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A sprained knee is pretty lucky. jason will be out a while.But at least he will play.The very next play the panthers scored a touchdown. I have never seen the wheels fall off so fast. why even throw the ball when you can grind it out on a tired defense.My god the safety play was a killer. we should have drafted kenny phillips. now the giants got him and we still have reed douty.How very unfortunate for us!!!!

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I won't make any regular season predictions based on this game alone, but I will take it for what is/was - a serious blowout. Now the big question is can we hunker down and save face. Based on this team's track record of bouncing back, I would say the odd's favor the Redskins heavily. I'm not willing to bet against this team, that's all.

Now, two things about Jason Campbell. I totally disagree with one of the posters that Jason locks in on one receiver too long. I think it's just the opposite, he probably looks at his other options a little too much. And for the Todd Collins lovers, you put him behind last night's offensive line, and you get six or seven sacks, in my opinion.

The only solace I'm taking at this point is that we'll probably line up 99% of our starters on opening day. This is a veteran team, and we'll be relatively healthy and hungry on opening night. That's what I'm counting on. Remember, they doubled the amount of work they put in this training camp under Jim Zorn than they did under Gibbs last season. It's possible they mentally checked out around mid-way through the second quarter due to the two-a-days.

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[quote=JWsleep;467288]Well, he could have done the Brunell chuck out of bounds, but he was getting pressure instantly on lots of those plays.

Here's a question for those with DVRs and the stomach for looking. Did Campbell MISS open routes out there? Were people ever running free and he didn't see them, etc.? My guess is that the rush and tight coverage made it very tough and he held the ball more for that reason than for failing to read the D in the woefully short time he had.

But the whole team, JC included, played poorly. Let's see if Zorn and co can fix it![/quote]

Yes, he did miss open guys. I don't remember seeing anyone totally blow by anyone on the plays where he held on too long, but he definitely had options and didn't take them.

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I think Reed Doughty has just proven that he is not a starter in the NFL. If I was Blache I would find a way to pair Kareem Moore up with Landry as our starting safeties. After watching the game for a 2nd time Moore looks like he is the real deal. He had two plays where he took bad angles against the RB but the play should have been stopped way before it got to him forcing Moore to change direction to compensate for the earlier missed tackles which caused him to take the bad angles.

Of course Moore wasn't a beacon of perfection last night, but he's a rookie who will learn in time and I see so much upside in him that I think he needs to be starting somewhere.

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I think another key factor in our motivation was this was our 4th preseason game. As we know, many NFL starters debate benefit of a 4 or 5 game preseason. I think our starter just went through the motions. Mentally, the starters were fatigued of the preseason.

Carolina's starters knew this was their key game and the last real action prior to the regular season, and were hyped.

Outside of the play, what also concerns me is I am not sure we are any closer to settling roster spots 50-53.

Coaches will have practice to do their more through evaluations, but it would have been nice to see some guys step up huge and move off the bubble.

Finally, I realy like what I see out of TE Davis. Like Peter King stated in his preview, the guy is a stud. Just needs more time.

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My god is the sky falling? I was at last nights game and it seemed as though carolina came out looking like a team that hadnt played a game in 10 days with a clear game plan. Listen folks i understand game 3 of the preseason is suppose to be a look at the regular season but i am not a believer in gauging anything by preseason play. I was hoping to see more than what i saw last night....am I a little worried....if i said no i'd be lying but shall i go over the list of everyone who didnt play last night and no to mention I think Joe Bugel has been away from the team for a while dealing with his own personal tragedy and the pyschological blow of seeing Jason taylor laying on the ground. All I am simply suggesting is lets not lose our heads over this. We as a team and a fan base need to all put this behind us...as hard as it might and move forward. Sept 4 is approaching fast and we need to get over this. FYI I was almost kicked out of the gridiron club last night when carolina's coach challenged the on play when they were up 44-3.....who the f*ck challenges a play like that when they are winning so handily? but as the title of this thread says...the sun did rise again today...and by all accounts it will set tonight. Word for the day fellow redskin fans is....RELAX!

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Why has NO ONE (on comcast or other media & the warpath - correct me if I'm wrong) mentioned that the poor play came after a tough week w/Buges' daughter & Gene Upshaw passing away on thursday?

Team can get blown out simply cause they're flat. Seems that aside from a few guys that had reason to play hard, the team spirit was not there. I'd rather see them flat in a preseason game.

I certainly am not discounting all those here that pointed out the problems w/the O, I am troubled by it as well. But one play stands out to me as an example of how this game might be a huge anomaly, Samuels getting bull rushed by Peppers. Sure Peppers can beat him in any game, but he's not likely to do it that way. Plays like that happen when you're not focused; Samuels didn't get low enough & allowed him to gain leverage. He's an all-pro tackle yet he had a bad game too. I think that play summed up the whole night.

JWSleep makes a good point, if Betts doesn't fumble that ball we were on a drive & only down 6-0. Even though carolina had dominated to that point they only had 6 points. If we'd have been able to finish that drive, the night might've gone differently. In a preseason game though, it's easy to see why the D would lose its intensity after being on the field for so long.

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I know I'm not usually positive beacon of light around here, but I submit that this could actually be good for the team in the long run.

First, it's preseason. Yeah, we looked awful in every aspect of the game, yeah we got our asses handed to us by the Carolina Panthers for a full 60 minutes. But, in the grand scheme of things, come the first week of the regular season we're all back to 0-0. This doesn't hurt our chances of the playoffs or a Super Bowl.

Second, I think this could really beneficial if you think about it. We were 3-0, feeling good, thinking we're hot stuff and ready to take over the league. What happened last night was that a LOT of our weaknesses were exposed in a big way. We now have a nice punchlist of items to address in practice with respect to the weak defense and offense.

Sure, ideally we'd be so good that there wouldn't be any problems to even address. If any of you really think we're on the brink of an undefeated season culminating in a Super Bowl, we won't have any injuries and every game we play will be flawless, you're in for a bit of a shock.

I know it's the silver lining on a dark cloud, but at least our weaknesses were exposed and we can now work on them.

Someone once said something along the lines of, "Wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from screwing things up."

Sometimes it takes failing in a big way to recognize what you need to work on to succeed. I'd much rather have this revelation the fourth game of the preseason than figure it out five games into the regular season when it's really hard to right the ship.

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[QUOTE=redskinjim;467248]collins took us to the playoffs.cambell getting hurt was the only way we would have won 4 straight.(we probably lose that game to the bears)We cant wait till we till we are in the hole before zorn makes the switch.Face it cambell is not getting better.when he holds the ball forever instead of throwing it in the stands. It just shows that his lack of vision and poor accuracy. also he is not mobile.What the heck he has a stronger arm and hes younger than collins. we will never win with him!!![/QUOTE]

Damn, I'd love to give you negative feedback right now.

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hey mods whoever the first one to start the collins should be the starter thread should be banned forever.....the idea of collins needing to be the starter is as credible as the skins should name me as starting qb...i do have the physical tools...6'5 240 and a lefty..lol.... collins looks like a deer caught in the headlights everytime this preseason i have seen him play. campbell is our guy...win lose or draw thats who i want behind center.

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[quote=vaoutlaws2006;467379]hey mods whoever the first one to start the collins should be the starter thread should be banned forever.....the idea of collins needing to be the starter is as credible as the skins should name me as starting qb...i do have the physical tools...6'5 240 and a lefty..lol.... collins looks like a deer caught in the headlights everytime this preseason i have seen him play. campbell is our guy...win lose or draw thats who i want behind center.[/quote]

Yeah, as much as JC has struggled as of late TC clearly is not ready to come in the way he did last year.

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My first post since the game last night...

That was about as bad a performance as I've seen in a long time. Maybe the Patriots game last year compares, but the Patriots had one of the best offenses ever.

There's no need for positives, b/c there was none. Maybe the punter, but that's about it.

Can we rebound? Sure. Do I have major concerns about the offense? Yes. We haven't had one of our draft choices show any signs of being able to contribute during the regular season yet. That just leaves us, SM and ARE. I'm not sold on them getting it done.

Do I have major concerns about our D? Yes. I like Greg Blache but he hasn't proven he's of the Gregg Williams caliber yet.

This is after watching the first three preseason games. We just have a lot of question marks still. Of course, last night was about as close to live bullets as possible and we bombed. I'm not bailing but I do have major concerns.

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What a mess. The game was encompassed by negative energy from the start as both Channel 9 and Comcast Sports Net had technical difficulties with their production of The Redskins broadcast. To mask these difficulties they decided to inundate us with 15 minutes of straight commercials. After a while, I too started to feel for the endangered Orangutans. Watching 15 minutes of straight commercials is irritating enough. But watching The Redskins get completely dismantled by the Carolina Panthers 47-3 in their fourth, and most important, pre-season game is down right excruciating. When coaches take the time to set up a game plan for an opponent, you don’t expect to lose by 44 points. When you play your best players an entire half, you don’t expect to lose by 44 points. So why the hell did we lose by 44 points?!

There were issues on offense, defense, and special teams but most disturbing was the play of our offensive line. We had none. We might as well have marched the U.S woman’s gymnastics team out onto the field. Jon Jansen cannot play anymore. Period. He is a non factor against the pass rush and only adequate in run support. I actually thought Chris Samuels was the strong point of our line, at least until he was driven back 10 yards into quarterback Jason Campbell.

The quarterback play wasn’t much better. What Jim Zorn calls “inadequate” I call horrendous. Campbell, you have to get rid of the ball. I swear to God if I see one more pump fake I’m gonna lose it. Collins, you waste of a contract you. We could put Marcus Mason in your place but instead we have to watch your statuesque, uncomfortable looking self out there. And Colt is just Colt. A nice preseason novelty. My feelings on Colt are ambiguous. He is not gonna help the Redskins this year and thus should not be talked about from this point on.

Defensively I was awestruck. The product out on the field this evening had absolutely no resemblance to the solid unit that Gregg Williams had showcased only a year ago. In fact, I bet Gregg Williams is having a nice little chuckle right about know. Our defensive line was horrendous against the run. The Panthers had not one, but two long runs straight through the heart of our defense for touchdowns. We need a new safety and a capable corner who can start alongside Shawn Springs. Carlos Rogers continues to struggle when making plays on the ball. If Fred Smoot could play half as well as he could talk, he might be half decent. Dancing after making a tackle when your defense is getting absolutely abused? Are you kidding me?!

As you can see I am quite disappointed in tonight’s performance. While the Skins humiliating performance does not spell certain doom, it does raise a number of questions. The good news is the game does not count against our record. The bad news is this team opens up against the Giants in 12 days. If you thought the Panthers pass rush was scary, wait until our line has to match-up against the likes of Tuck and Umenyiora.

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The QB position will get better just give it time. The defensive Secondary looks [B]weak[/B]. I can now say I have absolutley no faith in him. All he is good for is a few hits. He lacks speed and ball skills. Does anyone agree with me?

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i hate to call people out but we have two very misinformed members here on the warpath. first of all rooster umenyiora appears to be done for the season and at the worst we wont be seeing him in 12 days. and vallin 21...who are you referring too? got two words for you laron landry. get him back there and things are going to be differnet.

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Just a couple of things...

- Campbell has a lot of work to do. He f'ed up yesterday, and good players learn from their mistakes and move on. Collins is not the answer, and neither is Brennan, so everyone get over yourselves and let JC learn from this. Luckily it is the preseason.

- Reed Doughty is an average player, he's not Sean Taylor nor is he Laron Landry. We were fortunate to have an elite Safety tandem last year, but tragically we lost that. Moore and Horton are rookies, and they are not the answer this year, they will be the answer next season. Doughtly looked bad yesterday, but so did all the starters, and we're not going to bench them all (don't answer that).

- Like someone mentioned, I'm glad there are no "this team fought its guts out" quotes from the coaches. I hope they are taking this loss hard, and learning from their mistakes.

- And finally, I think a lot of us (at least I a) are dissappointed b/c we're seeing the same weak offense again. Seriously a lot of us are not expecting a trip to the SB, but I am tired of the anemic offense this team has. I hope they fix this soon.

- Finally, we could be in a worst situation, Taylor could be out for the season like Osi is...so at least we left this game somewhat healthy.

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[QUOTE=vaoutlaws2006;467407]i hate to call people out but we have two very misinformed members here on the warpath. first of all rooster umenyiora appears to be done for the season and at the worst we wont be seeing him in 12 days. and vallin 21...who are you referring too? got two words for you laron landry. get him back there and things are going to be differnet.[/QUOTE]

Let me inform you since you dont understand. First I am talking about Reed doughty. Second I never said Landry wouldn't be bad because I knew he would be out. If you didn't realize this Vaoutlaws2006 it takes [B]2 [/B]safties to have a great secondary. ie Sean Taylor Laron Landry last year.
So I have [B]2[/B] words for you [B]DOESN'T MATTER !![/B]

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[quote=vallin21;467405]The QB position will get better just give it time. [/quote]

My question is : When?

He still has the same QB rating he had when he first walked on the field in 2006.

Virtually no progress, whatsoever.

If anything, he is regressing.

When will he start to get better?

When?

J-Dawg.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;467205] but there is absolutely NOTHING positive you can say about any part of that game last night.[/QUOTE]

Frost avg 51 and had a long of 65. :)

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[QUOTE=jgalecpa;467418]My question is : When?

He still has the same QB rating he had when he first walked on the field in 2006.

Virtually no progress, whatsoever.

If anything, he is regressing.

When will he start to get better?

When?

J-Dawg.[/QUOTE]

Well hopefully it gets better by having a coach who actually wants to have Campbell in as QB.

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[quote=vallin21;467415]Let me inform you since you dont understand. First I am talking about Reed doughty. Second I never said Landry wouldn't be bad because I knew he would be out. If you didn't realize this Vaoutlaws2006 it takes [B]2 [/B]safties to have a great secondary. ie Sean Taylor Laron Landry last year.
So I have [B]2[/B] words for you [B]DOESN'T MATTER !![/B][/quote]

got one word for you [B]MORON! [/B]had you referred to who you were talking about i would have understood but you left that part out.

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[quote=Stacks42;467253]
I really think that after J. Taylor went down, all the other starter just went into self protection mode. Just don't get hurt, this game is basically just a practice.[/quote]
That's exactly what my thought was. I was at the game and most of the fans (myself included) and players were watching Jason Taylor instead of the game when Carolina scored (BTW, I thought they were getting rid of the stupid roar after TD's! It's the dumbest thing in a professional sports arena!). From that point on the defensive players went to two-hand touch trying to keep from making contact and getting hurt in a preseason game.
That being said, the offense was offensive. I'm not sure if they were confused, out hustled or just sucked.
I also think it irritated the Panters players to see their stadium with 40% of the fans for the opposition.

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It was definately much more painful to watch live.

VAO2006... by the time I sent you that text, I was laughing. I couldn't help it. I'm not ready to call for anyone's head yet. It'll take a few games into the regular season before I really get concerned. When you've been a fan for 26 years, nothing really surprises me anymore. That's one of the reasons I never make predictions about anything concerning this team.

For those who were there, how was your walk out of the stadium? Mine wasn't too bad. Just a few jeers. I think it's mainly because Panther fans are just lazy.

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bring back arrington

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[quote=Lady Brave;467431]It was definately much more painful to watch live.

VAO2006... by the time I sent you that text, I was laughing. I couldn't help it. I'm not ready to call for anyone's head yet. It'll take a few games into the regular season before I really get concerned. When you've been a fan for 26 years, nothing really surprises me anymore. That's one of the reasons I never make predictions about anything concerning this team.

For those who were there, how was your walk out of the stadium? Mine wasn't too bad. Just a few jeers. I think it's mainly because Panther fans are just lazy.[/quote]

when fox challenged the spot when it was 44-3 i almost got into it with some panther fans....but the ultimate jeer was when i left and the usher just outside the north elevator said....dont you think its time to take that redskin hat off...i said i ll take it off after you get done sucking my you know what....lol!!!!! sorry i missed you at picasso's

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[QUOTE=squrrelco3;467260]Well, they didn't show it on TV but supposedly Jim Zorn's head nearly exploded after that third sack on Campbell and he gave Bugel and earful...[/QUOTE]

Well, that'd be a shame considering all that Bugel has done for this team and what he's gone through this past week. Maybe he was just yelling in Bugel's direction, and not at Bugel.

Without Bugel really into it the last couple of weeks, you can clearly see that the offensive line seems totally lost. Which to an extent is understandable because Bugel is like a father figure to them. To another extent it's inexcusable when you consider that the two senior members of the team are the anchors of our offensive line-Samuels and Jansen-and they should have taken it upon themselves to take charge of that line on and off the field.

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[quote=vaoutlaws2006;467423]got one word for you [B]MORON! [/B]had you referred to who you were talking about i would have understood but you left that part out.[/quote]

alright come on that really wasn't necessary

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[quote=SmootSmack;467456]Well, that'd be a shame considering all that Bugel has done for this team and what he's gone through this past week. Maybe he was just yelling in Bugel's direction, and not at Bugel.

Without Bugel really into it the last couple of weeks, you can clearly see that the offensive line seems totally lost. Which to an extent is understandable because Bugel is like a father figure to them. To another extent it's inexcusable when you consider that the two senior members of the team are the anchors of our offensive line-Samuels and Jansen-and they should have taken it upon themselves to take charge of that line on and off the field.[/quote]

I'm starting to think that Jansen simply can't play anymore. I think he's done.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;467462]I'm starting to think that Jansen simply can't play anymore. I think he's done.[/QUOTE]

Week one of the preseason, the HOF game, I thought "Ok, this is a veteran coming off of major surgery playing in a minor game. Let's not worry about his lackluster performance." As the weeks have passed though, it is a bit more disconcerting.

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I've been avoiding the sports news all day because I went out of town and had the game taped today,just finished watching it,WOW!!,what a shocker
I'm trying not to get too upset about it,tgip.The thing most concerning to me was off and def line play,just terrible.Nobody really looked like they came to play,even Rock on the kickoff returns looked like he was playing not to get hurt,he looked very slow,not trying to hit the holes.Hard to judge Jc with no protection.The def needs Landry back quick.Even though we beat the jets Favre pretty much did whatever he wanted against us,defense has got to step it up.I'm going to try and go the pos route and hope this is a wakeup call.I seem to recall the first yr of Spurriers preseason team of us just rolling over people,I thought we were going to be really good,we know how that turned out.Sometimes preseason is an indicator of how good your going to be,sometimes its not,right now we just dont know.I think were looking at 8-8 realistically,if some breaks go our way 10-6.The off line already looks terrible,if we suffer any major injuries along it I think we'll be lucky to be .500

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Huh.

I only saw bits and pieces of the game, but I saw enough of it (and read enough analysis about it the last 24 hours) to know our lines on both side of the ball aren't playing anywhere near pro football caliber. I'm surprised about the d-line and really can't think of anything to say there... [B]but holy shit this situation w/ the o-line has become a travesty. I can't believe it's not the main topic on the board right now.[/B] Jansen's continued presence on the field (even on the sideline) seems almost conspiratorial. I don't think there is another team out there that would even give him the league min. Why am I picking specifically on JJ? I have faith that the other guys on the o-line can at least play at an avg level and give us a friggin shot (three of them played well through most of last year and no way can talent drop off so quickly). But for the love of all that is decent Jansen has looked like shit every time he's taken the field for two seasons now (at least when the frail man has been able to take the field). He's a guy who's been outspoken about never taking care of himself, and his performance clearly proves it.

In fact, I'm just shocked at this point that JC will actually take the field w/ Jansen in the line-up. I feel bad enough for the poor kid getting f'd damn near every season w/ a new offensive scheme to learn but the same smallish receivers that have not consistently delivered, but now he's got to sit back there knowing at least one side of the line is going to collapse during every series. This is not how a franchise produces an elite QB.

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[quote=Mattyk72;467460]alright come on that really wasn't necessary[/quote]


no i guess it wasnt....my apologies.

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[quote=over the mountain;467270]In my opinion campbell has always locked on to his primary receiver and not shown the ability or confidence to read defenses and check down to another receiver before his 2.9 seconds are up. this being said campbell has great pocket presence and will get better. thats one of the reasons we brought zorn on board.

i dont have to "hope" its preseason, it WAS a preseason game lol! (i know what you meant thoo, just couldnt resist)

go skins!!

we will be an 8-8 team give or take a game (and a suisham kick) and will yet again need to go on a run in the end to push into the playoffs. our D dictates our success and we have pretty much the same squad as last year.[/quote]
Do you really believe JC has great pocket presence. I think thats one of his biggest problems. Its like he is never aware that a sack is coming or that he needs to move out of the pocket to buy time and just stands there until he gets hit. Thats one of the reasons he fumbles so many times while just standing in the pocket.

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[quote=squrrelco3;467249]No that's not good because that means we might actually keep him and see him shanking punts all over the place again this year...lol[/quote]
Frost has shanked some punts in the past but I feel he has improved each year and he has hit some nice punts this year.

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[quote=firstdown;467511]Do you really believe JC has great pocket presence. I think thats one of his biggest problems. Its like he is never aware that a sack is coming or that he needs to move out of the pocket to buy time and just stands there until he gets hit. Thats one of the reasons he fumbles so many times while just standing in the pocket.[/quote]

Yep, yep... and yep! ...

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[QUOTE=Daseal;467207]I'm with Beem. Last night was a terrible showing by this team, and I think it's naive to brush off getting demolished as easily as you do. The fact is we game planned, played 21 of 22 starters and got destroyed. The offense was terrible, our O line looks really bad. Jansen keeps getting worked over on a regular basis.

The starting defense did okay in the red zone. The problem was, the Panthers seemed to score before they got inside the 20. When we were backed up we were giving up FGs, but we were letting big plays happen regularly.

Is it the end of the world? Absolutely not. Is it something we, as fans, should be very concerned about? Absolutely. I remember 2006 everyone on this site crying about how preseason didn't matter as we were getting demolished and not doing simple things. The season resembled the preseason. I hope that isn't true this year.[/QUOTE]

you took the words right out of my mouth..i had a flashback of 2006 myself and that was scary in itself right there.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;467511]Do you really believe JC has great pocket presence. I think thats one of his biggest problems. Its like he is never aware that a sack is coming or that he needs to move out of the pocket to buy time and just stands there until he gets hit. Thats one of the reasons he fumbles so many times while just standing in the pocket.[/QUOTE]

well i agree with you that campbell could roll out of the pocket more but from what ive observed of him and read from alot of you all here is that campbell does not get flustered or takes his eyes from down field when things are going on around him. as the experts call it "pocket presence". now that will cause him getting sacked more (and losing fumbles like we saw for a stretch last year) but it also allows him to hang tough in the pocket and make plays whereas brunnell would have thrown the ball into the stands already.

yes campbell holds onto the ball too long and waits till the receiver is open (which may be a prob with the WC off) but i thought a quarterback hanging tough in the pocket and not throwing the ball away was a good thing comparatively?

campbell is not perfect but id take him over half the nfl starters in the league. IF ONLY HE COULD LEARN TO READ A FREAKIN DEFENSE AND CHECK OFF TO HIS SECOND OPTION!!!! (i now know what im asking santa claus for xmas)

go skins!!

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[quote=redsk1;467388]My first post since the game last night...

That was about as bad a performance as I've seen in a long time. Maybe the Patriots game last year compares, but the Patriots had one of the best offenses ever.

There's no need for positives, b/c there was none. Maybe the punter, but that's about it.

Can we rebound? Sure. Do I have major concerns about the offense? Yes. [B]We haven't had one of our draft choices show any signs of being able to contribute during the regular season yet.[/B] That just leaves us, SM and ARE. I'm not sold on them getting it done.

Do I have major concerns about our D? Yes. I like Greg Blache but he hasn't proven he's of the Gregg Williams caliber yet.

This is after watching the first three preseason games. We just have a lot of question marks still. Of course, last night was about as close to live bullets as possible and we bombed. I'm not bailing but I do have major concerns.[/quote]

Are you referring specifically to the wr's? If so, you're right, otherwise I disagree - Davis has looked good, and Rinehart might get some serious consideration for a starting job as the season progresses.

I know you weren't referring to the D, but the draft picks on that side of the ball have looked about as good as anyone could reasonably expect.

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[quote=over the mountain;467544]well i agree with you that campbell could roll out of the pocket more but from what ive observed of him and read from alot of you all here is that campbell does not get flustered or takes his eyes from down field when things are going on around him. as the experts call it "pocket presence". now that will cause him getting sacked more (and losing fumbles like we saw for a stretch last year) but it also allows him to hang tough in the pocket and make plays whereas brunnell would have thrown the ball into the stands already.

yes campbell holds onto the ball too long and waits till the receiver is open (which may be a prob with the WC off) but i thought a quarterback hanging tough in the pocket and not throwing the ball away was a good thing comparatively?

campbell is not perfect but id take him over half the nfl starters in the league. IF ONLY HE COULD LEARN TO READ A FREAKIN DEFENSE AND CHECK OFF TO HIS SECOND OPTION!!!! (i now know what im asking santa claus for xmas)

go skins!![/quote]
Well I don't look at pocket presense as a guy who seems to ignore everything around him and then take a sack or loose the ball while trying to throw. I like the fact he can focuse down field but he needs to look around some and find an open WR. At some point he has to move or throw the ball away and stop taking sacks or putting the ball on the ground. He is in a new system so I'm giving him some room but some of these mistakes are ones that he has always made.

Re: Hey, the sun did rise this morning!
 

[quote=Beemnseven;467205]Things went smoothly on the first day of the Titanic's cruise, too. [/quote]


Spurrier already sunk the ship for us. This won't be a team anything like Spurrier's.