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[quote=T.O.Killa;293084]At first I did not like this deal, but after I thought about it I did not hate it as bad. We would have a pro bowl linebacker, behind Carter and it might solidify that side against the run. It would also free Carter up to rush the passer more. For them to make this deal, I think we should insist that they take Rocky and give us a second rounder. If we don't we will destroy him anyway.[/quote]

The problem is Carter can't hold up against the run anyway cause he's too small. So Briggs is going to be trying to cover his ass. Remember the last game of the season? Tiki ran for 234 yards. And most of it was right over
Carter getting pushed around by 50 year old Bob Whitfield. Carter needs to be only playing on passing downs. But that's another whole nother subject.

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What about Rocky? Honestly, that's my only true concern. The dollars aren't really an issue and if Bly can get $18 million guaranteed then Briggs can get $20 million. And I think this draft is deep enough on the line that we can still get help at #31

But, we moved up to draft Rocky and then spent money on Fletch. So what's the plan with them? Is Rocky already on the outs? Is he being groomed as the heir apparent at MLB? Is this part of GWill's "everyone's a starter philosophy"

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[quote=diehardskin2982;293094]My biggest gripe is that there is so much u can do with that 6th pick I can't understand why someone in their right mind would trade it a month before draft day! For a F@#%ing big name player who most likely will not fit in our system. Just let me be the gm for one season, I'd have a championship team. This IS SO FRUSTRATING, I might pickett in front of Redskins Park... Anyone with me?[/quote]

I'm with you bro. You never know who is going to drop on draft day. It makes no damn sense what so ever. Gibbs, Vinny, and Dan just don't have a clue what the hell they are doing. If this goes through my faith w/ Gibbs is in the toilet.

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[quote=Mattyk72;293063]I hope people realize that trading down is no guarantee.[/quote]
Exactly true. But, while picking at #6 statistically might have better odds of picking a winner, that too is no guarantee.

My thinking says trading down has two distinct advantages:

1. [B]Several positions of need[/B]. Leaving the gap (in pick chances) open from the #6 pick until their next pick in Round 5 doesn't help fill those positions of need.

2. [B]Risk averaging[/B]. By getting several, albeit lower, picks, the cost of the risk incurred is spread out over those several picks. With one selection at 6 (or 31 if it comes to pass), #6 becomes an all-or-nothing choice. To have the holes we have, and then potentially select a DUD at 6 means another wasted draft opportunity.

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[quote=SmootSmack;293109]What about Rocky? Honestly, that's my only true concern. The dollars aren't really an issue and if Bly can get $18 million guaranteed then Briggs can get $20 million. And I think this draft is deep enough on the line that we can still get help at #31

But, we moved up to draft Rocky and then spent money on Fletch. So what's the plan with them? Is Rocky already on the outs? Is he being groomed as the heir apparent at MLB? Is this part of GWill's "everyone's a starter philosophy"[/quote]

That's the main thing that irks me about this deal too.

Someone obviously had high hopes for Rocky last year... so did we really whiff that badly on him or is this simply another case of this FO falling in love with a big name FA?

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Options 2 & 3 for me and also, what's the rush to do this now? It's obvious that Briggs isn't close to an extension with the Bears.. We don't seem to be competing with anyone else for his services in a trade so why make this move so urgently.

If the Raiders interest in Johnson is true then that throws the entire top 10 into flux. Quinn, Russell or Peterson will likely be there at 6 so we're in perfect position for a trade down. If they are all gone and we don't like who is left, then pull the trigger on the deal but doing something like this so far in advance of the draft is stupid.

I like Campbell, but I can't help but think we got bent over with what we had to give up for him 2 years ago when there may have been a possibility to get him lower for less rather than do something a week before the draft.

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[quote=Paintrain;293123]Options 2 & 3 for me and also, what's the rush to do this now? It's obvious that Briggs isn't close to an extension with the Bears.. We don't seem to be competing with anyone else for his services in a trade so why make this move so urgently.

If the Raiders interest in Johnson is true then that throws the entire top 10 into flux. Quinn, Russell or Peterson will likely be there at 6 so we're in perfect position for a trade down. If they are all gone and we don't like who is left, then pull the trigger on the deal but doing something like this so far in advance of the draft is stupid.

I like Campbell, but I can't help but think we got bent over with what we had to give up for him 2 years ago when there may have been a possibility to get him lower for less rather than do something a week before the draft.[/quote]

what did we give up to get Campbell? Wasn't it just a 3rd round pick? That's worth every bit of it since it bought a year of experience for him. We've made some terrible trades, but that one was about as good as it gets.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;293126]what did we give up to get Campbell? Wasn't it just a 3rd round pick? That's worth every bit of it since it bought a year of experience for him. We've made some terrible trades, but that one was about as good as it gets.[/QUOTE]
And at least last year's first round pick, which meant that we felt like we needed to trade this year's 2nd so we could move up and get Rocky.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;293126]what did we give up to get Campbell? Wasn't it just a 3rd round pick? That's worth every bit of it since it bought a year of experience for him. We've made some terrible trades, but that one was about as good as it gets.[/QUOTE]

We gave up a first and a thrid.. I don't have a problem with getting Campbell, I think he is going to be a stud.. I just think if we had done the deal on draft day rather than a week before we could have made a better deal.

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[quote=Mattyk72;293053]Just a question, would anyone be happy if we got Briggs and were still able to get a quality defensive lineman at #31?[/quote]


I have sat here and thought should I respond or shouldn't I. the dumber side of me outweighted the reason side, so here goes :

1) I for one have been a strong supporter of the proposed deal. We get a lower 1st round pick, which the FO has said they wanted to do. I believe we could get a quality DT at the bottom of the draft.

2) We get a 26 year old probowl LB. I for one think, outside of Marcus, our LB play was horrible last year.

I have and always will be one of the fans who can't stand the way the FO runs this team. As far as overpaying for marginal talent, or unproven talent. But, when it comes to Briggs he is far from marginal. 26, one of the best as his position, a playmaker, arriving his prime, high motor, plays with a chip on his shoulder. I just feel last year we didn't have that swagger that we had to two previous years. Adding Briggs may get some of that back.

Now, bad side -

1) Rocky will be on the bench. We would have wasted 2 draft picks on him if we sign Briggs.
2) money. Briggs will get BIG money
3) chemistry. We will have to get rid of some players that are good locker room, role player type guys that contribute.

I will be fine with what ever they decide or what ever way this works out. I just feel from a football stand point he is a major upgrade. I think the FO feels Rocky may not be the guy if they are looking at this deal. How they can come to that conclusion so soon, I have no idea. but there has to be something there.

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I think he would fill a need but I don't think it's the most pressing one we have. If we are going to leverage that 6th overall pick we need to get DL help with it as we have been discussing here for the last two months.

The Bears have a disgruntleed player and they basically want us to take him off their hands in exchange for the 6th overall pick. I don't see why that's a good deal for us.

Also we just drafted Rocky last year. Stay the course. Stay with the lower-key approach. Let the Bears deal with their own personell problems.

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[quote=#56fanatic;293131]...I will be fine with what ever they decide or what ever way this works out....
I think the FO feels Rocky may not be the guy if they are looking at this deal. How they can come to that conclusion so soon, I have no idea. but there has to be something there.[/quote]
Excellent overall post. Some very well-stated opinions.

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[quote=#56fanatic;293131]I have sat here and thought should I respond or shouldn't I. the dumber side of me outweighted the reason side, so here goes :

1) I for one have been a strong supporter of the proposed deal. We get a lower 1st round pick, which the FO has said they wanted to do. I believe we could get a quality DT at the bottom of the draft.

2) We get a 26 year old probowl LB. I for one think, outside of Marcus, our LB play was horrible last year.

I have and always will be one of the fans who can't stand the way the FO runs this team. As far as overpaying for marginal talent, or unproven talent. But, when it comes to Briggs he is far from marginal. 26, one of the best as his position, a playmaker, arriving his prime, high motor, plays with a chip on his shoulder. I just feel last year we didn't have that swagger that we had to two previous years. Adding Briggs may get some of that back.

Now, bad side -

1) Rocky will be on the bench. We would have wasted 2 draft picks on him if we sign Briggs.
2) money. Briggs will get BIG money
3) chemistry. We will have to get rid of some players that are good locker room, role player type guys that contribute.

I will be fine with what ever they decide or what ever way this works out. I just feel from a football stand point he is a major upgrade. I think the FO feels Rocky may not be the guy if they are looking at this deal. How they can come to that conclusion so soon, I have no idea. but there has to be something there.[/quote]

I think it's purely debatable whether Birggs is actually a major upgrade or not. First off, you can't just isolate his past performance in a vacuum. He was one player on one of the top two or three defenses in the NFL.

Secondly, he has to learn a new system here, and how many times do we have to see a guy excel in one place only to flop somewhere else. Until Briggs comes here and absolutely shows out on the field, I will not be convinced that he's any significant upgrade. I'm done with all of these paper upgrades.

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[quote=12thMan;293135]I think it's purely debatable whether Birggs is actually a major upgrade or not. First off, you can't just isolate his past performance in a vacuum. He was one player on one of the top two or three defenses in the NFL.

Secondly, he has to learn a new system here, and how many times do we have to see a guy excel in one place only to flop somewhere else. Until Briggs comes here and absolutely shows out on the field, I will not be convinced that he's any significant upgrade. I'm done with all of these paper upgrades.[/quote]

good point, but all the players we have on D have had to learn this system. only Arch apparently couldn't learn it.

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[quote=#56fanatic;293139]good point, but all the players we have on D have had to learn this system. only Arch apparently couldn't learn it.[/quote]


But why chance it? I mean, is he really that much better than Rocky? As far as I'm concerned, the minute he puts on burgundy and gold, he and Rocky are on equal ground. Rocky's been in the system for a year, had a solid outing toward the end of the season, and surely has his eyes on starting this year.

As I've said previously, unless Briggs is out of this world and clearly, clearly beats out Rocky, why are we making this trade? Is he really that good?

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I'm starting to think that maybe Marcus Washington is having problems with his injury. there really is no other reason the skins would be looking at linebackers. Briggs is a fine play maker, but that is with a stout defensive line in front of him. if all our linebackers are healthy, we do not need him. now you guys can guess on how i voted

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Anyone else curious as to where Grilliams stands on Briggs? I'd have to assume that he's completely on board but he seems like he was on board for Arch at the time..

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I'd vote on all 3, but I said to trade down, we don't need Briggs, but could we use him, of course.

But I'd rather trade down.

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[quote=Paintrain;293130]We gave up a first and a thrid.. I don't have a problem with getting Campbell, I think he is going to be a stud.. I just think if we had done the deal on draft day rather than a week before we could have made a better deal.[/quote]

understood on the draft day thing, but it was important enough on that one to make the trade when we did.

just to clarify, we didn't give up a 1st for JC, we only swapped 1st rnd picks w/Denver, their's in 05 for ours in 06.
They may thought it was a steal at the time, but because we finished 05-06 in the playoffs, they ended up picking about the same place as they would have in 05 (#25). So the net result was a 3rd rnd. to denver.

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What I dislike most is that we aren't realizing our position here. We have the leverage in this deal!! The Bears have a pro-bowl player who wants no part of the team. If they don't trade him he's gonna sit out 10 games. And it doesn't seem like any other teams are interested. Hmmm, I wonder why that is? We need to be a little tougher. Why not ask for their 2nd or 3rd rounder? Aren't we giving up something like 1000 draft points in this deal (the equivalent of the 16th overall pick)? Too much.

I understand we can get Briggs and still end up with a good Dlineman at 31, but then we have no other picks till round 5. I thought we wanted to acquire more picks? The way I see it, if we pull the trigger on this deal we are getting a high maintenance, overpaid player (you KNOW we'll overpay him) who may just be the product of a system, and we're losing all ammunition to acquire more picks.

On the flip side, I'd love to hear some opinions on our current LB corps. Rocky is the only starting caliber player that will be under 30 when the season starts. Marcus is coming off multiple surgeries, Lemar, as much as I like the guy, is too small and not that good. Behind the 3 projected starters and Rocky, we have NOTHING. (Don't tell me Khary Campbell). So we do need another LB in my opinion, I just don't like this deal.

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If we do get him, they should cut Holdman right?

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;293164]understood on the draft day thing, but it was important enough on that one to make the trade when we did.

just to clarify, we didn't give up a 1st for JC, we only swapped 1st rnd picks w/Denver, their's in 05 for ours in 06.
They may thought it was a steal at the time, but because we finished 05-06 in the playoffs, they ended up picking about the same place as they would have in 05 (#25). So the net result was a 3rd rnd. to denver.[/QUOTE]

I guess if you want to look at it that way, but we didn't have a pick in the 1st round last year which is how most people see it. Either way we got a good QB out of the deal and at least we didn't get bent over by Denver like the Duckett deal.

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[quote=Tha Posse;293169]If we do get him, they should cut Holdman right?[/quote]

Holdman has already been cut. Thank God.

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Like some have stated, good linebackers can become All-Pro behind very good DTs. Harris and Johnson give Chicago's LBs time to make plays, as run stoppers, qb pressure guys and intermediate d-backs. Even during Ray Lewis' dominance, he was working behind Goose and Adams. Dominant tackles keep blockers off the linebackers, making their jobs look easy.

Having Briggs would shore up the LB position, but what's the cost? Then again, if the staff doesn't feel like McIntosh is the goods, I'm against forcing PT to justify the price tag to get him.

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[quote=GMScud;293168]What I dislike most is that we aren't realizing our position here. We have the leverage in this deal!! The Bears have a pro-bowl player who wants no part of the team. If they don't trade him he's gonna sit out 10 games. And it doesn't seem like any other teams are interested. Hmmm, I wonder why that is? We need to be a little tougher. Why not ask for their 2nd or 3rd rounder? Aren't we giving up something like 1000 draft points in this deal (the equivalent of the 16th overall pick)? Too much.

I understand we can get Briggs and still end up with a good Dlineman at 31, but then we have no other picks till round 5. I thought we wanted to acquire more picks? The way I see it, if we pull the trigger on this deal we are getting a high maintenance, overpaid player (you KNOW we'll overpay him) who may just be the product of a system, and we're losing all ammunition to acquire more picks.

On the flip side, I'd love to hear some opinions on our current LB corps. Rocky is the only starting caliber player that will be under 30 when the season starts. Marcus is coming off multiple surgeries, Lemar, as much as I like the guy, is too small and not that good. Behind the 3 projected starters and Rocky, we have NOTHING. (Don't tell me Khary Campbell). So we do need another LB in my opinion, I just don't like this deal.[/quote]


that was my point too about the LB situation. Our LB play was not all that great last year. When our D was strong - Marcus - Pierce - LaVar(little here and there) and Marshall on the outside was strong. Removing a couple of those peices seemed to hurt. I just think we can address both the LB and DL by making the deal. WE could also address both with a trade down, but I dont think this staff will take a 2nd or 3rd round LB and expect him to start righ away. This way we get a really good LB to play with Fletch and Washington, mixing in Rocky here and there and can still get a DL that should contribute.

Either way, we will be ok.

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The more I think about the Briggs deal, the more it occurs to me that Danny Snyder is like a free agent junky. The FO tried to get him to go cold turkey (OK, so they let him buy some unexciting toys such as Fletcher and Smoot), and he seemed to be doing all right. Then the Briggs trade got waved under his nose -- a high-profile player we don't need and can't afford -- and he just goes off the wagon completely. I think that the adults are trying to talk him out of it. That's what's going on right now.

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The proposed Briggs is exasperating.

If we really wanted to upgrade our WLB, why didn't we pursue one in free agency? It's not a position of need. Lemar Marshall performed there well when he had a chance plus we have Rocky. This would not only be a waste of money and draft pick for a non-need, it would further weaken team morale. I think Briggs is a very good, but not ELITE player. This only makes sense if it is for an ELITE player, Lawrence Taylor like: Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher at the top of their games. I do not believe that Briggs is in this category.

It's obvious to everyone that our biggest need is D-line, creating a pass rush. Why not draft Okoye at tackle or the best end available? That would make too much sense.

The moves over the years by the front office make it difficult to continue to be enthusiastic about this team. I really thought they were doing something different this year and making sound decisions, but, nope, same old story.

This feels so Snyder-driven. Until he is no longer in control, we may never be able to be successful.

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[quote=#56fanatic;293211]that was my point too about the LB situation. Our LB play was not all that great last year. When our D was strong - Marcus - Pierce - LaVar(little here and there) and Marshall on the outside was strong. Removing a couple of those peices seemed to hurt. I just think we can address both the LB and DL by making the deal. WE could also address both with a trade down, but I dont think this staff will take a 2nd or 3rd round LB and expect him to start righ away. This way we get a really good LB to play with Fletch and Washington, mixing in Rocky here and there and can still get a DL that should contribute.

Either way, we will be ok.[/quote]

We could use another decent LB for sure, but we have 3 solid starters now, plus a decent 4th OLB in Lemar. I don't think we need to make a move this drastic for our LBs to be very effective. Now if they threw a 2nd/3rd pick and we used the 31st on a Dlineman I suppose I'd be happy. But I worry about the MAN we're getting, not just the player. He has not handled this situation well and has made an ass of himself in the media. Plus there's all this talk that he be a product of the Tampa 2 D and all the great players around him. I smell another Trotter disaster.

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[QUOTE=B.F. SKINner;293228]The proposed Briggs is exasperating.

If we really wanted to upgrade our WLB, why didn't we pursue one in free agency? It's not a position of need. Lemar Marshall performed there well when he had a chance plus we have Rocky. This would not only be a waste of money and draft pick for a non-need, it would further weaken team morale. I think Briggs is a very good, but not ELITE player. This only makes sense if it is for an ELITE player, Lawrence Taylor like: Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher at the top of their games. I do not believe that Briggs is in this category.

It's obvious to everyone that our biggest need is D-line, creating a pass rush. Why not draft Okoye at tackle or the best end available? That would make too much sense.

The moves over the years by the front office make it difficult to continue to be enthusiastic about this team. I really thought they were doing something different this year and making sound decisions, but, nope, same old story.

This feels so Snyder-driven. Until he is no longer in control, we may never be able to be successful.[/QUOTE]

See, I think the problem is that we're looking at this as an either/or situation. Getting Briggs doesn't necessarily hurt our chances of getting a DT/DE. The draft is deep enough at that position that we could still get one later in the draft as opposed to at #6.

On a side note, for those that have seen Okoye actually play (not highlight reels), how good is he really. I mean is he demonstrably better than say a Justin Harrell? Or is the fascination with him largely due to the fact that's he so young?

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[quote=SmootSmack;293234]See, I think the problem is that we're looking at this as an either/or situation. Getting Briggs doesn't necessarily hurt our chances of getting a DT/DE. The draft is deep enough at that position that we could still get one later in the draft as opposed to at #6.

On a side note, for those that have seen Okoye actually play (not highlight reels), how good is he really. I mean is he demonstrably better than say a Justin Harrell? Or is the fascination with him largely due to the fact that's he so young?[/quote]

I haven't really broken down a whole lot of film on the man, but Okoye is young, he gets VERY high grades for his character and smarts, has a non-stop motor, and is fast enough to play end but big enough to play some DT. With the way we rotate Dlineman he would fit very nicely. I think that combination is the reason for his high draft grade. But if we picked at 31 and ended up with Carriker, Spencer, or Crowder I'd be pretty happy.

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My problem with it is we are giving to much away in the 6th over all in this draft. We should not only get thier 31st pick but thier 3rd or 2nd or both if they wanted Marshall!

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There's not much to add to the views already expressed about the proposed Briggs deal, but I will say this. The more I think about it's prospects, the more I'm convinced this FO and coaching staff apears to have little interest in deveoping young talent.

Trade down, trade down, is an opinion that has been expressed here more than once, however, trading down is not an absolute, it takes two to tango coupled with a deal that makes sense for both sides. Further, I'm confused at that concept because of the teams seemingly lack of interest where young players are concerned. Is it that there's not an impact player at #6 that could come in and help our D-line right away, or is it that the team does not want to pay the price at #6 for an unproven player?

I'm not convinced we could expect to aquire a quality D-lineman at #31. D-lineman are gobblers on draft day because most teams understand and appreciate their value. Any team looking to trade up with the Redskins are looking to take one of those d-linemen that we should take. The difference is those teams looking to aquire that player have intentions of developing him where we can only look at the results of players like Rocky McIntosh.

I don't see an immediate need for Briggs at this time. I am however reminded of watching a team whose D-line was so weak it couldn't get to the QB even when the LB's blitzed. Let's look to get the help where we need it, and that's up front. Briggs is a good player but not what we need at this time.

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It would be like living Groundhogs Day but just doing the ****ing exact same thing, over and over and over again.

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Akin to Chinese water tourcher.

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I just think LB is low on the priority list.
Unless MW hip is not healing as planned? Or thay don't think Rocky can be a strong #1, which I don't think any of us know at this point. Would have liked to seen more of him last year.
I'm just not sure what all the hype is about, over getting BRIGGS in DC?
We certainly have greater NEEDS that have to be adressed!

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[quote=RedskinPete;293254]My problem with it is we are giving to much away in the 6th over all in this draft. We should not only get thier 31st pick but thier 3rd or 2nd or both if they wanted Marshall![/quote]
My thoughts exactly! Plus we couldn't trade up to get CJ!!!!

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That would be cool and all but we really don't need CJ. I think lloyd will come through this year. Anyway, the more I think about it this may be a good thing as long as we can get a good DT at 31 and MAYBE DE somewhere. Who knows!

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We should have gone after Briggs before we signed Fletcher. We is our front office thinking?

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[quote=12thMan;293140]But why chance it? I mean, is he really that much better than Rocky? As far as I'm concerned, the minute he puts on burgundy and gold, he and Rocky are on equal ground. Rocky's been in the system for a year, had a solid outing toward the end of the season, and surely has his eyes on starting this year.

As I've said previously, unless Briggs is out of this world and clearly, clearly beats out Rocky, why are we making this trade? Is he really that good?[/quote]

I dont think you can put Rocky in the same class as Briggs. Briggs has been to a couple of pro-bowls and is regarded as one of the top LB's in the NFL. Rocky hasn't even started half the season, and the announcers would probably have to look at their sheet to figure out who #52 is.
Briggs is A TON better than Rocky at this point.
Major upgrade.

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im pretty neutral to the idea. on one hand you get one of the best young tackling LBs in the league who (hate to say it) would be a great replacement for marcus who might have to go next year due to cap and sub-pro bowl performance but . . . your going to have to pay lance big (even if he only counts 3-5M the first few years), stunt rockys growth even more (lance started as a rookie) when i want to see what he can do, and move too far back in the draft to snag one of the top tier DL prospects . . . i say pass on briggs and try n trade down, i really think trading down to the early mid first round drafting a yound DL prospect for good comparative pay plus picking up an additional second rounder for BPA/need is the way to go . . . all draft picks run the risk of failure but we are not going to the superbowl this year so why not wait to see if we can sign briggs next offseason (when his signing demand may be less given a year out of the limelight) and use this year to make sure we are serious contenders in 08!!