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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;424145]What do we like about Wilford? That he's tall?[/QUOTE]

If that was all there was to him, he'd have gone the way of Darnerian McCants.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;424162]If that was all there was to him, he'd have gone the way of Darnerian McCants.[/QUOTE]

So what's great about him then?

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Well, I never said he was a "[I]great[/I]" wide receiver. I'd welcome the addition of him to our roster. Though I've dismissed the importance of tall wide receivers in the past, I can see how it might give us an advantage we haven't had at the position in some time.

Above all else, the evidence points to an underperforming wideout corps in Washington for the past few years. If for no other reason that our receivers could use a shakeup, Wilford would also give Jason Campbell a target that provides great contrast to the 5-11 and under WRs he's been relegated to. Maybe Jason needs a different type of receiver to reach another level of success?

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[quote=DC52;424154]I think training camp is very optimistic for Rocky considering the injury he had. If you offer him the right price Briggs would come he for a year but it would be a ton of $$$.[/quote]Uh...salary cap?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;424170]Well, I never said he was a "[I]great[/I]" wide receiver. I'd welcome the addition of him to our roster. Though I've dismissed the importance of tall wide receivers in the past, I can see how it might give us an advantage we haven't had at the position in some time.

Above all else, the evidence points to an underperforming wideout corps in Washington for the past few years. If for no other reason that our receivers could use a shakeup, Wilford would also give Jason Campbell a target that provides great contrast to the 5-11 and under WRs he's been relegated to. Maybe Jason needs a different type of receiver to reach another level of success?[/QUOTE]

Ok, I guess I was (still am) a bit unclear on what made Wilford so special that it warranted moving El down to 4th/5th on the depth chart or even off the team. What has he done in his career that Randle El hasn't?

Speaking of tall receivers, you think Billy McMullen will do anything? He's been kind of a bust so far in his career but he does have WCO experience. Personally, I'm not holding out high hopes for him. I'm on the Burl Toler bandwagon :) or maybe the Maurice Mann bandwagon :)

Seriously though, I still like Reche (though not as a #1)

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;424175]Ok, I guess I was (still am) a bit unclear on what made Wilford so special that it warranted moving El down to 4th/5th on the depth chart or even off the team. What has he done in his career that Randle El hasn't?

Speaking of tall receivers, you think Billy McMullen will do anything? He's been kind of a bust so far in his career but he does have WCO experience. Personally, I'm not holding out high hopes for him. I'm on the Burl Toler bandwagon :) or maybe the Maurice Mann bandwagon :)

Seriously though, I still like Reche (though not as a #1)[/QUOTE]

I'll have to check out Toler and Mann (I've got lots of work to do familiarizing myself with all these new prospects).

I guess I've lost patience with Randle El. When we signed him up in '06, I always referred to him as the Lexus when a Camry would have done just fine. We had decent special teams last year, and he never did find the endzone or provide any sort of spark on returns. I can't tell you how many times during the past season I found myself saying, "boy, we could sure use a big return from Randle El here" -- but it never materialized. And yes, I understand the cap hit we would take if he were released, so that's not going to happen. I just don't think there would be that big of a difference in actual on-field production if he were somehow no longer on the roster.

McMullen is a Virginia boy, so he's OK in my book. I like Reche too. He came up for us big in some spots last year.

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[quote=Beemnseven;424134]Well, he's producing at about the rate of a "depth" guy. 51 receptions for 728 yards and 1 touchdown?

Honestly, the Redskins could cut him and there wouldn't be that much of a difference on the field.[/quote]

He may be producing like a depth guy, but he is being paid like a #2 WR. Most #2's in the league don't make as much as Randle El.

And if you cut him, all you do is add to the dead money that is a majority of the salary cap overage.

Kinda of like a divorce. You want it, you need it, but can't afford it.

"It's cheaper to keep'er"

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[quote=DC52;424148]Briggs arrival wouldn't mean Rocky's being benched. McIntosh at best would be back to play a few games next year. Let him work his way back up and sign Briggs to a one year deal so he will be leaving at the time Rocky's ready to come back at full starting strength. Wilford and Johnson wouldn't be a waste. Their size and soft hands could be very useful in the redzones or when we need a clutch catch. I'm not say Moss and Randle El are better or worse but I do remember their size being an issue at one time and they each dropped some catchable balls when we really needed a big play this past season. A little depth and more options never hurt a WR corp.[/quote]

are you kidding? sign briggs to a one year deal? that's about 180 degrees away from what he's looking for and he'd NEVER accept that. why do you think he's making such a huge deal about not wanting to be franchised?

wilford hasn't proven he's any better than what we have. and yes, depth at that price (4 WRs averaging 6mill a year, another making at least 3mill) would kill our ability to do much else with the roster.

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[quote=Beemnseven;424179]I'll have to check out Toler and Mann (I've got lots of work to do familiarizing myself with all these new prospects).

I guess I've lost patience with Randle El. When we signed him up in '06, I always referred to him as the Lexus when a Camry would have done just fine. We had decent special teams last year, and he never did find the endzone or provide any sort of spark on returns. I can't tell you how many times during the past season I found myself saying, "boy, we could sure use a big return from Randle El here" -- but it never materialized. And yes, I understand the cap hit we would take if he were released, so that's not going to happen. I just don't think there would be that big of a difference in actual on-field production if he were somehow no longer on the roster.

McMullen is a Virginia boy, so he's OK in my book. I like Reche too. He came up for us big in some spots last year.[/quote]

you realize we bid against ourselves on el, and gave him a 6 year 31mill deal when chicago only offered him a 3 year 8mill deal right?

he's probably the best #3 WR in the league, but he's a lower end #2. it's not his fault he got overpaid though.

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Well, this is probably more dream than realistic but...

I'd like to see how much Jake Scott (Colts) would set us back and of course...

I wouldn't be me if I didn't say let's go after Justin Smith! He's not the greatest pass rusher (though he's underrated in that regard) but he is (in my opinion) one of the most versatile every down defensive linemen in the league. He can play the run and the pass effectively well. You could even slide him into a DT role on some plays. Someone like Smith can really free things up for the defense to make plays.

Lance Briggs is a tempting option but I think maybe we should take a look at Calvin Pace. The big question marks with him of course are what exactly is he (DE or LB?) and were his 2007 numbers because it was a contract year?

Draftwise, I'm pretty torn. My general beliefs are pretty consistent (focus on getting a DB and line depth) but the players tend to vary. Today, I'll say 1st round-DB Antoine Cason, 2nd round-OT Mike McGlynn, 3rd round-WR Earl Bennett, 5th round-DT Marcus Harrison, 6th round-Another Guard, 7th round-Some QB (Erik Ainge? first name that came to mind)

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;424202]Well, this is probably more dream than realistic but...

I'd like to see how much Jake Scott (Colts) would set us back and of course...

I wouldn't be me if I didn't say let's go after Justin Smith! He's not the greatest pass rusher (though he's underrated in that regard) but he is (in my opinion) one of the most versatile every down defensive linemen in the league. He can play the run and the pass effectively well. You could even slide him into a DT role on some plays. Someone like Smith can really free things up for the defense to make plays.

Lance Briggs is a tempting option but I think maybe we should take a look at Calvin Pace. The big question marks with him of course are what exactly is he (DE or LB?) and were his 2007 numbers because it was a contract year?

Draftwise, I'm pretty torn. My general beliefs are pretty consistent (focus on getting a DB and line depth) but the players tend to vary. Today, I'll say 1st round-DB Antoine Cason, 2nd round-OT Mike McGlynn, 3rd round-WR Earl Bennett, 5th round-DT Marcus Harrison, 6th round-Another Guard, 7th round-Some QB (Erik Ainge? first name that came to mind)[/QUOTE]

are u kidding me, Calvin Pace? who, we don't need another marcus washington. Antoine Cason, c'mon bro, u can do better than that, maybe in the 2nd round but not the 1st. there are about 5 CB's better than him: Aqib Cromartie, Jenkins, Flowers and the dude from Troy, then Cason. Earl Bennett had less than 10 touchdowns in his carrer at Vanderbilt. And Justin Smith is not available. screw Ainge too, lets start developing the most accurate quarterback in this years draft, Colt Brennen. I sure hope your dream remains just that.

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[QUOTE=mauiRedskinbarn;424204]are u kidding me, Calvin Pace? who, we don't need another marcus washington. Antoine Cason, c'mon bro, u can do better than that, maybe in the 2nd round but not the 1st. there are about 5 CB's better than him: Aqib Cromartie, Jenkins, Flowers and the dude from Troy, then Cason. Earl Bennett had less than 10 touchdowns in his carrer at Vanderbilt. And Justin Smith is not available. screw Ainge too, lets start developing the most accurate quarterback in this years draft, Colt Brennen. I sure hope your dream remains just that.[/QUOTE]

At times, it seems that Marcus Washington has lost a step or two. Injuries have slowed him down a bit, so it might be a good idea to groom his eventual replacement. Getting a hybrid LB/DE in his mold could be on the list of needs, but a bit further down from O-line help, secondary, and wide receiver.

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[QUOTE=mauiRedskinbarn;424204]are u kidding me, Calvin Pace? who, we don't need another marcus washington. Antoine Cason, c'mon bro, u can do better than that, maybe in the 2nd round but not the 1st. there are about 5 CB's better than him: Aqib Cromartie, Jenkins, Flowers and the dude from Troy, then Cason. Earl Bennett had less than 10 touchdowns in his carrer at Vanderbilt. And Justin Smith is not available. screw Ainge too, lets start developing the most accurate quarterback in this years draft, Colt Brennen. I sure hope your dream remains just that.[/QUOTE]

Marcus Washington wasn't bad when we first got him

I think Cason would be one of the top DBs available left when we draft. If one of the others mentioned above is there sure, but they all may be taken by then

I know Earl Bennett doesn't have a lot of TDs but that doesn't mean he's not a good prospect for the middle rounds

Since when is Justin Smith not available?

Ainge was just a name I threw out there as a 7th round pick. SEVENTH ROUND.

Why am I arguing with the same person who has said we need LaVar back (I really hope you were joking) and suggested we trade Betts for PacMan Jones, Jacob Bell, and Antwan Odom?

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[quote=That Guy;424199]you realize we bid against ourselves on el, and gave him a 6 year 31mill deal when chicago only offered him a 3 year 8mill deal right?

he's probably the best #3 WR in the league, but he's a lower end #2. it's not his fault he got overpaid though.[/quote]

Haha, best #3 in the league, im pretty sure chris wilson beat him out for the 2 spot in pitt, and wilson is my definition of an average number 3.

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If all we're looking for is a tall WR just stick with developing Mix.

Wilford is very mediocre.

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If all you are looking for is a tall WR, go get a 7-foot center from a basketball program. Sound stupid? Of course it does. Tall is only one thing that can make a receiver any good.

Randle-El is NOT the best #3 receiver in the NFL. Consider that the Pats start Moss, Stallworth, Welker. I don't care who the #3 for the Pats is, Randle-El can't carry the jock-strap of whomever you put in that #3 role.

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Well I have been checking this site out for months, and as you can see by my posts im a cherry....But was not sure how to post this but cnnsi is reporting Dante Hall and the Falcons are entertaing trade offers, he said he would not play next year with only a year remaining on his contract without a long term deal. I think this guy is a beast, no stranger to the area, and DS would give him the Cash and the long term contract he seeks...Any thoughts

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[quote=NIKNIK_28;424272]Well I have been checking this site out for months, and as you can see by my posts im a cherry....But was not sure how to post this but cnnsi is reporting Dante Hall and the Falcons are entertaing trade offers, he said he would not play next year with only a year remaining on his contract without a long term deal. I think this guy is a beast, no stranger to the area, and DS would give him the Cash and the long term contract he seeks...Any thoughts[/quote]

Got a link? I can't find the article on Hall at CNNSI.COM

Hall is another head case. He has always been very confrontational with the coaches. I seem to remember him getting into some trouble for a shouting match with the coach this season.

He's got skills, no doubt. But his mouth can sometimes get in the way of common sense.

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sorry im not sure how to post links but if you go to cnnsi and click on truth and rumors on the right under NFL its there

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I must say after reading all this. Some of you think becoming Offseason Champions is the way to go. We have 21 starters back. We just need a few key plugs and insert some youth to develop we don't need an overhaul. We are 9-7 with our best Offensive lineman injured, a solid OT injured, a back-up QB, a starting LB and CB injured, and only one half of area 51.

Adding a DT, some good youth to the Oline and Dline as backups, maybe a LG upgrade, a temporary starting LB, a playmaker in the secondary, and a BIG receiver is all we need.

Those needs can easily be filled, we don't have to go out and pick up every FA.

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[QUOTE=mauiRedskinbarn;424204]are u kidding me, Calvin Pace? who, we don't need another marcus washington. Antoine Cason, c'mon bro, u can do better than that, maybe in the 2nd round but not the 1st. there are about 5 CB's better than him: Aqib Cromartie, Jenkins, Flowers and the dude from Troy, then Cason. Earl Bennett had less than 10 touchdowns in his carrer at Vanderbilt. And Justin Smith is not available. screw Ainge too, lets start developing the most accurate quarterback in this years draft, Colt Brennen. I sure hope your dream remains just that.[/QUOTE]

By the way I just noticed you said less than 10 TDs in his career at Vandy for Bennett. Where are you getting your info from? He had around 20 TDs over his 3 year Commodore career.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;424338]By the way I just noticed you said less than 10 TDs in his career at Vandy for Bennett. Where are you getting your info from? He had around 20 TDs over his 3 year Commodore career.[/QUOTE]

Bennet from Vandy is perhaps the #2-3 WR coming out of the SEC. That dude is an idiot...

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wilford by the way is like brandon llyod ,makes great spectaulr catches every know and then ,but isnt consistent at all.but hes not a head case like lloyd and im sure hed be alot cheper then lloyd.but in actually talent wise i dont see a difference.i still think there gonna sign dj hackett to teach the system. dj hacket is 6- 2 208 and is 26 , in o5 28 rec for 400 yrds 2td ,o6 45 rec 610 yrds 4td ,07 32 rec 384 yrds 3 td. nothing flashie but hell come cheap ,bring that hieght everones talking about and can teach the sytem and is still younger entering i think his 4th yr of nfl experence. e. wilford is 6-4 218 and is 29 ,in o5 41 rec for 681 yrds and 7tds ,in o6 36 rec for 524 yrds and 2 tds ,in o7 45 rec for 518 yrds and 3tds. so neither would come in and tear it up ,but dj is younger ,proberly a little cheaper ,and might want to be here with zorn to teach there west coast off.

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[quote=skinsfan242;424332]I must say after reading all this. Some of you think becoming Offseason Champions is the way to go. We have 21 starters back. We just need a few key plugs and insert some youth to develop we don't need an overhaul. We are 9-7 with our best Offensive lineman injured, a solid OT injured, a back-up QB, a starting LB and CB injured, and only one half of area 51.

Adding a DT, some good youth to the Oline and Dline as backups, maybe a LG upgrade, a temporary starting LB, a playmaker in the secondary, and a BIG receiver is all we need.

Those needs can easily be filled, we don't have to go out and pick up every FA.[/quote]

I feel ya. I actually wouldn't mind in the end if we didn't sign any free agents. In the short term however, what news would we read about in the offseason? :)

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My dream offseason would be:
Trading for Chad Johnson
Sign Briggs, Coleman, and Daunte Culpepper.
Draft Dre Moore, Chris Ellis, Colt Brennan, Brian Witherspoon (4.25-40)and Kenny Phillips.

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My dream offseason is simple:

Follow the same plan of attack as last year. Don't go crazy trading away draft picks and stay away from the mega trades (Chad Johnson). Use the draft wisely. Stay smart in free agency. Go after mid range FA guys that coaches have some sort of connection with and know are going to be good fits here (Fletcher, Smoot).

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[quote=halodoc;423974]with how much dockery got last year from the bills ,i dont see us being able to make a push faneca. i do see us bring in sea g f.wolmack as a cheaper back up. also i think theyll go for dj hackett wr from sea aswell ,to give us wr depth and to teach the system. haynsworth would be awsome ,but i think we have a better chance at coery willams dt from green bay. i do agree with the drayton florence cb from sd and lb from the jets v.hobson or even lb boss bailey from det.and the 1st two picks in the draft a de and db,and in the 3 rnd a ol. so wolmack and 3rd rnd ol for depth , d florence and db in 1st or 2nd rnd for borderline stater/good back ups ,dj wr starter/teacher free agent olb possiable starter,and c.willams dt and 1st/2nd rnd de would be starters.[/quote]


Corey Williams got franchised

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Draft Cromartie in the first round, Chris Ellis in the second, Johnathan Heffney or Adrius Bowman in the 3rd, and in free agency sign Briggs, and maybe Hackett or Berrian (Serious Maybe on Berrian)

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;424561]Corey Williams got franchised[/QUOTE]

yeah i heard like a half hour after posting ,so replace him with a.odom or travis laboy both titans des