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[quote=FRPLG;294760]So what are our chances of trading Springs now? I find it hard to believe that the Skins aren't persuing that. We've got four guys who can start. Not the greatest in the world but all of them are starting quality on most teams. Four is a lot.[/quote]

Yeah I think trading him is a good possibility. Not a lock by any means, but certainly possible.

First, in terms of the cap, keeping Springs on the roster in 2007 would cost us the same amount of cap space as cutting or trading him would. So we could unload him and barely burn any of our approximately $5 million in remaining space. The cap will not prohibit a trade.

But maybe the 'Skins are thinking we need Macklin as insurance. GW probably wants all the cover options he can get his hands on after last year's debacle. We have no idea what Prioleau is going to look like coming back off his knee injury, and GW has previously counted on him as a cover guy. Signing Macklin as a nickel CB could be a strong sign that we want Springs to move to safety.

Either way, it adds depth and flexibility. More guys on the roster who can cover, whether they're playing safety or corner. Maybe enough cover guys to feel comfortable trading Springs. Who knows.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;294811]off the topic but does anyone know about a warpath site for the panthers[/quote]

Dude, WTF. It's about time you got a good scolding on forum etiquette. You drive just about every member crazy with your ridiculous threads, and now you're going to take a cohesive thread containing conversation about a recent roster move, and ask a question steering it in an entirely different direction.

Just stop. Keep the discussion on topic. And for God's sakes, if you're going to hijack, at least be funny. All you've done is ask a ridiculous question nobody here cares enough about to even take the time to type a one word response.

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Springs needs to be shown the door. The guy is a walking injury and we need new blood, meaning a guy that we can have around for at least 4 years and consistently play. Focus on defensive needs with the draft plus maybe one young O lineman.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;294811]off the topic but does anyone know about a warpath site for the panthers[/QUOTE]

Odd request. I'll PM it to you

So is it safe to say Jonathan Eubanks has no shot now?

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[quote=Schneed10;294815]Dude, WTF. It's about time you got a good scolding on forum etiquette. You drive just about every member crazy with your ridiculous threads, and now you're going to take a cohesive thread containing conversation about a recent roster move, and ask a question steering it in an entirely different direction.

Just stop. Keep the discussion on topic. And for God's sakes, if you're going to hijack, at least be funny. All you've done is ask a ridiculous question nobody here cares enough about to even take the time to type a one word response.[/quote]

man what r u talking about i was trying to find one for my cousin look at my threads they arent dumb and i was trying to find one fr my cuz cause he's on this site and he said he couldnt find one so he told me to ask anyone on this site for one i was being serious not trying to be funny and if i make everyone crazy why hasnt anyone said something to me man for real schneed back off man i was being serious so just calm down no reason to try to go hulk ok man seriously it was one response i was making for my cousin so for real back off

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[quote=SmootSmack;294818]Odd request. I'll PM it to you

So is it safe to say Jonathan Eubanks has no shot now?[/quote]


bascially

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;294798]O.k. I know I should let this go but I can't.

Please for my benefit, will one person in the Warpath forum explain to me how moving Springs to safety would make any sense next year? I have asked this before and did not receive a response. Even more baffling would be cutting him.

Let's get the facts out on the table:

There is no top corner available and certainly no one is going to come cheaper than Springs.

David Macklin is no Springs. He probably isn't as good as Smoot or Rogers so why do people think that signing him means Springs is going to be traded or released on June 1st?

The Redskins do not have any cap issues right now so a Springs restructure is not needed.

If they cut Springs they make a mediocre defense (at this point in time) worse. Everybody and their third cousin knows that the problem last year was defense. The big signings in the offseason were made to bolster the D and create depth on a terrible 2006 unit. If they release Springs or move him to safety they have taken one step forward and two steps back.

Springs is the best corner on the team. No one can argue that. He has the ability to shut down or slow down the other team's best receiver on a consistent basis. No other corner on the team has shown this ability. Rogers and Smoot are good against the run but not as good as Springs.

Springs is the highest paid player in the secondary (if not the entire D). Why would you put that player in a safety role because you picked up two guys who didn't work out on their last teams?

So, please, explain to me why cutting him or removing him from one of the most important positions on the defense would make any sense whatsoever.[/quote]

A couple reasons:

Our secondary couldn't cover for shitake mushrooms last year. Part of it was the CBs, part of it was the lack of pressure on the QB, and part of it was the safeties were lacking in coverage skills. When Prioleau went down, we were left with nobody who could cover at safety. We've got no idea if Prioleau is going to come back strong.

Springs is getting older and isn't as fast as he used to be.

Maybe GW has some ideas for new wrinkles in the scheme. If I were him, I'd be very concerned about the fact that we only got 19 sacks last year. I also remember seeing us use the corner blitz A LOT less often this past season. Reason? When you blitz the CBs, you put the onus on the safeties to cover up. Our safeties sucked balls in coverage, hence GW didn't feel comfortable blitzing the CBs and relying on the safeties. You know Springs can be relied upon to cover up very well at the safety spot; GW will be free to use the CB blitz more often. And let's face it, we need to figure out any way possible to generate pressure on the QB after the season we just had.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;294820]man what r u talking about i was trying to find one for my cousin look at my threads they arent dumb and i was trying to find one fr my cuz cause he's on this site and he said he couldnt find one so he told me to ask anyone on this site for one i was being serious not trying to be funny and if i make everyone crazy why hasnt anyone said something to me man for real schneed back off man i was being serious so just calm down no reason to try to go hulk ok man seriously it was one response i was making for my cousin so for real back off[/quote]

I know you were being serious. I'm saying that your question should not have been asked in this thread. Forum etiquette - stay on topic.

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[quote=Schneed10;294827]I know you were being serious. I'm saying that your question should not have been asked in this thread. Forum etiquette - stay on topic.[/quote]


whatever man i am not going to pull a porterhouse just had nowhere else to put it

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see i told you guys he was going to sign, he said it when he came in to my dicks sporting goods store in newport news

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[QUOTE=charlielyons;294831]see i told you guys he was going to sign, he said it when he came in to my dicks sporting goods store in newport news[/QUOTE]

That's not exactly what you said, but it doesn't matter

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[quote=charlielyons;294831]see i told you guys he was going to sign, he said it when he came in to my dicks sporting goods store in newport news[/quote]
Your Dick's store in NN, who might you be?

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[quote=SmootSmack;294833]That's not exactly what you said, but it doesn't matter[/quote]
well to be exact he said he had a meeting in dc and i told him to come play close to home

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;294835]Your Dick's store in NN, who might you be?[/quote]
charlie-sales manager

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I wanna see a fight

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[quote=Profootballtalk.com]
POSTED 10:08 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 11:03 p.m. EDT, April 5, 2007

MACKLIN GIVES 'SKINS A DISCOUNT

The Washington Redskins have a reputation for overpaying free agents. On Thursday, a free agent specifically took less money for a chance to join the team.

Per Adam Schefter of NFL Network, cornerback David Macklin rejected more lucrative offers from the Chiefs and Eagles to sign a one-year, $760,000 deal with the 'Skins.

Macklin accepted the lower deal because he is from Newport News, Virginia, and grew up as a Redskins fan. Also, Macklin always wanted to play for Hall of Fame coach Joe Gibbs.

Macklin is a seven-year veteran who spent the first fiour seasons of his career with the Colts and the last three with the Cardinals. He started the last six games of the 2006 season in Arizona.
[/quote]

Well no sh*t! Let's bask in the glory here some. We don't get chances like this to gloat too often. Maybe we'll make up for it by signing John Carney to a 8 year $29M contract or something

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;294798]O.k. I know I should let this go but I can't.

Please for my benefit, will one person in the Warpath forum explain to me how moving Springs to safety would make any sense next year? I have asked this before and did not receive a response. Even more baffling

would be cutting him.





Springs is the best corner on the team.



So, please, explain to me why cutting him or removing him from one of the most important positions on the defense would make any sense whatsoever.[/quote]
i totally agree. but remember, these are the same fans that want just about everyone to switch positions and be a pro bowler when doing it.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;294869]i totally agree. but remember, these are the same fans that want just about everyone to switch positions and be a pro bowler when doing it.[/QUOTE]

You say that like it's hard or something.

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[quote=SmootSmack;294701]I like this move. I know there were several of us clamoring for him. Good depth. We still have no heir apparent to Springs to be a "#1 corner" though[/quote]

maybe its because time has faded some of my memories of carlos' play last year but coming into his 3rd season under g williams it is time he steps up and becomes our #1 corner . . i think a healthy springs is alot better than carlos but with a less than 100% springs (did he ever get that surgery or is he going to "tough it out" again?) due 7 plus mil this year and more next year the time is now to trade him (if possible, lions seem desperate but that means CJ and no DL, doh!) . . if we wait a year we mostly likely will have to cut him and get nothing in return and maybe less friendly cap consequences than a trade scenario . . . i loved springs when he was healthy, really solidified a good bit of our D but i think his time has come and rogers has arrived, he will continue to grow just hang on to the damn ball!!!!!

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[quote=Schneed10;294825]A couple reasons:

Our secondary couldn't cover for shitake mushrooms last year. Part of it was the CBs, part of it was the lack of pressure on the QB, and part of it was the safeties were lacking in coverage skills. When Prioleau went down, we were left with nobody who could cover at safety. We've got no idea if Prioleau is going to come back strong.

Springs is getting older and isn't as fast as he used to be.

Maybe GW has some ideas for new wrinkles in the scheme. If I were him, I'd be very concerned about the fact that we only got 19 sacks last year. I also remember seeing us use the corner blitz A LOT less often this past season. Reason? When you blitz the CBs, you put the onus on the safeties to cover up. Our safeties sucked balls in coverage, hence GW didn't feel comfortable blitzing the CBs and relying on the safeties. You know Springs can be relied upon to cover up very well at the safety spot; GW will be free to use the CB blitz more often. And let's face it, we need to figure out any way possible to generate pressure on the QB after the season we just had.[/quote]

I am not buying.

Stoutmire will be fine as the cover safety if PP can't handle it yet. Fox showed that he can contribute as well. I would say it makes more sense to turn Rogers, Smoot or Macklin into a safety before junking your best cover corner.

Springs had a hurt groin. That will typically slow you down. When he was interviewed out in Arizona he said his speed was fine and that he felt great.

Springs was hurt all year and was still the best CB. You are going to let Rogers or Smoot cover number ones? I don't think so. That would be a terrible decision.

Rebuilding a defense starting with a cover safety doesn't make sense. Having 2 #2 corners is going to be a bigger hole than having an average cover safety.

What good is generating additional pressure if they can just lob it to their #1 wideout.

I still have not seen a viable argument how the defense is better by removing the best cornerback.

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I think Carlos played a lot of good football last year. He got burned a a few times for sure but most of us who seem to think lss of him are over-valuing a few things that made him look bad.

1. He dropped every interception thrown his way. At the end of the day though he did break up the passes I gues.
2. The Scheme had all the corners playing way off. Made him look terrible.

The question is did they have him play off becuase he sucks or because they had no cnfidence in anybody behind him? I am expecting CR to step it up this year and become a pretty decent corner.

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So that's why Rogers gave the auto-10 every down. The scheme. Hmmmm.

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Good job Redskins on this signing. I can finally shut up about wanting another corner, thank God the FO agreed with me on this one.


Grim, as far as a viable argument for moving Springs to safety there is only one thing that comes to my mind.

Older corners typically can extend there careers/ improver there productivity by switching to safety, so from his standpoint, I can definitely see that he would be willing to make the change. Also, Considering that last year when PP went down, all hell broke loose and we sucked.

I happen to agree with you that moving our best corner is a bad idea. What we need is a little help from the D-line and a certain unnamed corner to hold on to couple balls.

At any rate, with this signing we're solid at corner, and can finally focus on fixing up the d-line.

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Rod Woodson and Corey Fuller are two examples of top-notch corners who toward the twilight of their career moved to Safety. I think Springs can really help the team just by being on the field and as a safety he could arguably have a greater impact because he would have a better vantage point from which to "survey" the field, and be like a defensive QB.

However, my main gripe with moving Springs to safety is that I think he'd be better served as a free safety than a strong safety...so, would we move Taylor to strong safety?

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I absolutely love this signing. Macklin will provide great depth at cb, and as for Springs moving to safety I doubt it will happen, I think it's more to do with the fact that Springs is injury prone. I believe this is what happens when Snyder lets Joe make the decisions.

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I think Springs would be a great safety. My problem is that given the current roster and the fact that they do not have the resources (picks, caproom) to improve the line and pick up a #1 corner.

Now if Rogers had turned into the player that we thought we drafted, I would say go for it but right now we have 1 #1 corner and 3 #2's (after the Macklin signing). I think it would hurt the team to switch our #1.

I also believe that this is the last year for Springs in D.C. When he used his leverage to turn down the restructuring it turned this into a contract year for him. I think they brought in Macklin for an audition this year and if Macklin or Rogers don't emerge, they will be corner shopping next year when cutting Springs will free up some cap.

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Great signing! This was really what the D needed. C'mon Springs do the right thing playa!

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Adam Schefter says 1 year, $760,000.

Definition of great deal.

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I really dont think Springs is gonna be playin saftey for the skins, for that matter not corner back either. I think this just makes a deal with detroit even more evident, to pick up CJ. Who are detroits starting CB's ..... oh thats right you can't name one of em. Springs is goin to detroit along with our 6th pick and probaly a pick for next year. All you CJ haters get over it, hes a skin.

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[quote=holmester;294890]I really dont think Springs is gonna be playin saftey for the skins, for that matter not corner back either. I think this just makes a deal with detroit even more evident, to pick up CJ. Who are detroits starting CB's ..... oh thats right you can't name one of em. Springs is goin to detroit along with our 6th pick and probaly a pick for next year. All you CJ haters get over it, hes a skin.[/quote]Fernando Bryant.

Have faith.

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[quote=GTripp0012;294891]Fernando Bryant.

Have faith.[/quote]

hey Gtripp 3 and p remember. stop chiefin.

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[quote=holmester;294892]hey Gtripp 3 and p remember. stop chiefin.[/quote]Forgive my ignorance, but I have no idea what that means.

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[quote=GTripp0012;294893]Forgive my ignorance, but I have no idea what that means.[/quote]

One day my son, one day. [IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon12.gif[/IMG]

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Macklin's a career backup with multiple weaknesses. What's all the cheering about?

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Being from Phoenix I have seen him more than I would like... Very nice Pickup. Will do well with our blitzing schemes. BUT, he will be another WTF CB down field....we shall see.

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;294895]Macklin's a career backup with multiple weaknesses. What's all the cheering about?[/quote]
Have to disagree with that....solid situational if Greg plays him right.

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;294895]Macklin's a career backup with multiple weaknesses. What's all the cheering about?[/quote]

No he's not. As his 06 scouting report (71) indicates he has alot of upside. He also had seven starts last year, this guy brings great depth at corner position for low cost, I think that's what the cheering is about!

KUDOS to the FO on this signing, well spent cash!

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;294895]Macklin's a career backup with multiple weaknesses. What's all the cheering about?[/quote]

Ignorance abounds. Macklin has been a starter most of his career......both in Indy and in Zona.

I LOVE this pickup. Adding solid veteran depth to a key position, at a cheap price (not to mention getting a Nittany Lion back on the the team again). Good job, Gibbs.

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Macklin is a solid veteran pickup. He should be a huge improvement over the likes of Wright.

That being said he's no threat to crack the starting lineup and bump Springs, Smoot or Rogers. I think we're really set at corner now. Kudos to the front office for this move.

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I don't think Springs is going to be here. Spings is not going to take a paycut. This move sealed his fate. It's time to move on anyway.