for Gibbs 2.0. Zorn probably will never see the day when his roster has guys compatible with the WCO!!

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[quote=Mattyk72;599538]Well, kudos to you for trying to post some light hearted material. As you can see it's been killed by the debbie downers. Waahhhh - waahhhhh[/quote] Debbie Downers? Good one. I thought you said Snyder was the problem this morning. I guess this afternoon, that changed?

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Also I just reviewed all the active threads in the Locker Room. Not one is titled Snyder sucks or bench JC. I guess this is a pre emptive thread to counter such threads, but none have been posted recently. Only a couple guys on other threads have said JC sucked or should be benched, and Snyder does deserve some heat. Why do you think they give the Lombardi to the owner after the SB? Guy has to account for something with regards to the FO and the handling of team operations, it is his team.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;599554]I have never been on a season ticket list and got called by the Redskisn and offered season tickets, twice. [B]Yes he is a Redskins fan, are you? I bet he spent way more cash on this franchise than you have[/B].[/quote]

That's what is wrong with our Snyder and our franchise.

How can money be a mark of your fanhood? Money doesn't make you fan...if so Bill Gates would only reserve the right to be called the biggest fan in the world.

Eff all that. It's not about money. It's about time and effort (non-monetary effort).

The question is what is Dan Snyder doing modern day to help that doesn't involve tons of money???...I don't know the answer do you?

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;599554]I have never been on a season ticket list and got called by the Redskisn and offered season tickets, twice. Yes he is a Redskins fan, are you? I bet he spent way more cash on this franchise than you have.[/quote]
I asked him if he was a Skins fan for a specific reason......which you foolishly misinterpreted.
BTW, is cash spent the measure of a Skins fan?
AND, since you probably know little about him, and nothing about me or my Skins spending habit....THAT is....seriously ignorant

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599562]That's what is wrong with our Snyder and our franchise.

How can money be a mark of your fanhood? Money doesn't make you fan...if so Bill Gates would only reserve the right to be called the biggest fan in the world.

Eff all that. It's not about money. It's about time and effort (non-monetary effort).

[B]The question is what is Dan Snyder doing modern day to help that doesn't involve tons of money???...I don't know the answer do you?[/B][/quote]

What do you want him to do?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599562]That's what is wrong with our Snyder and our franchise.

How can money be a mark of your fanhood? Money doesn't make you fan...if so Bill Gates would only reserve the right to be called the biggest fan in the world.

Eff all that. It's not about money. It's about time and effort (non-monetary effort).

The question is what is Dan Snyder doing modern day to help that doesn't involve tons of money???...I don't know the answer do you?[/quote]

No I don't. But I can tell you one idea I have. Step out of football operations, hire a high regarded GM, fire Vinny Cerrato, and allow the GM to rebuild the franchise through youth, smart drafting, and using free agency to supplement an overall plan, kind of like the Steelers and Patriots do. They purposely draft in many rounds with an aim of replacing future players. We seem to draft off a whim. I think a sincere effort to hire a highly reputable front office would go a mile and do wonders for Dan Snyder's status with an angry fan base.

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[quote=Spence;599528] You just don't get it. It's not about how much money is spent, it's about how that money is spent. Snyder can't buy a Super Bowl. If a decade of mediocrity doesn't make an impression on you, I guess nothing will. Again, I'll take a financially cautious ownership like the Rooneys any day of the week and twice on Sundays. [Especially on Sundays!][/quote]

I'm going to offer a slightly different viewpoint. I don't think it's HOW that money is spent, either. After all, if Snyder won, we wouldn't care if he was the most wasteful owner on the planet. Their fans don't care about how much dough the Lakers or Yankees spend, right?

Can you say The Danny doesn't care about winning and is just some evil businessman out to extract his profit? I don't think you really can. There are plenty of owners in pro sports who do this and Snyder doesn't fit the mold.

He spends too much money on players and coaches to fit the cheap-ass tightwad owner model (think NBA's Donald Sterling or Michael Heisley here) and the Zorn Experiment clearly shows that he's not just making decisions based on who he thinks can draw the highest revenue to the park.

Never ascribe to malice what can more easily be attributed to incompetence. I think it's quite simple, really: the skills that allowed Snyder to excel in the business world do not translate well in the NFL world.

/shrug.

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Snyder sucks...Send me money to buy the Redskins and you'll have a season ticket for life.

Send money to:

P.O. Box 2419
Mumfuga Drive
Lagos, Nigeria.

Thank you.

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[quote=Hog1;599563]I asked him if he was a Skins fan for a specific reason......which you foolishly misinterpreted.
BTW, is cash spent the measure of a Skins fan?
AND, since you probably know little about him, and nothing about me or my Skins spending habit....THAT is....seriously ignorant[/quote]

I dont know. I assume if someone is willing to spend thousands on season tickets, they are probably a die hard fan. Is money the measure? Absolutely not. Just like the amount of money Snyder spend is not a measure. And I certainly don't think blindly following Snyder and not getting angry at watching a proud franchise operate dysfucntionally is a measure. You can criticize and mock an owner and still love the franchise, which you seem to imply you can't. If that is the case, 75% of the fan base then aren't fans.

Sorry my friend, I have been a fan since I was 4, that is 36 years, and I have lived through the great eras, the good eras and the bad eras. Sue me for wanting the good times back. Shame on me for wanting a franchise that consistently wins. Shame on me for not wanting my beloved Redskins to be known as the next Cardinals, Browns, Lions, and Bengals.

Yes, i can be a fan and hate the way Dan Snyder runs this team. Yes, I can still be a fan. Matter of fact, I bet, given my age and Snyder's age, I have been a fan just as long as him. As long as Snyder and Cerrato are calling the shots, I simply don't know how we will get better than the last ten years. They have a proven track record. Look at the team from 2000 to present. That is their track record.

You can say he wants to win all you want. Yes, he probably does. Fact is, he is not. And if winning is all that matters to him over money, then he should be trying anything, including taking himself out of the equation, if that is what it takes to win.

Wonder how many were calling for Snyder and Cerrato's heads on Sunday night?

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[quote=SmootSmack;599565]What do you want him to do?[/quote]

Hire a humble GM who is esteemed in the NFL and then sit back and watch him work.

Evaluate that GM's performance after he has archived calculatable results. Only make ownership decisions to keep that GM after his results have been tallied. That is the only on field decisions I want Snyder making.

Snyder can have any other annicillary financial decision that involves the team just not the ones that affect anything on the field.

All of those I've just mentioned would really cost Snyder minimally and Snyder would only have to pay in swallowed pride. Tell Snyder to keep the money in his pockets and his influence in the box and that will end up being the final answer to everything.

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[quote=saden1;599569]Snyder sucks...Send me money to buy the Redskins and you'll have a season ticket for life.

Send money to:

P.O. Box 2419
Mumfuga Drive
Lagos, Nigeria.

Thank you.[/quote]

I sent my money there over a month ago... Still waiting on my tickets..

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;599526]This is exactly what's happening. What crimes has Snyder committed? Again without replaying the Norv/Marty/Spurrier tune.

[B]Hired Gibbs and gave him total control of the franchise? I'm sure you were against that.
- Hired Zorn, kept Blache and most of coaching staff intact? When the Skins were 6-2 last year I'm sure you had no problem with that.
- Player acquisitions and draft I'd say not terrible, not great. But this falls on Cerrato. He's only had complete control and accountability for less than two years.[/B]
Snyder isn't the fault of the recent troubles. He's an easy target for guys with blogs to write stuff trashing Snyder and get web-hits from it. It's good business, right?

I'm all for a GM, if it's Holmgren right now, it makes sense. But for God sakes can we get further down the path of this season before we're tying people to the stake or throwing them in a lake.[/quote]

ANY and ALL 'Skins fans felt that hiring Gibbs was a brilliant move - UNTIL his four-year record turned out to be 30-34 - (Blasphemous admission forthcoming): personally, I was glad he left a year early, 2 playoff years notwithstanding; the game had clearly passed him by, despite his hall of fame enshrinement...

Yeah, 6-2 was great, but it's a SIXTEEN GAME season - 8-8, ain't so great....unless you are a fan of abject mediocrity...

Player acquisitions "Not so great"????? Oh, PUH-LEEZE!!!!! But since you put the blame on "My Cousin Vinny", just who do you think bears (but has abdicated thus far) the responsibility to kick his fanny to the curb?

Cerrato in control for two years? BULL S***! His fingers have been in the 'Skins pie for NINE years - and if he thought Jeff George were still available for a first-round pick today, you could kiss that pick adios.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599573]Hire a humble GM who is esteemed in the NFL and then sit back and watch him work.

Evaluate that GM's performance after he has archived calculatable results. Only make ownership decisions to keep that GM after his results have been tallied. That is the only on field decisions I want Snyder making.

Snyder can have any other annicillary financial decision that involves the team just not the ones that affect anything on the field.

All of those I've just mentioned would really cost Snyder minimally and Snyder would only have to pay in swallowed pride. Tell Snyder to keep the money in his pockets and his influence in the box and that will end up being the final answer to everything.[/quote]

Bingo! That is what Rooney's do in Pittsburgh and Kraft does in NE. That is how successful franchises operate. That is also why a once over active owner in hockey, Ted Leonsis, stepped aide and stayed in the box and out of personnel. Guess what, the Caps franchise is now in good shape for the next 5 to 7 years.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;599501]Wow, I never would have guessed these were your feelings from reading your highly unbiased reports at DCPSR. I am amazed at the objectivity that shines through your reports now that I know how you really feel.

Ok, now that was a joke.[/quote]


But what exactly about his statement do you find wrong?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;599549][B]I would love to see most of you anti-snyder people put in his shoes.[/B] if so, chances are in more than half the cases, we fans would go through several years of chasing last year's hot names (look at the fire zorn now thread, or JC sucks threads). and then we would probably go through a couple of years of bring back the glory days, look at people calling for Grimm(he may be the right answer, but a part of the hell yeah sentiment is rooted in his traditions with the Skins), and then if we are honest with ourselves we might try to bring in a FO guy we trust and give him more freedom, even with our input.
I say this, and I believe it, that Snyder is still growing learning, and desperately wants a SB Trophy. It may take a while but I believe he will eventually bring one to DC[/quote]

I'd like to see me in his shoes too, as long as his wallet was part of the deal. As far as a SB trophy is concerned, even HE doesn't have the necessary funds to buy one -which is how he views the means for its acquisition.

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We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! :) ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact.

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[quote=SmootSmack;599582]We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! :) ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected [B]Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact[/B].[/quote]

I just spewed in my mouth...eeeww...I had spaghetti too...nasty.

That sounds great but what are we trying to keep together? The Joe Gibbs Head Coached w/ Co-Head Coach Gregg Williams team from 2007?...We're a long ways away from 2007 and what was left of Joe Gibbs team is certainly long gone now. Enough with the patch work elements to an outdated Joe Gibbs team from 2007.

Let's place a competitive NFL football team on the field. I don't mind losing games as long as we had a competitive chance to win them. Giants can crush us every year like they have been but if it's down to the wire every game and we're competitive I know we have something we can work towards.

There's nothing to work towards under that structure. Just the same old patch job setting fans up for the hype of the offseason and the dissapointment during post-season.

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=SmootSmack;599565]What do you want him to do?[/quote]


Smack, for starters he should/could first consider hiring a credible GM to head-up the day to day operation of the team. As a matter of fact, there's a good man waiting for a call that he fired 10 yrs. ago, and despite that fact I believe he'd still be willing to come back and work for the organization.

He should not be selecting players for the team even though it's his team. He's a marketing executive picking football players, I must be missing something because I don't see the connection. He even admitted he made a mistake in firing Casserly, no better time than now to rectify the mistake.

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

Everyone here has been talking about Danny's actions as owners. It is easy, from this, to come up with pro-Snyder and anti-Snyder arguments.

But what everyone is missing is attitude rather than actions. By "attitude" I do not mean to question whether or not Danny wants the Redskins to win, as he clearly does.

Rather, what I mean when it comes to attitude is, "in what manner does he express his desire to win?" That is, it seems to me that Snyder must go about expressing his desire to win in mistaken ways, because the biggest problem with the Redskins for years has been team culture. Players and coaches have come and gone since DS took over, but what has not changed is team fire to win or team professionalism. Since DS took over the team repeatedly has not shown up for games, apart from a few exceptional instances. The team culture seems to be one where players expect to get accountability passes when they don't show up for games. Such a culture begins at the top.

So I personally don't criticize Snyder for personnel moves, since he seems to be less involved than he used to be. I don't criticize him for free spending on players or gouging fans for money. I don't criticize him for lack of desire to win. I criticize him for creating a team culture in which underachievement is the rule.

Re: Lighten Up On Snyder
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;599573][B]Hire a humble GM who is esteemed in the NFL and then sit back and watch him work....[/B]

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YES PLEASE!
Snyder has tried everything else.
I am not sure what it will take for Snyder to try this approach?
After barely beating the Rams 9-7 and then losing to the Lions in back to back weeks, I think Snyder's ego has to be at an all time low.

[B]Serious Question[/B]: In your opinion, what has to happen this year for Snyder to fire Cerratto and this coaching staff, and hire a new GM?
We are not a playoff team. Is playing below .500 ball and not making the playoffs for a second year enough to get them fired?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;599587]I just spewed in my mouth...eeeww...I had spaghetti too...nasty.

[B]That sounds great but what are we trying to keep together? The Joe Gibbs Head Coached w/ Co-Head Coach Gregg Williams team from 2007?...We're a long ways away from 2007 and what was left of Joe Gibbs team is certainly long gone now. Enough with the patch work elements to an outdated Joe Gibbs team from 2007.[/B]

Let's place a competitive NFL football team on the field. I don't mind losing games as long as we had a competitive chance to win them. Giants can crush us every year like they have been but if it's down to the wire every game and we're competitive I know we have something we can work towards.

There's nothing to work towards under that structure. Just the same old patch job setting fans up for the hype of the offseason and the dissapointment during post-season.[/quote]

I don't follow