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I've said it once and I'll say it again. The only place that sick f**k belongs in Washington is toilet soap changer at Fed Ex field.

:Flush:

Eff you Bros Vick.

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SF should sign him. He's probably better than Hill and Smith.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;559130]I think PETA understand that he went to jail and served his time. He may in order to counteract any negative backlash become a spokesperson or a supporter with cash to PETA[/quote]
PETA does not understand anything if its not accompanied with lots of money.

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I'm not worried about whether Vick plays again or not. I really couldn't care less. I think he has a lot of work to do on just being a decent human being. I don't see him doing anything for the Redskins except being a media circus. We don't need him. It kinda boggles my mind that someone worth millions of dollars would spend their time fighting dogs??? I guess Forrest Gump was right, "Stupid is as stupid does." What a f**king idiot.

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But in all honesty, isn't the league better off without Vick, the player? Here's a guy who presided over a declining offense as Falcons QB for 5 years, culminating in an embarassing 2006 season, and because the Falcons gave him the BIGGEST CONTRACT IN LEAGUE HISTORY, it looked like we would be stuck with him.

Then, he did something on his own to lose that opportunity, and PEOPLE WANT HIM BACK. This is maddening. We got lucky when he got himself suspended, so when he inevitably comes back, I really hope he doesn't get treated like a superstar.

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[quote=Zerohero;559133]No its not agreed he would be a public relations nightmare, he grew up in redskins country and would greatly embraced.

The question really is how he would fit in.[/quote]
It's even questionable if Hampton Roads is "Redskins Country", I see as much Steelers, Panthers, Cowboys fan gear as Skins gear. And absolutely Vick would be a PR nightmare.

From a football perspective, the guy's main asset was his speed, no way his speed hasn't dropped off after 2+ years off.

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[quote=53Fan;559138]I'm not worried about whether Vick plays again or not. I really couldn't care less. I think he has a lot of work to do on just being a decent human being. I don't see him doing anything for the Redskins except being a media circus. We don't need him. [B]It kinda boggles my mind that someone worth millions of dollars would spend their time fighting dogs???[/B] I guess Forrest Gump was right, "Stupid is as stupid does." What a f**king idiot.[/quote]

Thats like saying why would millionaires take drugs, drive fast, beat their wives. Money rarely changes a persons bad habits, normally lets them fulfill more their bad traits and habits.

I certainly dont see him as a great quarterback, but the point was made earlier in thread he is still better than some of the starting qbs playing now. Certainly Atlanta grossly overpaid on last contract, so while hes not the 130 dollar man he is still a good qb. Just dont see him fitting in here.

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[quote=Daseal;559103]A team that takes Vick better be ready for loads and loads of backlash. Including losing fans, protests on game day, etc. I don't think Snyder would be willing to go through that because unlike most bad publicity, this one could truly hurt the team.

That said, I think Vick a) gets suspended for more games by the league when it's over. b) Did something terrible. He made a conscious decision to break a dog's back... over his knee. That's disgusting to me, and I have a hard time forgetting that. It wasn't just dog fighting, then killing the animals when they're of no use to him anymore, he took time and fun to torture these poor animals to death.

He's a piece of shit, and if he were on the Redskins, I may have to seriously consider abstaining from the Redskins till he was no longer a part of the team.[/quote]

For the record, no one loves a dog more than me, in fact I volunteer for an animal welfare organization. I also think we have more pressing needs than a QB. Still, I wouldn't be immediately opposed to Vick in teh B&G.

Sure, the Peta crazies would picket, holla and scream instead of actually being productive to, say, decrease fighting rings by changing laws, work w/ at-risk youth (young Vicks) exposed to fighting, bring reform, etc. Eventually everyone has to return to their day job.

As for Vick, he has a lot to regain, to prove, there's redemption, he's hungry, well, I think it would be good for a struggling team to be on that wave. We've seen the last of his hostile attitude to fans. Besides, this team needs a pulse.

Lose Redskin fans? Sure you'd drop a few (plz, plz, plz, let it be the posers in the Club Level), but if Vick made us A Contendah again they'd come crawling back. Personally as a 25+ year fan who has gone far too long without, I'd never budge. Actually, it's Dan Snyder who challenges my religion every day.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;559140]It's even questionable if Hampton Roads is "Redskins Country", I see as much Steelers, Panthers, Cowboys fan gear as Skins gear. And absolutely Vick would be a PR nightmare.

From a football perspective, the guy's main asset was his speed, no way his speed hasn't dropped off after 2+ years off.[/quote]

Southside must be bandwagon country, the Peninsula is no doubt redskin country. Though not winning since 1991 isnt helping. If skins went all the way this year Hampton roads would explode with B&G.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;559140]It's even questionable if Hampton Roads is "Redskins Country", I see as much Steelers, Panthers, Cowboys fan gear as Skins gear. And absolutely Vick would be a PR nightmare.

From a football perspective, the guy's main asset was his speed, no way his speed hasn't dropped off after 2+ years off.[/quote]


I've got a lot family in Newport News and Portsmouth, VA area. Always a strong Redskin following down there. I suspsect the fanbase went the way of our playoff appearances since 91...

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I don't know. I like Vick. I never really had any hardcore issues with what he did. I mean, don't get wrong, I like animals so I'm not fond of his poor decision making in that area, however I do see that our society has it's priorities backward when we send Vick to prison for dogfighting & Bill Romanowski not only remains in the League (at the time he beat his wife up in what can only best be described as a roid rage fit), but also ends up getting into a couple of movies. So we reward people who hurt other people & show the world that we care about our dogs more? I don't get it.


That being said, I don't know that we should consider this option. We already get enough bad press (no, I am not among those who feel that any press is good press) & this would only add to that. Plus, I don't know that Vick would fit well with what we are trying to do here. JMO

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[quote=diehardskin2982;559044]Do you think the skins should take a chance on Vick he has been released officially.

I for one would do it. I would sign him at a low cost and sit him on the bench behind Jason. Great insurance policy if Campbell decides not to stay with us we have a probowl caliber player and he would bring so much to the offense.[/quote]

Absolutely, positively NO!
We have an aging offensive line, do you think they would be able to handle Vick's running? (assuming he still can) If he can't run like he could (which is a good bet he can't) then he's useless cause his throwing ability was one of the worst in the league when he left, and it's 2 years later.

MUCH rather have Brennan and Collins!

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[quote=Missin21;559159]I don't know. I like Vick. I never really had any hardcore issues with what he did. I mean, don't get wrong, I like animals so I'm not fond of his poor decision making in that area, however I do see that our society has it's priorities backward when we send Vick to prison for dogfighting & Bill Romanowski not only remains in the League (at the time he beat his wife up in what can only best be described as a roid rage fit), but also ends up getting into a couple of movies. So we reward people who hurt other people & show the world that we care about our dogs more? I don't get it.


That being said, I don't know that we should consider this option. We already get enough bad press (no, I am not among those who feel that any press is good press) & this would only add to that. Plus, I don't know that Vick would fit well with what we are trying to do here. JMO[/quote]

WHAT? That makes no sense. What Vick did was a FELONY! I can't stand Romanowski, but what he did was not a felony. To TRY to compare the two even farther...Romanowski lost his temper in the heat of a moment, Vick, knowingly and continually tortured dogs in such a fowl way that it would make most puke and haunt their memories forever. Sorry bud, there is about as much comparison here to the Skins vs 4 year old ballet students!
I will NEVER stop being a skins fan, but I do not want this guy not for what he did (he paid his debt) but because he is no good as a QB. No way his legs are as good as they were 2 years ago making him useless.

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If the players want to bring a dog to practice for the day we could hire Vick to walk the dogs around Redskin Park so they could get some quality exercise.

Hell no!

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[quote=Zerohero;559143][B]Thats like saying why would millionaires take drugs, drive fast, beat their wives.[/B] Money rarely changes a persons bad habits, normally lets them fulfill more their bad traits and habits.

I certainly dont see him as a great quarterback, but the point was made earlier in thread he is still better than some of the starting qbs playing now. Certainly Atlanta grossly overpaid on last contract, so while hes not the 130 dollar man he is still a good qb. Just dont see him fitting in here.[/quote]

I don't know why anyone would beat their wife. I guess it's a sickness (coward maybe?) just like hurting animals. If Vick gets the same rush from hurting animals as some people get from drugs or driving fast...he's [B]really[/B] got a problem.

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Vick would cause two problems which would lean me towards saying no way. First off it would cause a QB controversy here and would probably lead towards Campbell demanding a trade before the season starts. I also think Vick isnt a good QB. The same problems everyone has with Campbell will be the same problems everyone will have with Mike Vick.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;559050]The dog fighting thing isn't the only issue here. Does no one remember him flipping off fans? How about the Ron Mexico incident? Or the failed drug test? This guy is a cancer and that doesn't take into account the dog fighting thing (which I detest with every fiber of my being).


So, in other words, F... NO![/quote]


Thats so laughable, its stupid

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Some folks have said here they want Michael Vick here to sit behind Jason Campbell as an insurance policy. That leads me to pose two questions...

1. When Michael Vick went to court for his bankruptcy filing about 2 months ago, his projection for his future NFL earnings showed $10M over the first two years after being reinstated. Unless my calculator is broken, that is just a bit more than "vet minimum"... For those who want him as an insurance policy, would you still want him at something approaching $5M/year? Remember, Danny Boy rarely underpays the people he signs.


2. Michael Vick is still the property of the Atlanta Falcons and therefore, he can be traded by the Falcons to another team. For those who want him as an insurance policy, what would you be willing to give to the Falcons in order to make certain that Michael Vick winds up here in Washington as opposed to anywhere else in the NFL?

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[quote=MasterBlaster;559183]Thats so laughable, its stupid[/quote]

How is what he said stupid? He brought up some good points. Maybe Vick isnt a "cancer" like other players but his worth on the field probably isnt worth the risk.

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[quote=Missin21;559159]I don't know. I like Vick. I never really had any hardcore issues with what he did. I mean, don't get wrong, I like animals so I'm not fond of his poor decision making in that area, however I do see that our society has it's priorities backward when we send Vick to prison for dogfighting & Bill Romanowski not only remains in the League (at the time he beat his wife up in what can only best be described as a roid rage fit), but also ends up getting into a couple of movies. So we reward people who hurt other people & show the world that we care about our dogs more? I don't get it.


That being said, I don't know that we should consider this option. We already get enough bad press (no, I am not among those who feel that any press is good press) & this would only add to that. Plus, I don't know that Vick would fit well with what we are trying to do here. JMO[/quote]

Out of everything being said, on this matter, this is the most brilliant thing said on this matter period......

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punt returner? (may have been mentioned didnt have time to read all the posts)

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As I read somewhere (I think the comments section of RI). Herpes infected felon with a 50% completion percentage and a two year layoff. Where do I sign up?

[quote=53Fan;559174][B]I don't know why anyone would beat their wife. I guess it's a sickness (coward maybe?[/B]) just like hurting animals. If Vick gets the same rush from hurting animals as some people get from drugs or driving fast...he's really got a problem.[/quote]

This usually happens when someone gets abused by an authority figure before puberty. As a result they learn to deal with conflicts and troubling emotions through the use of violence, and in a relationship situation where conflict is natural, they just snap. I'm by no means defending them but as long as parents beat their kids we'll have people growing up with the inability to handle their emotions. I'm willing to bet that guys like Jerome Mathis, James Harrison, and Chris Brown got beat by their parents a little to hard. This is not to say that everyone beat by their parents will turn into a wife beater but it definitely increases the risk. It should come as no surprise that the middle east most likely has the highest rate of child abuse in the world.

On the other hand I don't know how someone gets into the torturing and brutally killing animals. With hunting I know it's a cultural thing but with hunting it's one shot and they're down. It's not a personal form of killing. Hanging and electrocuting animals indicates rage of a more personal nature and as a result indicates very serious mental problems. Not trying to get into the whole deal about how it's ok for certain people to kill certain animals and not others especially when it comes to meat but the way Vick went about his business is a serious red flag.

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[quote=Mattyk72;559091]Until he gets his feet back under him as a QB the wildcat is probably the best way to get him back on the field right away.

What other way is he going to be used this year, especially here?[/quote]
I could see him doing return duty as well; you know I always thought that Vick should've learned the WR position.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;559201]As I read somewhere (I think the comments section of RI). Herpes infected felon with a 50% completion percentage and a two year layoff. Where do I sign up?

.[/quote]

That's quite the admission for you to make! haha

As long as he isn't raping members of our team oh well, I don't see him as a fit though; and I'd be willing to bet that a lot more people than MV in the NFL have the herp

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;559048]I would. I know some people will say no because of the dog fighting stuff but seriously the man went took his punishment now it's time to move on. I'm looking at him as a football player, so I say yes.[/quote]


Dogfighting isn't the issue at all with most folks nixing this idea. To win the whole enchilada and even make the playoffs you have to pass effectively. Vick couldn't pass effectively to save his life!!!!!!! Vick couldn't get the #1 rushing team in the NFL into the playoffs because he sucks as a passer. Matt Ryan gave that franchise a shot in the arm last season. Sure he can't dance like Vick, but he sure can pass now can't he? Brennan has more of a shot at future playoffs for us than Vick!!!

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;559187]


2. Michael Vick is still the property of the Atlanta Falcons and therefore, he can be traded by the Falcons to another team. For those who want him as an insurance policy, what would you be willing to give to the Falcons in order to make certain that Michael Vick winds up here in Washington as opposed to anywhere else in the NFL?[/quote]

he was released this morning

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Mike Vick isnt better than what we got so why bring the distraction to our team?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;559214]he was released this morning[/quote]

got a link on that?

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[quote=Mattyk72;559227]got a link on that?[/quote]

Ya, I just did a quick search and couldn't find anything about his release from the Falcons, I've been watching ESPN and saw nothing on it too. I'd like to see a link as well.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559222]Mike Vick isnt better than what we got so why bring the distraction to our team?[/quote]

I disagree. He'd be an upgrade as a backup QB and even in the backfield as an RB. He might even work well at WR, working some Wildcat-like plays or what Randle El has done from time to time.

He'd only be a distraction for a few weeks, and if any team could handle the media attention, it's the Skins. We're kind of used to being a media circus as it is.

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I'd like to see a poll on this one....

Anyway...lets think of this from Snyder's perspective...or should I say a Marketing perspective....

Will the Skins get more publicity, yes..
Will the Skins get more money because of it...probably not.
Although it is arguable that we could secure an extra nationally televised game because of this, I think the image problem could affect periphrial skins fans to stop buying Skins gear....as you can tell, many Skins fans can't stomach what Vick did...many may even boycott...more than likely, fans that merely favor the Skins could be lost forever due to a move to get him.

Danny cares about revenue....and I believe this one is more on the con side than the pro side in terms of revenue production....therefore, I predict the Skins will not touch this with a 10 foot pole.

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therefore, I predict the Skins will not touch this with a 10 foot pole.


Agreed.

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[quote]I don't know. I like Vick. I never really had any hardcore issues with what he did. I mean, don't get wrong, I like animals so I'm not fond of his poor decision making in that area, however I do see that our society has it's priorities backward when we send Vick to prison for dogfighting & Bill Romanowski not only remains in the League (at the time he beat his wife up in what can only best be described as a roid rage fit), but also ends up getting into a couple of movies. So we reward people who hurt other people & show the world that we care about our dogs more? I don't get it.


That being said, I don't know that we should consider this option. We already get enough bad press (no, I am not among those who feel that any press is good press) & this would only add to that. Plus, I don't know that Vick would fit well with what we are trying to do here. JMO[/quote]

First let me say, I'm not trying to defend the actions of the people below, but rather trying to point out the reasoning behind such outrage. There are lots of people that commit crimes in the NFL. Few I see as disgusting as what Michael Vick did to those poor animals.

The most common of the NFL arrests seem to come from alcohol, and the most serious offenses are DUIs. Don't get me wrong, driving under the influence is beyond stupid and no one, especially people such as star athletes should ever drive drunk. But, this is where we start looking at intent. These people are stupid, not malicious. Their intent is NOT to harm and maim other people, it's to get home. A bad decision for sure, and worthy of jail time, but in my mind the crime isn't as gross, but can definitely be more tragic.

Domestic disputes are also very high. Violence in the home is a scary thing. I would never advocate the abuse of a spouse. However, I also start to lose patience the longer a person stays in a situation like that. If the words "He hit me" and "again" are in the same sentence -- you've lost my sympathy. Wife beaters DO NOT CHANGE. If he hits you once, get the **** out. You're a human with control and the ability to leave a situation. Perhaps a shelter isn't the ideal situation, but it gives you ability to get back on your feet and away from the asshole.

The problem with dog fighting is this, the dogs have no say in the matter and Vick made a conscious decision to torture them. So not only do the animals not have the power to leave the situation, Vick also is killing them, brutally, on purpose. Are there worse things than dog fighting and the torture of animals? Absolutely, but that type of reasoning is dangerous. That's asking people to monopolize all their time, effort, and money on one issue. I am a huge animal lover, I currently have two cats, and my parents have 4 dogs. I just don't understand how someone could do that to something that gives you nothing but love, all the time.

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Im not even counting what he did against him, as a player,better yet as a QB i was never impressed with him. He can run,thats it. He scares noone with his arm IMO.

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And as a team learning a new Offense i dont see any reason to bring in another offensive set to get 1 player on the field.

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He's a good QB, but where did he take the Falcons before he got locked up? If we had Vick, JC, and Colt, I think we would be extremely QB heavy. If they make a move for Vick, JC will be gone.

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Vick would be a great signing for the Skins, good player (not great) and solid VT fan base still and would help keep the Skins solide in the Tidewater VA area. I know fan bases are nation/world wide but nothing like have the locals. There is a reason the Skins go to VA Beach every year. Vick still has 5 years in him, barring major injury.

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[quote=hagams;559240]He's a good QB, but where did he take the Falcons before he got locked up? If we had Vick, JC, and Colt, I think we would be extremely QB heavy. If they make a move for Vick, JC will be gone.[/quote]

Are you kidding? He took them into Lambeau and led them to the NFC championship. He's a playmaker, and we need more of them on the Skins.

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Again, we need a passer,not a runner. WR Roddy White was considered to be approaching 'Bust' status with Vick at QB. He got a better passer at the position in Ryan and had a great yr and now is considered to be a top WR in the league.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;559214]he was released this morning[/quote]

Are you sure you're not confusing being released by the Falcons with being released from prison into home custody?