Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

I just don't buy this rumor.

But let's think about it this way, Rosenhaus and Snyder have a great business relationship, right?

This situation could simply be Rosenhaus calling up his buddy and saying "Hey Danny, help me out a bit, let me float some rumors out there about you being interested in my client to get contact talks moving with the Bears".

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

The only way i see this happening is if their is a team that is willing to trade their first round pick straight up for briggs but is not low enough for the bears liking. If we do this trade and we get the 31st overall, then trade briggs to this team and get a mid 1st round pick im all for it. Hopefully the FO can squeeze out a 3rd or 4th from chicago and this would be beautiful in my opinion. I would probaly crap my self if the skins picked twice in the first round.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

In reply to my prior thread i think we would actually need that 3rd or 4th rounder to go along with briggs for the 2nd first rounder.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

and it would definitely be a high first round pick not a mid round. My first post was retarded.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

this is plain stupid...bad choice of picks...disgruntled player...and we have enough linebackers....there has to be one stupid move to make me hate the offseason each year I guess

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;291513]According to [URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6613558"]Jay Glazer[/URL], Dan Snyder personally told FoxSports that he is interested in the trade.[/QUOTE]

Kind of interesting how in the article he talks about Gibbs needs to sign off on it. So does that mean, if it happens we can lay the blame squarely on Gibbs for it?

I still don't get the move though.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

maybe it's like L davis. gibbs and snyder are just trying to get another NFC east team to stress and overbid...

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;291549]Kind of interesting how in the article he talks about Gibbs needs to sign off on it. So does that mean, if it happens we can lay the blame squarely on Gibbs for it?

I still don't get the move though.[/QUOTE]

I was interested to learn who was responsible. The article does seem to imply that this is Danny's doing. I wonder what kind of authority Gibbs has when Danny wants to do something.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

i swear dude, our offseasons are like never ending nightmares. everytime i think we are heading in the right direction with our moves, our fo has a flippin brain fart and thinks up this non-sence. if this happens, forget just next season, we are setting back our team like 5 years!!! how r we gonna completly not pay attention to our glaring needs, i mean tiki "today" barber ran like 200 yards and 3 td's the last game we played...RIGHT UP THE GUT!!! what the hell is another outside linebaker gonna do to fix that? i cant take this anymore. i mean this site is for the knowlegeable fan right? WE ALL AGREE THIS IS BAD!!! can we do anything to stop this? theres gotta be something, i cant sit by and watch my team make another bad decision. its almost like having another little sister dude

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Ok, so let's step back and look at this trade. I don't have a problem with getting Briggs, and drop from #6 to #31 may not be a total disaster if someone is there at D-Line (I know they have shown interest in Quentin Moses, but #31 may be a little high for him)

But a.) we need more picks and b.) are we committed to Rocky or not?

But does anyone else find it weird that Snyder would even comment at all?

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

We definately need more picks, it appears that we are not comitted to Rocky at all, and this whole thing is strange and incredibly aggravating.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;291566]We definately need more picks, it appears that we are not comitted to Rocky at all, and this whole thing is strange and incredibly aggravating.[/quote] Yea what he said....I really wanna believe this is all a bad dream. Maybe all of us will wake up and realize that this rumor never started. kinda like in that bullsh&t tv series, from that bullsh&t hick town ,Big D!!! . Jr never got shot. Elvis is still alive , and hanging out with jimi hendrix , janis joplin, jim morrison, ray charles, Please ...Won't somebody tell me this isn't true....Its just gotta be a really Bad dream

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=wushawn;291559]can we do anything to stop this? theres gotta be something, i cant sit by and watch my team make another bad decision. its almost like having another little sister dude[/quote]

haha man that's right on. The FO is like a self-deprecating girl who chases some guy even though she knows he is gonna screw her

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Still don't believe it...

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

This thread is actually very humorous...

First of all, whenever the Skins have someone they need to trade or cut, someone here thinks that they ought to trade him for a 2nd round or a 1st round pick. Any Skins' player - no matter how surplus he is to this team or how marginal his skills are - is worth a high draft pick. Now the Skins are rumored to be interested in a guy who has already shown he is a Pro Bowl caliber linebacker. To get him, the Skins need not give up a pick; all they have to do is switch positions in the first round to get him. But now, the Pro Bowl player isn't enough for folks here unless the Bears ALSO throw in a couple of other picks too. Say what? :confused:

Suppose - JUST SUPPOSE - the guy the Skins take at #6 turns out to be as effective as some of their other high first round picks have been. Heath Shuler, Michael Westbrook, that "Heisman Trophy receiver" who turned out to be a punt returner, or Rod Gardner to name a couple. Wouldn't a Pro Bowl linebacker look awfully good in exchange for one of those guys?

Now here's why I would NOT make the deal - and it has nothing to do with getting additional picks from the Bears. The Bears play a completely different defense than the Skins do. That's why Adam Archuletta might actually be useful to them. Briggs will have to learn what to do in a completely different system - - and we saw how easy that was for Archuletta, right? Briggs will command - no he will DEMAND - a huge payday to come here and he'll come here needing to learn a whole new defense. I would not pay a huge salary and lose draft position for that kind of risk. :nono:

But if you just look at the rumored trade for what it is, a Pro Bowl linebacker is worth a switch in first round positions. What's your higher draft pick going to do? Go to the Pro Bowl? Hell, Briggs has already been there and done that...

Let's see, suppose the Raiders have an interest in Ade Jimoh for their secondary. Of course the Skins should get the overall #1 pick in this year's draft for Jimoh plus a third rounder this year and next year's first round pick. That would be fair... :thumb:

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Not worried at all. This is a bad trade. We might have overpaid recentley with regards to draft picks, but this is just silly. Snyder does not make these calls anymore. Everybody in the organization has been told to act crazy and no one has a clue what we are doing.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Linebacker? Please. Remember when we had the best LB corp in the world with LaVar, Trotter and Armstead? Linebackers can be had. Why not just wait a year if you really want Briggs anyway? Isn't he signed to a one year contract? If JG pulls the trigger on this deal he has truly lost it.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Hey WilsoWilso,

What's up bro?

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

SC,

It's not just the trade values that people are concerned with (and I think that there are reasons to be concerned), it is also the fact that the D-line is our biggest area of need, but Briggs doesn't play DE or DT.

On a related note, I think people are concerned that a great DT/DE is worth more than a great OLB to any defense. Granted, Briggs is a proven OLB whereas draft prospects are not, but Briggs might look a little better in Chi-town than he would in D.C. given the talent he is surrounded by in Chicago. So, scheme issues aside, how good will Briggs be (or appear) on a team with less talented company? Who knows.

I think people are also concerned about Briggs' contract demands. Briggs is likely seeking more than $15M in guaranteed money on a deal averaging about $6-$7M per year. Vernon Davis, last year's 6th overall pick, got a 5 year $23M deal, so we're probably looking at a 5 year deal worth no more $30M this year for a [I]DT/DE[/I] (who, in FA, are a lot pricier than DTs/DEs).

Finally, I think people are miffed because they expected us to trade down from the 6th pick to acquire a 2nd or 3rd rounder. By trading for Briggs, we obviously lose out on such a swap (assuming it would have been available).

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Briggs is a great player, but I think the reason that people are reacting as negatively as they are is that this deal represents another attempt to shortcut the draft process by bringing in guys who were groomed in other people's systems. It appeared that we finally had learned our lesson and were committed to maximizing both this and future drafts, and then we here that, once again, we are interested in bringing in the next big name. If we are going to drop that far down in draft position it should not be to add another probowler to maybe our deepest position, but to pick up later round picks who can provide the depth that we so sorely lack.

I can't help but think there is something very fishy here, and I will be shocked if this actually happens. But if it does, well, here we go again.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

we still have a first round pick though if it happens, so instead of getting just 1 player at 6 we get a pro bowler who is in his prime and a low first round pick. i think a lot of people are reacting poorly because they are excited about the draft and want to see us have a high pick, or have their hearts set on trading down. this trade wouldnt be as bad as its made out to be. there are tons of good DE's in this draft, and from what ive heard from sirius nfl radio good prospects at DE can be had later on in the 1st round and even the 2nd round. they even said the DE prospects are all very similar throughout the top part

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

My only real problem with this trade is we just traded up last year to get Rocky McIntosh and then we signed London Fletcher-Baker earlier this month. Add that to Marshall and Washington and why do we need another LB?

Is my radical plan of moving Marshall to safety happening? Are they switching to at 3-4? Is Rocky going to be some sort of jack-of-all-trades backer off the bench? Is MW still hurt and are they looking to move him next?

On the other hand, are we just an intermediary party for Briggs to get to another team? Might be a bit off the wall thinking, but what if Team X is saying to us "Yeah, we'd love to trade you those picks but we're holding out for Briggs" Then we come back and say "Hey, we just got Briggs you want him you give us those picks"

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

i think we are truely over-valuing marshall. he is an ok player, but nowhere near the level of briggs. rocky can play all 3 spots so he will see plenty of time this year. i think if an outsider were to give their opinion on marshall they would think that he could easily be upgraded. solid backup, but not as good a starter as we are making him out to be

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

I hope it goes through as reported so I can once again say I was right!

The very fact that this trade has so much as an once of truth to it just shows how utterly stupid Gibbs and co. truely are. They have learned absolutly nothing from the AA signing last off season, we are not talking about Lawerence Taylor or Sean Merriman here, [who we could have drafted if we had half a brain] we are talking about a good LB in a system that is designed to accent his production, Lovey is very good at this as we discovered with AA, and here we are on the verge of doing it again, the funny thing is if the player we just had to have last draft Rocky, [no relation to Stallone] had been drafted by the Bears we would probably be talking about possible rookie of the year honors for him on defense.

Just the fact that there is a rumor like this out there makes us look like what we are, the laughing stock of the NFL. Gibbs on the other hand needs to see a Psychiatrist, because he is off the wall crazy to make any kind of deal for a LB that will cost us what little draft picks we have, let alone one that will cost us our #6 pick.

This rumor just can't be true, there is no way that they could be that stupid!

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;291585]My only real problem with this trade is we just traded up last year to get Rocky McIntosh and then we signed London Fletcher-Baker earlier this month. Add that to Marshall and Washington and why do we need another LB?

Is my radical plan of moving Marshall to safety happening? Are they switching to at 3-4? Is Rocky going to be some sort of jack-of-all-trades backer off the bench? Is MW still hurt and are they looking to move him next?

On the other hand, are we just an intermediary party for Briggs to get to another team? Might be a bit off the wall thinking, but what if Team X is saying to us "Yeah, we'd love to trade you those picks but we're holding out for Briggs" Then we come back and say "Hey, we just got Briggs you want him you give us those picks"[/QUOTE]

All these answers and more on the next episode of soap.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Big C;291502]well marshall is 30 and will be 31 in december and washington is turning 30 this year, fletcher is 32 so we arent exactly youthful at the linebacker position, this would help[/quote]

We could wind up with Briggs and a DE like Anthony Spencer, or another stud at DE of DT, which might be what the Skins are thinking. I think the draft is about seven deep in quality DE's and three deep in DT's. However, I still don't like it. I'd rather have Okoye, Anderson, Carriker, or Adams. Adams, by the way, has plenty of room on his frame to bulk up without cutting his speed and Carriker is the best DL on the board in relation to effectiveness against both the pass and the run.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Something that was allegedly on a scroll at the bottom of a screen is a shaky basis for speculation. They might have left off important additional information about such a trade. Whoever puts those things on the scroll wants to get people stimulated so they will want to watch their network.

An actual verbal report would at least be somewhat more substantial, and even that anything but certainly reliable in my view.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=offiss;291587]I hope it goes through as reported so I can once again say I was right![/QUOTE]

Even when you're wrong you still find some way to say you're right. I hope the trade doesn't go through. Not so I can say "Hey Grim21Reaper and I are right, the team is making smart decisions this offseason," but because it's the best move for the team in my opinion. I guess being right or wrong doesn't seem to matter as much to some of us as it does to others

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=offiss;291588]All these answers and more on the next episode of soap.[/QUOTE]

Is Joe Gibbs Chester Tate?

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;291591]Even when you're wrong you still find some way to say you're right. I hope the trade doesn't go through. Not so I can say "Hey Grim21Reaper and I are right, the team is making smart decisions this offseason," but because it's the best move for the team in my opinion. I guess being right or wrong doesn't seem to matter as much to some of us as it does to others[/QUOTE]

Actually me being right seems to matter a whole lot to you, why? Because it usually means your wrong.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=offiss;291593]Actually me being right seems to matter a whole lot to you, why? Because it usually means your wrong.[/QUOTE]

I really don't care. So don't sweat it

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote][B][SIZE=3]Redskins may put together offer for Bears' Briggs[/SIZE][/B]

PHOENIX -- While a proposal has yet to be formalized, the [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was"]Washington Redskins[/URL] will make a trade offer to the [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=chi"]Chicago Bears[/URL] aimed at acquiring two-time Pro Bowl weakside linebacker [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6404"]Lance Briggs[/URL], agent Drew Rosenhaus and two league sources told ESPN.com late Monday night.
Washington will propose a swap of first-round draft picks in this year's draft -- the Redskins own the sixth overall selection and Chicago has the 31st choice in the lottery -- in exchange for Briggs. The potential deal, which is expected to pick up steam on Tuesday morning as the annual NFL meetings continue here, would be contingent on the Redskins signing Briggs to a long-term contract.
[/quote][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2814052"]ESPN.com - NFL - Agent: Bears' Briggs could go to Redskins in trade[/URL]

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[QUOTE=offiss;291593]Actually me being right seems to matter a whole lot to you, why? Because it usually means your wrong.[/QUOTE]

[B][SIZE="5"]BAN HIM!!!![/SIZE][/B], He is not a puppet, therefor he should get the [B]PorterHouse treatment[/B]!!!! :joke:

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Why is everyone asking if the Redskins are switching to a 3-4 deffense? I am not sure I am following the thinking. Is it because of the amount of LB's we would have if we got Briggs? I mean the Bears ran a 4-3 last year with Briggs on the weak side. So where are these thoughts of the Redskins switching to a 3-4 coming from?

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE]Redskins may put together offer for Bears' Briggs

PHOENIX -- While a proposal has yet to be formalized, the Washington Redskins will make a trade offer to the Chicago Bears aimed at acquiring two-time Pro Bowl weakside linebacker Lance Briggs, agent Drew Rosenhaus and two league sources told ESPN.com late Monday night.
Washington will propose a swap of first-round draft picks in this year's draft -- the Redskins own the sixth overall selection and Chicago has the 31st choice in the lottery -- in exchange for Briggs. The potential deal, which is expected to pick up steam on Tuesday morning as the annual NFL meetings continue here, would be contingent on the Redskins signing Briggs to a long-term contract. [/QUOTE]

I imagine the Bears are like a little kid on christmas eve waiting on our proposal! They get rid of a player who doesn't want to be there for the 6th pick in the draft, and will proably plug another no name in there and not miss a beat next season. Then we can talk all year on why Briggs isn't as good with us as he was with the Bears, Rocky can then finish the year as the weakside LB. Briggs is not Wilbur Marshall!

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=Redskins8588;291597]Why is everyone asking if the Redskins are switching to a 3-4 deffense? I am not sure I am following the thinking. Is it because of the amount of LB's we would have if we got Briggs? I mean the Bears ran a 4-3 last year with Briggs on the weak side. So where are these thoughts of the Redskins switching to a 3-4 coming from?[/QUOTE]

I was only kidding when I asked it, mainly because we have so many LBs. With that in mind though, can Briggs come packaged with an Ian Scott or a Tommie Harris?

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

I am speechless. How is it possible the the Redskins FO are actually considering this trade? It is yet another example of the Redskins having apparently a completely different value system than EVERY OTHER NFL TEAM OF THE FACE OF THE PLANET. The difference in value (just by the chart) between the 6th and 31st picks is 1,000 points, which is the equivalent of the #16 overall pick in the first round. Find me another team that would trade the 16th pick for a disgruntled LB who wants a FAT new contract. No other team in the NFL would give up more than a 2nd for Briggs, not a single one. I challenge you to find the team that would give up more than that. i don't care how many Pro Bowls he's been to, this is just a gross overvaluation of the player.

Even if he came in and did well it would still be a bad trade. It is like going to your Stock Trader, saying that you really like Amazon and the way Amazon does business. They have preformed well in the past and you think they will do well in the future. As a result you tell your trader that you don't want to pay the going rate, but instead want to pay TWICE the current price. Even if you ended up making money in the end, that would be a stupid deal. No one trades down from 6 to 31. I feel fairly safe in saying it has probably never happened before and there is a reason for that. It is because every other team in the NFL values their draft picks, the Redskins apparently still do not. If this trade goes through it is really going to challenge my loyalty as a fan and that is really saying something. The only way this deal would make any sense is if we were getting a healthy Tommie Harris back in return. Adding a very good linebacker to a team that needs some very good defensive linemen, giving up too much in order to do so, paying out yet another big contract . . . IT IS LIKE WE ARE FREAKING SPINNING OUR WHEELS, I can't take much more of this!

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=Big C;291584]we still have a first round pick though if it happens, so instead of getting just 1 player at 6 we get a pro bowler who is in his prime and a low first round pick. i think a lot of people are reacting poorly because they are excited about the draft and want to see us have a high pick, or have their hearts set on trading down. this trade wouldnt be as bad as its made out to be. there are tons of good DE's in this draft, and from what ive heard from sirius nfl radio good prospects at DE can be had later on in the 1st round and even the 2nd round. they even said the DE prospects are all very similar throughout the top part[/QUOTE]

Yeah but dropping 26 spots in the first round would be worth at least an additional two draft picks. Plus it is one of the few positions at which we have reasonable depth. It just makes no sense to do this deal. Briggs was a third round draft pick who excelled in a well designed system, playing besides some of the best defensive players in the league. There is no question he is great, but even if he maintains his level of success with us, we already have guys at that position who can play. Why not use the draft to address our needs and add some depth?

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

probably saying they're into the trade t get the giants/iggles/roids to bite and overpay. I can't believe the skins would actually pull the trigger on this.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

I still maintain though that the real issue here with us fans is what this symbolizes. This is just so typical of the type of deal the Skins do every year. If it wasn't for the past what might be saying hey, great player, pull the trigger, but this was supposed to be the year where we finally figured it out.

All you have to do is listen to Portis's year end rant on the Thompson show to see how the players feel about these kind of moves. If this happens I am getting drunk by myself and throwing things.