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I agree that this cop went way too far when he got physical with the kid.Maybe the kid deserved to be yelled at but taking the kid to the ground was where he crossed the line.To be honest when I watched the video I thought the cop didnt even tell the kid to sit down until he was already halfway down to the ground.As if the cop was only trying to take the skateboard but then stumbled and realized he was going down and started to say sit down to cover his ass.

I would also like to add that police officers have to be in complete control of every situation.Unfurtunatly some officers feel that they have to act like dicks to do this.The truth is that anyone could be armed and dangerous and you just cant afford to let your gaurd down.So while I dont like it at all when I encounter an officer like this I kind of understand why they are like that.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;421739]I know a lot of cops. I can say that of the many I know 90% of them woudl react similarly. There are seriosuly only a few that are reasonable people the rest are a bunch of power hungry pieces of sh*t. At no point in that entire situation did he act like a responsible law enforcment agent. The kid should have just asked him to leave him alone and left.[/QUOTE]

This has got to be one of the most ignorant posts I have seen, and it's screams cop hater.
My neighbor to the right is a Sheriff, neighbor across the street is City police, and I have 5 close friends that are involved with some for of law enforcement. (7 total in state police / sheriff / or city) Not a single one of them is power hungry. They are great people that I bar-b-que with, drink occasion beers with and have a good time. They have very difficult jobs, and do their jobs with a TON of restraint. You should put yourselves in their shoes for 2 seconds. You have not one freakin clue what these guys go through on a day to day basis.
I am not defending the guy in the video, he acted out of line, but he has some truth to his comments. Kids do not treat police with respect, and I can only assume you are a kid with a comment like "the kid should have just asked him to leave him alone and left." What kind of nonsense is that? The kid SHOULD have apologized to the officer and stop calling him dude. To me, there were two people in the wrong in that video. The cop was absolutely wrong by throwing the kid down, and the kid was wrong by not listening and abiding by what the cop wanted. It would have went a whole lot smoother if the kid wasn't being a little punk...and I'm sure there was more to the video than what we saw.
This is a good tool for listening to people talk about the police, if you have ever been arrested and you have something bad to say about the police, you should be ignored. 99 times out of 100, it's your fault, and you escalated the situation with your mouth.
Sure there are bad apples in law enforcement, but they are few and far between.

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;422750]Cop = Tool

This is a douche. Even if I was 14, and he put his hands on me, F-it, I woulda started swinging, cop or not. He had no right to get physical with the kid.....[/QUOTE]

Wow...simply wow...what are kids these days being taught?

Sure he had no right to get physical, but you think the answer would be "start swinging". Damn...I am getting scared as to the direction of this country.
Please tell me there are SANE people out there???

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[quote=jsarno;422808]This has got to be one of the most ignorant posts I have seen, and it's screams cop hater.
My neighbor to the right is a Sheriff, neighbor across the street is City police, and I have 5 close friends that are involved with some for of law enforcement. (7 total in state police / sheriff / or city) Not a single one of them is power hungry. They are great people that I bar-b-que with, drink occasion beers with and have a good time. They have very difficult jobs, and do their jobs with a TON of restraint. You should put yourselves in their shoes for 2 seconds. You have not one freakin clue what these guys go through on a day to day basis.
I am not defending the guy in the video, he acted out of line, but he has some truth to his comments. Kids do not treat police with respect, and I can only assume you are a kid with a comment like "the kid should have just asked him to leave him alone and left." What kind of nonsense is that? The kid SHOULD have apologized to the officer and stop calling him dude. To me, there were two people in the wrong in that video. The cop was absolutely wrong by throwing the kid down, and the kid was wrong by not listening and abiding by what the cop wanted. It would have went a whole lot smoother if the kid wasn't being a little punk...and I'm sure there was more to the video than what we saw.
This is a good tool for listening to people talk about the police, if you have ever been arrested and you have something bad to say about the police, you should be ignored. 99 times out of 100, it's your fault, and you escalated the situation with your mouth.
Sure there are bad apples in law enforcement, but they are few and far between.[/quote]

I lean to the right when it comes to crime and punishment and I think most offenses (depending on the situation) should be punished.. Pretty severely. But all I see in this video is a 14 year old kid, being a 14 year old kid. If he was 16 or 17 then I could understand what you're saying but kids are in no way like the kids of the 70s and 80s where they were brought up with respect.

This kid is like a cupcake compared to the kids I had to deal with in high school. Those kids that went to the public school up the street from me.. Inner city kids. It was a scary thing.

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[QUOTE]This is a good tool for listening to people talk about the police, if you have ever been arrested and you have something bad to say about the police, you should be ignored. 99 times out of 100, it's your fault, and you escalated the situation with your mouth.[/QUOTE]

that's completely ignorant. Ive been arrested and had my life threatened by police who had a grudge against me for sleeping with a married cop's girlfriend. I've been arrested and assaulted for not having a vin plate on a truck i bought. I didn't remove it, and the charge was thrown out. As it turns out that cop (in a different state than the aforementioned, mind you) was called over because he was dating our neighbor who was a hooter's waitress that we had thrown out of a party for acting like a complete cunt the week before. It took him over 2 hours of detaining me with no reason (his original claim was that my truck had no vaild inspection sticker, which was true, but since it wasn't on a public road I wasn't in violation) to finally find something to charge me with.

cops are people of various character, just like in any other walk of life, no matter who they beat or who they barbeque with. some are attracted to the job to truly help people and that's great. some like to carry guns and sticks and feel empowered. the people who are drawn to that aspect of the job should be weeded out, but then who else are we gonna get to deal with the crack heads, and murderers and rapists... petty theives and arsonists, etc....

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oh and my basis for calling that statement ignorant is that the people who are arrested have first hand knowledge of the situation. I'd venture that false arrests make up much more than 1% of all arrests and I fail to read any laws saying I cannot "use my mouth" when I'm being forcefully detained without explanation.

I find it peculiar coming from you, a person who believes so strongly in the 2nd amendment, since that amendment was based on the notion that the govt shouldn't be able to completely overpower the population, as that is the first step down a road that leads away from democracy.

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If your knowingly breaking the law and a police officer gives you a warning to stop. Then comes back later and finds you still doing it. He should have the right to kick the s*** out of your dumbass. You were warned! If the kid had just relinquished his board, the cop wouldn't have had to put his butt in the dirt. That guy puts his life on the line everyday to work in Baltimore City, and for his trouble he gets to be disrespected by punk kids. Shame on their parents for not teaching them better.

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[quote=CobraKaiDojo;422820]If your knowingly breaking the law and a police officer gives you a warning to stop. Then comes back later and finds you still doing it. He should have the right to kick the s*** out of your dumbass. You were warned! If the kid had just relinquished his board, the cop wouldn't have had to put his butt in the dirt. That guy puts his life on the line everyday to work in Baltimore City, and for his trouble he gets to be disrespected by punk kids. Shame on their parents for not teaching them better.[/quote]


sure... remember spiderman... great power/great responsibility, and so on? there's protocol in place for those events. Grabbing the kid and forcing him to the ground is not in that protocol. Physical force was used on a kid (yes a punk, but still a kid) by an adult. Yes an adult. I expect any member of a community to use better judgment and act like a mature individual. If cops go around kicking the shit out of everybody it would have the opposite effect than you would think. It would be total chaos.

If the guy lets some 14 year old kids get to him so that he loses his cool and lets his emotions overtake him, what's he going to do when he has a real criminal in his face? You have to have composure. There's a major psychological aspect to that job and if you lose your composure you lose control, and that's when people get hurt. the guy's a danger and needs to be writing parking tickets, if he can handle that...

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There is no law that states kids must treat cops with respect. Ideally they do, and I think usually they do, but if they don't or if a police officer doesn't believe that they have the cop still doesn't have a right to exercise any punitive action other than that commensurate with the crime that has been committed. A good cop tries to diffuse a situation. A bad one creates a situation. This here is a very bad cop.

One of my boys from high school is a cop and a damn good one. I know some other cops too who are great people as well. But that doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of scumbags out there dishonoring the badge, or worse, thinking it makes them above the law.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;422822]sure... remember spiderman... great power/great responsibility, and so on? there's protocol in place for those events. Grabbing the kid and forcing him to the ground is not in that protocol. Physical force was used on a kid (yes a punk, but still a kid) by an adult. Yes an adult. I expect any member of a community to use better judgment and act like a mature individual. If cops go around kicking the shit out of everybody it would have the opposite effect than you would think. It would be total chaos.

If the guy lets some 14 year old kids get to him so that he loses his cool and lets his emotions overtake him, what's he going to do when he has a real criminal in his face? You have to have composure. There's a major psychological aspect to that job and if you lose your composure you lose control, and that's when people get hurt. the guy's a danger and needs to be writing parking tickets, if he can handle that...[/QUOTE]

Good post. And about the responsiblity falling on the kid's parents, is it the same kid who at the start of the video says he doesn't have a father?

There are plenty of good cops, but this guy isn't one of them. Better said, maybe he is but in this case he certainly didn't act like one. True, we didn't see the whole story but it's hard to believe anything happened that warranted the cop's actions.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;422810]I lean to the right when it comes to crime and punishment and I think most offenses (depending on the situation) should be punished.. Pretty severely. But all I see in this video is a 14 year old kid, being a 14 year old kid. If he was 16 or 17 then I could understand what you're saying but kids are in no way like the kids of the 70s and 80s where they were brought up with respect.

This kid is like a cupcake compared to the kids I had to deal with in high school. Those kids that went to the public school up the street from me.. Inner city kids. It was a scary thing.[/QUOTE]

I have no doubt it would have escalated to a disgusting level had it been with one of those inner city kids you speak of.

So where has all the respect gone?

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;422819]oh and my basis for calling that statement ignorant is that the people who are arrested have first hand knowledge of the situation. I'd venture that false arrests make up much more than 1% of all arrests and I fail to read any laws saying I cannot "use my mouth" when I'm being forcefully detained without explanation.

I find it peculiar coming from you, a person who believes so strongly in the 2nd amendment, since that amendment was based on the notion that the govt shouldn't be able to completely overpower the population, as that is the first step down a road that leads away from democracy.[/QUOTE]

BIG difference between being arrested, and being detained.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;422859]Good post. And about the responsiblity falling on the kid's parents, is it the same kid who at the start of the video says he doesn't have a father?

There are plenty of good cops, but this guy isn't one of them. Better said, maybe he is but in this case he certainly didn't act like one. True, we didn't see the whole story but it's hard to believe anything happened that warranted the cop's actions.[/QUOTE]

The guy wouldn't be suspended (likely) if he didn't touch the kid. He really made a poor choice there.
We all have days we wish we could take back. This guy could have been a great cop for his whole career, but something happened today...who knows. Grabbing the kid just wasn't wise at all...that's where the situation went bad.
I just hope someone takes that kid (off camera of course) and smacks some sense into him, cause now he thinks he can take on cops with no repercussions. He was just taught he can say and do just about anything to authority and he'll get away with it, and moreover, the authority will "appear" to be in the wrong. That's a horrible lesson.

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[quote=SmootSmack;421688]That doesn't compare to this story:

[URL="http://www.abcactionnews.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=610f4beb-2031-4bbe-8c21-40a095713ebf"]Quadriplegic man dumped from wheelchair by Hillsborough County jail employee | WFTS-TV | First in HD[/URL][/quote]


1:16

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyEWm3x5ulE"]YouTube - The Big Lebowski Trailer Remix[/URL]

Actually the whole video is kind of relevant, now that I think about it. Dealing with anger is very difficult.

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[quote=jsarno;422886]BIG difference between being arrested, and being detained.[/quote]


I was arrested in both instances and beat the charges in court without an attorney both times.

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Officer "Dude" must realllly love being on YouTube

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[quote=canthetuna;422894]I was arrested in both instances and beat the charges in court without an attorney both times.[/quote]


The guy who accused me of assault in the 9th grade didnt even show up to the court date. I got a day out of school for it

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That dude should be fired. Anyone with that kind of temper who apparently routinely unlawfully threatens the public that he is charged with "serving" doesn't deserve to wear a uniform. He should have to turn in his badge and be stripped of any benefits etc.

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What a piece of crap. Big man with a badge.

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Wow, people are actually defending this douche bag? Are there cool cops, yes. Without a doubt there are some great cops out there, a majority are probably good guys. However, you have to admit that many of the folks in that position use it as a power trip.

Should you respect police officers? Absolutely. However, the cop needs to also respect the suspect. He's a complete dick, and thinks he earned some sort of automatic respect? If you're going to disrespect me, you don't deserve my respect in return. I don't care if who you are.

That kid should have given up his board? For what? The cop harassed the hell out of him, and I wish a citizen would have gone in and set his ass straight. We wonder why kids sit inside all day now? Because of shit like this.

This man is an absolute douche bag, and if I were the parents of the kid I would be looking to press charges to in the very least, get him fired.

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That dude has definitely had one banana too many shoved up his tailpipe. I really don't expect much better from a probable Ravens fan. You know, come to think of it, he seems very relaxed for an Orioles fan.

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[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/26/moats-hassled-by-cop-outside-hospital-where-family-member-was-dying/]ProFootballTalk.com - Moats Hassled By Cop Outside Hospital Where Family Member Was Dying[/url]

Another example of how cops are usually just ape-like turds running on power trips. Yay for law enforcement! This is why everyone loves you guys some much.

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I'm pretty sure that cop's from Dundalk

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[quote=FRPLG;539842][URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/26/moats-hassled-by-cop-outside-hospital-where-family-member-was-dying/"]ProFootballTalk.com - Moats Hassled By Cop Outside Hospital Where Family Member Was Dying[/URL]

Another example of how cops are usually just ape-like turds running on power trips. Yay for law enforcement! This is why everyone loves you guys some much.[/quote]

Either a power trip or racism, or both.

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Ought to lose his job, that simple, at the point they pulled into the hospital grounds, his attitude should have changed from protection to assisting. If he doesn't understand what it means to protect and serve then he ought not be entrusted with the job regardless of motivation.

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he may be wrapped a little tight to "serve and protect"?????
I think the public may be better served and protected by the incarceration of officer Riviere'.

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[quote=Mattyk72;539861]Either a power trip or racism, or both.[/quote]
I have to agree with you on this one. I can see why he pulled him over and I can see why when people jumped out he pulled his gun (remember a cop has to treat everyone as a threat). At some point he sould have realized that they where telling the truth and let them go. Heck, if he followed them into the hospital just to check that would have been fine.

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[quote=FRPLG;539842][URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/26/moats-hassled-by-cop-outside-hospital-where-family-member-was-dying/"]ProFootballTalk.com - Moats Hassled By Cop Outside Hospital Where Family Member Was Dying[/URL]

Another example of how cops are usually just ape-like turds running on power trips. Yay for law enforcement! This is why everyone loves you guys some much.[/quote]

Seriously. Way too many of them come off like meathead bullies. I mean, they're pulled over in a hospital parking lot with their hazards on, and Moats' wife is crying that her mother is about to die. What the hell does he think is going on? This cop deserves a kick in the nuts and a lengthy, unpaid suspension.

“If you want to keep this going, I’ll just put you in handcuffs, and I’ll take you to jail for running a red light. . . . Understand what I can do. I can tow your truck. I can charge you with fleeing. I can make your night very difficult.”

What a douchebag power trip.

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[quote=firstdown;539900]I have to agree with you on this one. I can see why he pulled him over and I can see why when people jumped out he pulled his gun (remember a cop has to treat everyone as a threat). [B]At some point he sould have realized that they where telling the truth and let them go. Heck, if he followed them into the hospital just to check that would have been fine[/B].[/quote]

The problem is that they stopped at the Hospital ER. At the point where he entered the Hospital parking lot his mind should have realized, "hey maybe they have an emergency"

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[quote=jsarno;422809]Wow...simply wow...what are kids these days being taught?

Sure he had no right to get physical, but you think the answer would be "start swinging". Damn...I am getting scared as to the direction of this country.
Please tell me there are SANE people out there???[/quote]
Since this thread has been bumped anyways I'd like to share that the direction of the country went wrong before this when cops went from "serve and protect" to "patrol and control"

I have friends that are in law enforcement as well.. from a county sheriff, to several beat cops, sergeants, etc.. all of them are nice as well, well all but one, he's a complete dickhead (I guess he's not really a friend)

The 7 cops you know and bbq with are your friends, of course they're nice to you, you haven't seen every ride they've been on.. and maybe they're like that out in the field too.. but there are more than 7 LEO's in this country

It's a stressful job but if you can't put up with it, then quit.. any other job where you do something like this you're out, a cop should have to find his own way after something like that as well

Who is a cop to tell me whether to sit down or remain standing so that he can yell at me? That's ridiculous... and he had no reason to even touch the kid.. if the kid did so much as put his hand to the guy to back him away it's "assault"

What happened to police not being above the law? What an apologist you are.. it's this complacency with the steady decline we have in giving up our freedoms and even comfort that's an issue with this nation, not some kid saying dude

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[quote=EternalEnigma21;422817]that's completely ignorant. Ive been arrested and had my life threatened by police who had a grudge against me for sleeping with a married cop's girlfriend. I've been arrested and assaulted for not having a vin plate on a truck i bought. I didn't remove it, and the charge was thrown out. As it turns out that cop (in a different state than the aforementioned, mind you) was called over because he was dating our neighbor who was a hooter's waitress that we had thrown out of a party for acting like a complete cunt the week before. It took him over 2 hours of detaining me with no reason (his original claim was that my truck had no vaild inspection sticker, which was true, but since it wasn't on a public road I wasn't in violation) to finally find something to charge me with.

cops are people of various character, just like in any other walk of life, no matter who they beat or who they barbeque with. some are attracted to the job to truly help people and that's great. some like to carry guns and sticks and feel empowered. the people who are drawn to that aspect of the job should be weeded out, but then who else are we gonna get to deal with the crack heads, and murderers and rapists... petty theives and arsonists, etc....[/quote]

I got slammed to the pavement as an 18 year old for minor in possession of alcohol.. this is after I came out of the car with my hands on it, after a patdown and no resistance

either way I don't hold that against every police officer as I've probably had more nice officers than dickheads.. it's the cops that think because someone isn't apologizing and crying that decide that they need to escalate the situation that are the issue... if they can talk with disrespect so can I, luckily I don't have to do that often at all.. mostly the young cocky guys

my roommates got busted for pot a couple months back and there was some young guy trying to crack jokes and being extremely accusatory and rude, I came home in the middle of it and it was absolutely disgusting.. I spoke with one of the quiet respectful officers and mr 25 year old tactical unit was removed from the residence

not to take up for my roommates, they're the reason that I'm moving out

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[quote=EternalEnigma21;422819]oh and my basis for calling that statement ignorant is that the people who are arrested have first hand knowledge of the situation. I'd venture that false arrests make up much more than 1% of all arrests and I fail to read any laws saying I cannot "use my mouth" when I'm being forcefully detained without explanation.

I find it peculiar coming from you, a person who believes so strongly in the 2nd amendment, since that amendment was based on the notion that the govt shouldn't be able to completely overpower the population, as that is the first step down a road that leads away from democracy.[/quote]

it's funny how they won't give up their guns but they'll gladly give up the 4th amendment among others..

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I don't know about this one. No, I'm no friend of the police but that kid was a little punk who doesn't know the game. He does need his a** beaten. If he's going to break the law then he needs to learn what to say to the fuzz, yes, no, F you take me to jail.

That fat cop would've just given them a warning if that one kid hadn't called him "dude". You could see he just wanted to get in his cart and roll off for coffee and donuts. Hey dork, he's a cop not your f'ing friend!

Think that cop is bad, get thrown in Pamunkey Regional or the lovely Parham Hotel. They make that cop look like strawberry short cake.

Heads or tales, dorky skater punk or punk in a dorky cart? I'll bet that cop would've had a different tone with someone who could beat his a**.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;425965]That dude has definitely had one banana too many shoved up his tailpipe. I really don't expect much better from a probable Ravens fan. You know, come to think of it, he seems very relaxed for an Orioles fan.[/quote]

What's wrong with being an O's fan? There are many of us that are not from B-More. The Nats did not exist when several of us were growing up. In fact at every Skins game you can hear the "O's" chant during the National Anthem...come to think of it that does drive me nuts. Not all O's fans are bad though. Cut us some slack, but I concur that Ravens fans are bad, they are almost as bad as Philly fans.

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That Moats situation was just awful. I understand the officer has a job to do, and I can understand pulling a gun out after a chase (albeit short one), but as soon as his wife told the reason for the situation, the dude should've reassessed the situation and realized he should help them. I've had good encounters with cops and bad ones as well, and you kinda gotta look at both sides of the equation, but everybody can tell the cop was wrong on that one. Personally I feel bad for Ryan Moats and his father in law, they missed a chance to say goodbye to his mother in law during her last moments, and nothing said or done will ever take away from that.

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[quote=Mattyk72;421764]I've had interactions with good cops and bad cops. They do get an unfair rep at times and the truth is whenever they cross the line it gets broadcasted all over the media and we don't get to see the other side often enough.[/quote]

I remember before going to college there was a time where I got pulled over for doing 75 in a 55. Officer was as nice as can be. Also had another officer that was pretty kind when I got caught doing a rolling stop.

However one time I was eating my lunch behind an empty K-Mart, got pulled over and the officer couldn't have been a bigger jerk. Basically he thought I was smoking crack or shooting up. Instead I was really eating my lunch. Lol, didn't have my licence either and had to prove that I had one by showing him my speeding ticket from the day before.

Anyway I guess it's a mixed bag. Some of them are really kind and helpful, others are just jerks.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Update: Officer that harassed Moats resigns.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80f8d125&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true"]Dallas police officer who stopped Texans RB Moats resigns[/URL]