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Hog1 08-08-2008 12:39 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
If you listen to his comments, is Portis trying to send a subtle message to JZ..............Coach, I know what's best, AND Clinton will let you know when it's time?

mmil12 08-08-2008 01:16 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
[QUOTE=Hog1;462826]If you listen to his comments, is Portis trying to send a subtle message to JZ..............Coach, I know what's best, AND Clinton will let you know when it's time?[/QUOTE]


Hog1 - If he is sending that message, then he needs to KNOW HIS ROLE!

Paintrain 08-08-2008 01:22 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
I had to vote yes merely for the fact that Portis needs to get some reps and build some stamina. 3 carries this week, maybe 5 next week, 10 the following week and then rest him before the opener.

SkinzzFan 08-08-2008 01:27 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
Come on guys, he needs his rest. Those Eastern Motors commercials can really wear a guy down. Unbelievable they would even ASK him to play football. This Zorn guy has a lot of nerve! LOL.

Seriously though, Clinton Portis is starting to give me tired-head.

That Guy 08-08-2008 01:45 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
man he whines a lot. apparently it's cool for every other start to play in preseason, but it's criminal to expect him to held to the same standard...

Hog1 08-08-2008 02:27 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
[quote=mmil12;462846]Hog1 - If he is sending that message, then he needs to KNOW HIS ROLE![/quote]

I would AGREE with you 100%. I think he is saying that. Like ........well Coach Joe2 let me pull myself out of the game when I was tired, etc.
I also think JZ is quietly letting him know, there is a new sheriff in town son.

GoSkins! 08-08-2008 02:44 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
I wonder how many people who voted he shouldn't play would be complaining if the running game starts out slow this year. How many people might say they are not using CP right or that the coach doesn't have a feel for the player...

Bushead 08-08-2008 02:49 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
Why not sit out Santana Moss because he's run all of these routes before, and it's just a vanilla defense?

No. Portis needs to get in there and run just a few times. I'm not asking a whole game or even a quater. Just go out there and get mentally prepared for the games.

MTK 08-08-2008 03:17 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
The difference is timing and chemistry between WRs and a QB is important. A RB doesn't depend on that same sort of thing.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 08-08-2008 03:28 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
[QUOTE=Mattyk72;462877]The difference is timing and chemistry between WRs and a QB is important. A RB doesn't depend on that same sort of thing.[/QUOTE]

Good point and I don't care if he sits or plays, but I do care about whining in public or to other players. He's asking for the kins of superstar treatment that rubs me the wrong way.

jdlea 08-08-2008 03:38 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
[QUOTE=GoSkins!;462871]I wonder how many people who voted he shouldn't play would be complaining if the running game starts out slow this year. How many people might say they are not using CP right or that the coach doesn't have a feel for the player...[/QUOTE]

Let's look at the other side of the coin, what if he gets hurt, then what is everyone who said he should be in there going to say?

I don't really think there's a right or wrong answer. I'm of the opinion that he doesn't need to be out there risking injury. I would prefer he just hit season ready to go. Let him get his reps in practice.

rugged d 08-08-2008 04:15 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
the dude gets paid a salary a damn good salary at that run your little couple of plays and shut the hell up that what i say

rugged d 08-08-2008 04:25 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
[url=http://comcastsportsnet.tv/pages/player?feedID=296&vidID=1546&startclip=1&dord=mr]comcastsportsnet.tv - player[/url]




i think it was taken out of context

jdlea 08-08-2008 04:43 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
[QUOTE=rugged d;462892]the dude gets paid a salary a damn good salary at that run your little couple of plays and shut the hell up that what i say[/QUOTE]

Interesting fact: (not that this is an argument one way or the other) Football players don't get paid other than their scheduled and game checks. Game checks don't include preseason.

(I'm like 95% sure that statement is accurate and don't feel like looking it up)

Darrell_Green_28 08-08-2008 05:01 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
Then what if all the vets said im not playing a preseason game. I see both sides. Im sure theres some pass protection packages and other things that are different the he could use a little work on.. maybe a series or so.

GoSkins! 08-08-2008 05:11 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
[quote=jdlea;462882]Let's look at the other side of the coin, what if he gets hurt, then what is everyone who said he should be in there going to say?

I don't really think there's a right or wrong answer. I'm of the opinion that he doesn't need to be out there risking injury. I would prefer he just hit season ready to go. Let him get his reps in practice.[/quote]

yeah... that type of comment had already been made and was what I was already responding to.

Yes, of course he could get hurt, just like any other player. But the coaches need to evaluate if their fundamental plays are going to work with the first string guys during the pre-season. Pre-season is a real part of getting ready for the regular season. Even Peyton Manning plays in pre-season and it is important enough that they may even play him [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3500765"]THIS pre-season[/URL].

Playing starters in pre-season is not a unique concept. CP needs to stop acting like he is above it. I don't mind him privately hating it. I'm sure I would too. BUT, he shouldn't act like pre-season shouldn't apply to him. I want guys who are always hungry to play football and the coach has to hold them back... Like Rock or Thrash or even Tom Brady or Brett Favre. Have an attitude and love the game!

SBXVII 08-08-2008 05:23 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
I think Portis needs to get his head out of his ass. He as always said he hates preseason due to possible injuries. Then he goes on the radio and says it takes him atleast 2-4 games to get back into stride. Then he tells the coach's ..." Hey if you need me this weekend I'm there for you." Now he's acting like ....Why am I going in...for the media? the fans?

Portis unless you are someone with multiple personalities ....shut up. Your paid millions to play a game. If you get hurt you still get paid more then the average Joe. If your body can't take the pounding anymore then maybe it's time to hang up the cleats and allow someone else to step up.

freddyg12 08-08-2008 05:26 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
Though I posted earlier that he should play, I'm a little surprised at how upset some people here are! I figure it's just him whining a little, but when it comes down to it, will do what he's told.

He needs to just be smart, he got hurt in 06 cause he body slammed a dude after an int. No need to do that in a reg. season game if you can tackle him square, much less in a preseason game!

I think he knows he screwed up there, but still blames it on simply playing. I ain't mad at him though, I just think he needs to get some work w/the first team so the O can get used to each other.

SBXVII 08-08-2008 05:51 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
Lets see...Gibbs was brought in in when....2004? Potis was injured when a yr later or two. So he knew the offense and blocking schemes. He could afford to sit out perhaps. He knew his running lanes and how the blocking was supposed to take place.

Now we have a whole new offense. Yes they have said they will keep the same running game but I have wondered if they have tinkered with it and changed anything. Plus, Portis needs to know where to block when the play gets changed from a running play to a pass play or perhaps a roll out.

I have always found it funny how players will state they should not be playing in preseason. Why? So they can start the regular season not having indured any bumps or bruises. Walk out there cold and get hammered and have an injury? Whether you add 1 game or 10 games to preseason someone may get hurt. If he's playing with all the starters then these are the same players on both teams that don't want to get injured so no one will be trying to take someones head off to make the team.

Perhaps he should be more concerned about if the team has a legitimate back up so he can take breaks now and then so he won't be pounded all yr and through the play off if they make it.

LandrySlice 08-08-2008 06:26 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
he dosen't need any snaps entering his 7th season

mooby 08-08-2008 07:03 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
I think Portis should play, just not much. He needs some time in a real game environment to get ready for the season. And it's not like he'll be playing an entire game, or an entire half, for that matter. Just a few series and then he'll be done.

Beemnseven 08-08-2008 07:14 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
I'll say just what I said when I called in to the Sports Reporters on ESPN 980 this afternoon -- the risk of getting injured in a worthless preseason game is far greater than "not being ready" come Sept. 4th (which I don't believe for one minute). If he's "not ready" for the Giants, 5-10 plays in two or three exhibition games isn't going to change that.

Ultimately, the preseason is for discovering bloodthirsty rookies who can make the roster -- not for six-year veterans.

SBXVII 08-08-2008 07:40 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
I belive it's also to learn any new offenses, and......build endurance. 4 games with 4 quarters...which means starters should be playing ...IMHO....1st quarter 1st game, 2 quarters for 2nd game and so on until the last game where they should be playing or be able to play 4 quarters. but....usually the last game is to decide who stays on the team and who gets cut so basically the last game for starters is almost a waste. That leaves 3 games the starters need to build on what they have so Zorn can play the crap out of the rookies come game 4.

The Goat 08-08-2008 07:43 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
If the rushing attack really hasn't changed under Zorn then I don't see the need for CP to take a snap during preseason; however, if he is going to take some work then it ought to be w/ the first team o-line only. I say this because the reserves, especially 3rd stringers, are way more likely to miss a cue, a block, take a misstep or do something else that [I]could[/I] lead to an injury to the RB.

Second, I think Betts should take a shit load of carries. Thing about him is that he needs to develop some rhythm for the season to be successful, and if CP gets injured at some point it'll help that Betts has a ton of touches. After that I'd just run Mason to see how much he can take.

(I'm sick of watching Rock as a RB, no offense to Rock fan group).

SmootSmack 08-08-2008 07:48 PM

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[QUOTE=rugged d;462893][url=http://comcastsportsnet.tv/pages/player?feedID=296&vidID=1546&startclip=1&dord=mr]comcastsportsnet.tv - player[/url]




i think it was taken out of context[/QUOTE]

just wanted to bump this up

724Skinsfan 08-08-2008 08:35 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
If coach Z, (ugh! reminds me of Dr. Z) says "Clinton, take some pre-season reps."; then he needs to take some reps. The coach is always right. However, all that aside, I think Clinton brings a very special talent to our team and shouldn't run unless the game is meaningful. Plenty of RB's come into a "new system" or new team year in and year out and many of them perform fine. Clinton is finding his groove and knowing his lanes during practise. Pre-season may get him slightly better prepared for game speed conditions, but any athlete knows that when the whistle blows you are in game speed from the get-go.

So, after all that, I say "No" Clinton should not play in the pre-season unless there are a couple of specific plays that Zorn needs to see that he can run with confidence against the Giants in week 1.

ChillWill 08-08-2008 11:24 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
He's a prima donna. When did he become bigger than the team. Did Riggo sit out the preseason? There's a new sherrif in town. Suit up and play Clinton.

ChillWill 08-08-2008 11:25 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
I'd rather sit-out Santana Moss. He's more critical to the offense than Clinton.

Smooter 08-08-2008 11:43 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
[QUOTE=ChillWill;462947]I'd rather sit-out Santana Moss. He's more critical to the offense than Clinton.[/QUOTE]

Joke?

hesscl34 08-09-2008 12:21 AM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
I've thought a lot about this before posting and I think Porits was just being Portis. He doesn't want to risk injury and he doesn't want to not give it his all and he dosen't want to look like as ass either. He's being him.. make him play and he'll play at 100 percent.. there's no other Portis. To me this is all about ego.. and that sums up Clinton Portis.

dmek25 08-09-2008 08:08 AM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
if Mason has it, and could make the team, why not show case Betts. with the possibility of trading him? im not sure what the market would be. but he has shown he can carry the load. and has a really manageable salary

Smooter 08-09-2008 08:34 AM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
[QUOTE=dmek25;462967]if Mason has it, and could make the team, why not show case Betts. with the possibility of trading him? im not sure what the market would be. but he has shown he can carry the load. and has a really manageable salary[/QUOTE]

Thats not a bad idea. I'd like to see Mason against tougher defenses first, but I like that idea. Seems we're getting a little full on RBs.

724Skinsfan 08-09-2008 08:48 AM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
[quote=hesscl34;462956]I've thought a lot about this before posting and I think Porits was just being Portis. He doesn't want to risk injury and he doesn't want to not give it his all and he dosen't want to look like as ass either. He's being him.. [B]make him play and he'll play at 100 percent[/B].. there's no other Portis. To me this is all about ego.. and that sums up Clinton Portis.[/quote]


Good post., especially the bolded part. Portis is a gamer. He has two speed settngs: stop and go. Ask him to play and he'll moan and groan but he'll play.

hagams 08-09-2008 03:50 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
I kinda see where he's coming from with the injuries we've had in the past. If I recall correctly he's gearing up for a big season because he going to run "with that chip on his shoulder again".
On the other hand, you are not special. If we are going to risk our starting QB to get some snaps, get your butt out there and run some people over.

MPNRedskins 08-09-2008 07:19 PM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
You're a pro. Suck it up and play. I love watching Portis. I've been a fan of his since he was at the U. I understand about not wanting to get injured in preseason, but I have to agree with Hagams. If Campbell is going to get some reps and possibly get hit, you need to do the same.

Cowell 08-10-2008 02:07 AM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
[QUOTE=MPNRedskins;463061]You're a pro. Suck it up and play. I love watching Portis. I've been a fan of his since he was at the U. I understand about not wanting to get injured in preseason, but I have to agree with Hagams. If Campbell is going to get some reps and possibly get hit, you need to do the same.[/QUOTE]

I think even though Campbell and most of the first string offense are taking reps, that doesen't necessarily mean that Clinton should too. First, running back's bodies take more of a toll than any other position on the field, therefore the risk of injury is very high. Second, Clinton has nothing to prove. He will not have a problem entering the offense and gelling when the season starts. For Clinton, preseason really is meaningless, we need him fresh when it matters.

mheisig 08-10-2008 08:45 AM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
I'm far more concerned about his ridiculously poor grammar and inability to put together a coherent sentence.

I love the guy, I love his sense of humor, I love his play on the field and I really don't care if he practices or not as long as he performs when it counts, but sometimes I need a damn translator to figure out what the guy is saying.

over the mountain 08-10-2008 09:16 AM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
[QUOTE=Beemnseven;462916]I'll say just what I said when I called in to the Sports Reporters on ESPN 980 this afternoon -- the risk of getting injured in a worthless preseason game is far greater than "not being ready" come Sept. 4th (which I don't believe for one minute). If he's "not ready" for the Giants, 5-10 plays in two or three exhibition games isn't going to change that.

Ultimately, the preseason is for discovering bloodthirsty rookies who can make the roster -- not for six-year veterans.[/QUOTE]

i agree that portis doesnt need to prove anything, ect but you cant create "game speed" in practice which i imagine takes at least a half to get used to. last night was good to see him out there with his 1st string teammates but i thought he played too long.

go skins!

Boston Brave 08-10-2008 09:18 AM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
I like Portis and want him fresh for the regular season, however he must get his reps like everyone else.

HateNMyEyez 08-10-2008 10:40 AM

Re: Portis to play Saturday - he doesn't seem too happy about it
 
portis doesnt really need too many reps tho, betts looked good tho


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