Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

If I have to decide, I say yes, take him at #13. Sometimes players get overhyped negative publicity during the combine. W. Sapp fell to #12 due to a positive marijuana test. He turned out to be a bargain for tampa. I think Smith will have a solid if not great career.

Ideally, his stock will really fall & he'll be there if & when we trade down. As Detroit was mentioned, he would be a steal at #20.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

I'd take him. He's ready to start today at RG and probably even RT. It's not like those aren't positions of need for us, or at least they will be within the next two years. He had a disastrous weekend, true. But, as I've said before, it's not like he's some kind of hoodlum and his talents on the field have been pretty evident in the fall. This has the potential to be another Warren Sapp situation, when Sapp fell to the 12th after the marijuana rumors in 1995, but still went on to have a pretty damn good career.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=freddyg12;529421]If I have to decide, I say yes, take him at #13. Sometimes players get overhyped negative publicity during the combine. W. Sapp fell to #12 due to a positive marijuana test. He turned out to be a bargain for tampa. I think Smith will have a solid if not great career.

Ideally, his stock will really fall & he'll be there if & when we trade down. As Detroit was mentioned, he would be a steal at #20.[/quote]

Didn't notice you had mentioned Sapp already. Great minds...

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;529575]I'd take him. He's ready to start today at RG and probably even RT. It's not like those aren't positions of need for us, or at least they will be within the next two years. He had a disastrous weekend, true. But, as I've said before, it's not like he's some kind of hoodlum and his talents on the field have been pretty evident in the fall. This has the potential to be another Warren Sapp situation, when Sapp fell to the 12th after the marijuana rumors in 1995, but still went on to have a pretty damn good career.[/quote]
I'll go out on a limb and bet a dollar he's a bust. This isn't a case of a guy kicking-ass on the field and doing a few bong hits at a party on the weekend. These issues raise a serious red flag and no way I risk the pick and millions in guaranteed money on this guy.

On a side note, his agent is the same agent as Koren Robinson's. I played on the same flag football team with him (the agent) a few years ago. His agent is a good guy (but I still don't take Smith).

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

If Smith is there, use him as trade bait to accumulate picks. I pass on a guy who's biggest question mark is work ethic. He missed his bowl game due to a team imposed suspension and showed up to the combine out of shape. This guy is not a competitor and thus not worthy of the 13th overall pick when there will be guys available who want to work.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

No, I wouldn't take him. I'd trade down if I could.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

NO!! I would either trade down or draft an OLB (Cushing).

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=GMScud;529396]I heard one of the guys covering the combine- I think it was Mariucci- say that he thinks Andre Smith could be a pro-bowl caliber guard right now. That's something to consider. If we snagged him and he wasn't quite ready to start at T, he could always help at the guard spot. Kendall and R.Thomas aren't getting any younger.[/quote]

Ok but we need a RT probably more than anything else on the o-line right? The worst we can do at LG and RG is Kendell and Thomas, hoping Kendell's knees don't disintegrate and Thomas has a rebound year. The worst we can do at RT is Jansen (old, slow in his lateral movement and oft injured) or Heyer (inexperienced, lousy run-blocker and also oft injured :confused:). We need a RT and if he's not coming through the draft then we ought to trade down for sure i think.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

We might have found the perfect training camp roommate for Fred "Sleepy" Davis.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

If we do not take Smith at #13 if available, it is a really dumb move. We have old ass O-Lineman who can't even practice all week together throughout the season. If I am not mistaken, I heard Zorn and Lord Buge's mention this caused a major problem for them in the last half of the season (and we all know the results). We must have a OL that can start ASAP at either RT or G, and eventually Smith could take over for Samuels who would obviously take him under his wing. If they end up taking a LB at this spot and Smith is on the board, I will personally find Vinny and give him a piece of my mind!

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

If we were to trade down into the mid to late twenties, would you take Smith (if available) or Oher?

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;530215]If we were to trade down into the mid to late twenties, would you take Smith (if available) or Oher?[/quote]

Good question. I still like Mack, but think Smith OR Oher would make a good fit at RT.

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[quote=53Fan;530368]Good question. I still like Mack, but think Smith OR Oher would make a good fit at RT.[/quote]

Surprised to hear to say this 53. I guess if we get Dock back then Mack doesn't have quite the appeal... although I'd like to see Rabach replaced almost as much as i want a stud at RT.

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[quote=The Goat;530420]Surprised to hear to say this 53. I guess if we get Dock back then Mack doesn't have quite the appeal... although I'd like to see Rabach replaced almost as much as i want a stud at RT.[/quote]

There is no guarantee that Thomas is ever going to be the player he once was. Mack could also play RG. Maybe drafting Mack would also be a better option than spending a bunch of money on Jason Brown? As good as Brown is, I expect Mack to be every bit as good. JMO.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

After signing Dockery I would have no problem taking Smith at 13. Samuels will mentor him and eventually replace him. In the third I would look for a OLB or a C.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

if we get willis we can take the chance, but it still seems risky. It might just depend on who else is on the board.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

We need LB's, also need to get young at the DE position, C and T postions and a young RB. I say trade down.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

Absolutely! He was predicted to be the #1 overall pick not too long ago. I would then hope and pray Eric Wood C UL would fall to us in the 3rd round.

No matter who we draft at this point I haven't felt this good about our team in a long, long time

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=vallin21;531612]After signing Dockery I would have no problem taking Smith at 13. Samuels will mentor him and eventually replace him. In the third I would look for a OLB or a C.[/quote]
what he said :)

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

I believe that the Redskins are in the perfect position entering the draft. I think that Smith may not be there at 13 but I think you have to take him if he is there. He won the Outland trophy and has a mean streak. The scouts say he is a devastating run blocker. He is basically a bigger Chris Samuels. I know there are some question marks but when the most talented player at a premier position is available, you have to take him.

I have heard rumors that people think they need to trade down because of their cap situation. Schneed mentioned that they still have room under the cap so I think they should use this space to sign their draft picks. I would hate to have to pass on on Smith or Maualuga because they signed another guy who does not have their talent level or upside. Plus I think they should leave a little wiggle room so they can bring back Montgomery, Golston, possibly Daniels and Boston Pete.

I think they did an outstanding job in free agency. They locked up young players that are all in their prime while attacking all of their weaknesses. Signing Hall and keeping Rogers preserves one of the most talented secondaries in the league.

Signing Haynesworth (while expensive was necessary) gives them a premier defensive lineman who can create sacks and stop the run. The reason that he is that expensive is that no one else has his skill set.

Signing Dockery may have been the best move of all. They signed him below market rate and added size, youth and someone who knows the system. In fact this was a stroke of genius. They let him go when the market was overpaying guards and then locked him up for about half of what he was paid two years ago.

So now they need to work on depth and add a stud at 13 (which should be possible).
If they draft A Smith, Monroe, Smith, Oher or Maualuga at 13. I think the offseason is a huge success.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;531806]I believe that the Redskins are in the perfect position entering the draft. [B]I think that Smith may not be there at 13 but I think you have to take him if he is there. He won the Outland trophy and has a mean streak. The scouts say he is a devastating run blocker. He is basically a bigger Chris Samuels.[/B] I know there are some question marks but when the most talented player at a premier position is available, you have to take him.

I have heard rumors that people think they need to trade down because of their cap situation. Schneed mentioned that they still have room under the cap so I think they should use this space to sign their draft picks. [B]I would hate to have to pass on on Smith or Maualuga because they signed another guy who does not have their talent level or upside.[/B] Plus I think they should leave a little wiggle room so they can bring back Montgomery, Golston, possibly Daniels and Boston Pete.

I think they did an outstanding job in free agency. [B]They locked up young players that are all in their prime while attacking all of their weaknesses. Signing Hall and keeping Rogers preserves one of the most talented secondaries in the league.[/B]

Signing Haynesworth (while expensive was necessary) gives them a premier defensive lineman who can create sacks and stop the run. The reason that he is that expensive is that no one else has his skill set.

[B]Signing Dockery may have been the best move of all.[/B] They signed him below market rate and added size, youth and someone who knows the system. In fact this was a stroke of genius. They let him go when the market was overpaying guards and then locked him up for about half of what he was paid two years ago.

So now they need to work on depth and add a stud at 13 (which should be possible).
[B]If they draft A Smith, Monroe, Smith, Oher or Maualuga at 13. I think the offseason is a huge success.[/B][/quote]

Great post. I think you may be right about A. Smith going even before 13; however it's impossible to tell right now. If he has an awesome work-out at Alabama's pro-day then I think he still goes top 10.

My biggest curiosity is whether we trade down and basically attempt to get starters at both RT and OLB in this draft or just stay at 13 and get what should really be a franchise player. Also if we stay at 13 and there's a choice between A. Smith, Oher, and Rey M it's really difficult to know what's best. We are badly aged at OT and need another franchise guy, but Rey looks to me like the most fascinating defensive prospect in the '09 draft and we're already thin at LB (and London looks to be wearing a bit). Really, really tough call.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=The Goat;531853]Great post. I think you may be right about A. Smith going even before 13; however it's impossible to tell right now. If he has an awesome work-out at Alabama's pro-day then I think he still goes top 10.

My biggest curiosity is whether we trade down and basically attempt to get starters at both RT and OLB in this draft or just stay at 13 and get what should really be a franchise player. Also if we stay at 13 and there's a choice between A. Smith, Oher, and Rey M it's really difficult to know what's best. We are badly aged at OT and need another franchise guy, but Rey looks to me like the most fascinating defensive prospect in the '09 draft and we're already thin at LB (and London looks to be wearing a bit). Really, really tough call.[/quote]

It is a tough call but I don't think you lose with Smith or Rey M. That is the good thing. We definitely need LB help but A. Smith would be an early X-mas present if available and they need young talent on the line. You never lose by aquiring talented linemen. I read that the LB class is pretty deep this year so hopefully Morocco Brown has found some decent players in the third round and beyond.

I am very excited about the draft this year.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

The thing that worries me is that in this draft while deep at tackle there seems to be only a handful of guys that can both run block and protect well enough to play LT. I personally think Andre Smith and Michael Oher fit that bill perfectly but if the front office trades down then our chances of grabbing Smith probably goes out the window though I would love to think that he falls to where we trade down and we get a second teir linebacker in the second round. Plus I don't know how the front office would feel about a guy like Oher but judging from what they said about players last year they might consider him a reach.

Most of the tackle prospects that I see are pretty good pass blockers but only marginal run blockers so it'll depend on a combination of what Buges wants and weather the front office is going to value pass protection or run blocking but after seeing Heyer last year who might be a 3.5-4/5 in pass blocking and a 2/5 in run blocking I'd rather not get a guy thats mainly finesse.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

If he is there...yes, [B]if not[/B] then definitely Rey M.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;531899]The thing that worries me is that in this draft while deep at tackle there seems to be only a handful of guys that can both run block and protect well enough to play LT. I personally think Andre Smith and Michael Oher fit that bill perfectly but if the front office trades down then our chances of grabbing Smith probably goes out the window though I would love to think that he falls to where we trade down and we get a second teir linebacker in the second round. Plus I don't know how the front office would feel about a guy like Oher but judging from what they said about players last year they might consider him a reach.

Most of the tackle prospects that I see are pretty good pass blockers but only marginal run blockers so it'll depend on a combination of what Buges wants and weather the front office is going to value pass protection or run blocking but after seeing Heyer last year who might be a 3.5-4/5 in pass blocking and a 2/5 in run blocking I'd rather not get a guy thats mainly finesse.[/quote]

I would be happy with any of the 4 top tackle prospects at 13. Another advantage for Washington is that one of those guys does not have to come here and be the lynchpin on the left side. I don't know how hard it is to start off as a right tackle if you are used to being a left tackle but I would think that it is easier to start your career on the right and move to left tackle down the road then to face Ware, Osi and Cole 30 times a game as a rookie.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=Skins4Eva;531901]If he is there...yes, [B]if not[/B] then definitely Rey M.[/quote]

Exactly

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;531899]The thing that worries me is that in this draft while deep at tackle there seems to be only a handful of guys that can both run block and protect well enough to play LT. I personally think Andre Smith and Michael Oher fit that bill perfectly but if the front office trades down then our chances of grabbing Smith probably goes out the window though I would love to think that he falls to where we trade down and we get a second teir linebacker in the second round. Plus I don't know how the front office would feel about a guy like Oher but judging from what they said about players last year they might consider him a reach.

Most of the tackle prospects that I see are pretty good pass blockers but only marginal run blockers so it'll depend on a combination of what Buges wants and weather the front office is going to value pass protection or run blocking but after seeing Heyer last year who might be a 3.5-4/5 in pass blocking and a 2/5 in run blocking I'd rather not get a guy thats mainly finesse.[/quote]

they might only be marginal run blockers, but our RT spot is a wasteland, so they'd still be a huge upgrade.

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[quote=That Guy;532075]they might only be marginal run blockers, but our RT spot is a wasteland, so they'd still be a huge upgrade.[/quote]

Agreed but ultimately we should look for top tackle talent to eventually replace Samuels. We may not draft this high again for a few years (hopefully) so it may be the wisest thing to draft a stud tackle now :)

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[quote=The Goat;532168]Agreed but ultimately we should look for top tackle talent to eventually replace Samuels. We may not draft this high again for a few years (hopefully) so it may be the wisest thing to draft a stud tackle now :)[/quote]

well, if the cba falls through, 2010 might be the last draft ever... we'll have to see. otherwise it'd just be NFL free agency followed by college free agency.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

Now that Cassel is on the cheifs, it looks like they are gonna draft one of the big 4. There's no chance that Smith will be available at 13, heres why:
49ers need a tackle oppisite Staley.
Bengals need 1 to replace Andrews,
Detroit probobly takes one with their 1st pick,
Rams could use one to replce the aging Orlando Pace,
Seattle despretly needs one now that they lost Willis.
Jax needs one to replce Barnes.
Even the raiders could use one since Robert Gallery sucks.
I say we trade up to get one, next years 3rd or something, and move up about 5 spots with Green Bay or someone. We need one of these stud Tackles for the future. We can't count on 1 droping to us like smith.
Then draft a LB in the 3rd

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=mauiRedskinbarn;532178]now that Cassel is on the cheifs, it looks like they are gonna draft one of the big 4. There's no chance that Smith will be available at 13. 49ers need a tackle, Bengals need 1, Detroit needs one, Rams could use one. I say we trade up to get get one. Then draft Unger in the 3rd[/quote]

we dont have the ammo or the cap space to make trading up a great idea. and unger won't make it to the 3rd.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

I agree we need to focus our attention on our offense. We must pick OT with our first, Smith or Oher. But if Mauiredskin's scenario materialises, top talent like Stafford, Raji, Vontae Davis might fall to 13 making them good trade bait for us to move into lower first where we can get Beatty or Jamon Meredith while getting top 7 OLB/DE prospects like Connor Barwin, Michael Johnson, Clay Mathews?

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

Remember what Jeff Otah did for Carolina's run game this past year? That would really open up our run game getting a mauler at 13.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

First of all our #13 must be a OT IMO My choice in order.

1)Eugene Monroe
2)Jason Smith
3)Michael Oher
4)Andre Smith - I think you have to take a chance here. He has been to dominate to over look him because of the combine issue. If not for this he would be my #3 choice.
But I would take Andre over any other available position if he's all that's left.
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Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

He is an animal. I would take him. He would be able to play right tackle now.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

No way should we take Andre Smith. NO WAY. He is too much of a head case and I think the presence of Bugel, Samuels, etc., will not change that. Who on earth doesn't work out at the Combine because "I'm out of shape"? NFL players must be significantly self-motivating. What if he mentally doesn't show up for Dallas week because he similarly is unmotivated as he was for the Combine?

I say if Oher, Monroe, and Jason Smith are gone at #13, we take Beatty or Britton at OT, or trade down and take one of them later. Or take the best LB or center available or take Duke Robinson at guard.

Anyone but Andre Smith.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

Yes, but I would rather have Oher. I know we need an OLB, but it's going to have to wait til next year. Between Haynesworth, Hall, and Taylor, we have spent enough on the D for one year. Draft the best OT available at #13 and trade up that 3rd for a 2nd and get the best OG or C available. Our third rounder is essentially useless in my opinion, because we need potential starters, not depth.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

Everyone has to remember that we will take the best available player. So if a good safety is on the board at 13 we will take him. Don't get your hopes up folks. Might as well close this thread now. :smashfrea:FIREdevil

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=Skins fan 44;532480]Everyone has to remember that we will take the best available player. So if a good safety is on the board at 13 we will take him. Don't get your hopes up folks. Might as well close this thread now. :smashfrea:FIREdevil[/quote]

"Sarcasm is anger's ugly cousin"

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=The Goat;532483]"Sarcasm is anger's ugly cousin"[/quote]


Yeah I maybe a little sarcastic but would it surprise you if we drafted something like that? What did we need the past couple years and we did not draft? Line help?