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i have absolutely no interest in soccer, but.. i cant lie, i made sure i saw the headbutt that everyone was talking about. i guarantee tons more people around here would be watching if that kind of stuff happened more. and im with saden, i am ready for some football

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Great [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/dr_z/07/10/zidane/index.html"]article from Dr. Z[/URL] on the head-butt. Sorry, my teaser is a little long here:

[QUOTE]Picture this. Michael Strahan is tired of offensive linemen grabbing him, strangling him, chopping at his legs, talking never-ending trash, generally messing with him in fringe illegal methods and getting away with it. So he head-butts someone.

Will he get thrown out of the game? Probably not. He'll get a flag. But put him in the context of World Cup Football and the ridiculous grand opera tragedy it has become and he would not only get thrown out but a lifetime of greatness would be ruined -- at least for now.

Zinedine Zidane is not a flopper or a whiner or a moaner. I have never seen him pull one of those scenes from the last act of La Boheme, enacting his death tableau on the field after the merest brush of contact. I haven't seen him lying there at death's door while they go through with the most ridiculous of all dramas, the entry of the stretcher.[/QUOTE]

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BBC Radio Five Live asked for help from a deaf lip reader, Jessica Rees, who read the words phonetically to an Italian translator.

She deciphered the insult as being "you're the son of a terrorist whore" - a translation also carried by many national newspapers in Britain on Tuesday.

The BBC's Ten O'Clock News also called in experts to study the television footage of the incident and determined the following:

Materazzi's first word to Zidane was "no" before he then told him to "calm down".

He then accused him of being a "liar" and wished "an ugly death to you and your family" on the day the Frenchman's mother had been taken to hospital ill. This was followed by "Go f*** yourself".

Zidane's agent, Alain Migliaccio, has hinted that Zidane will soon reveal exactly what was said by Materazzi.

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i hate it when idiots like dr. z try and write about soccer when they dont have a clue, having to compare it to football, it doesnt work.

dont see how people can say soccer is boring and love to watch baseball to be honest...

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Great [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/dr_z/07/10/zidane/index.html"]article from Dr. Z[/URL] on the head-butt. Sorry, my teaser is a little long here:[/QUOTE]

Maybe Strahan doesn't get booted from the game for a helmet-to-helmet head butt, but he would if he spat on his opponent. Zidane's headbutt is like Taylor's spit.

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[quote=Big C]i hate it when idiots like dr. z try and write about soccer when they dont have a clue, having to compare it to football, it doesnt work.

dont see how people can say soccer is boring and love to watch baseball to be honest...[/quote]

Z's right though. The whole reason players flop so much in soccer is because players get red cards and get thrown out of the entire game if they lash out. If you can make a little hip check look like a major takedown, then you can gain a serious advantage for your team. Hence the whole stretcher thing, the more they make it look like a serious injury, the better chance the ref has of pulling the red card. Which is, of course, ridiculous.

Soccer needs to get rid of that stupid rule. In the NFL players take swipes at each other and get 15-yard flags. It's hard to get ejected. In baseball, if you throw at a guy's head you'll usually get a warning. Soccer's automatic ejections for stuff like this give a big advantage to the other team, so no wonder you have a bunch of guys flopping around like a bunch of vaginas.

I mean why not do it like hockey? You take a swing at someone, you get a 5-minute major. Sit out for 5 minutes and get back in there. Having a one-man advantage for an entire game swings the outcome of the game way too much. Should one moment of indiscretion affect an entire team's chances of winning THAT much? It's the rules that are causing those guys to flop around like a bunch of limp-wristed girly-men.

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[quote=TAFKAS]Maybe Strahan doesn't get booted from the game for a helmet-to-helmet head butt, but he would if he spat on his opponent. Zidane's headbutt is like Taylor's spit.[/quote]

He would also get thrown out if he threw a punch. I don't care if you think that the italian guy flopped or over-reacted, that headbutt would hurt like hell.

I said before, Zidane obviously knows how to use his head to his advantage from years of playing soccer.
Also, the italian was running into it, which probably increased the force of the impact.
And, third, Zidane actually could have literally killed him with that shot. I know it sounds like I'm being dramatic, but it could have stopped his heart. A year or two ago the captain for Cornell's Lax team was killed when he took a ball to the chest because it caused his heart to stop. Likewise, I remember reading a few years ago that some drunk friends were trying to see who could withstand the hardest punch to the chest. One of them died when his sternum cracked and stopped his heart.

I just feel like the more I see that hit the worse it gets.

soccer is still pretty boring though

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[quote=TAFKAS]Maybe Strahan doesn't get booted from the game for a helmet-to-helmet head butt, but he would if he spat on his opponent. Zidane's headbutt is like Taylor's spit.[/quote]

Yeah, and I'm on record saying Taylor shouldn't have been ejected for that. But I'm not going to go there again.

There is a difference though. When Taylor was sent out, we could replace him with Prioleau. When Zidane went out, Italy got a one-man advantage FOR THE REST OF THE GAME. It has too great an affect on the outcome.

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[quote=Schneed10]Yeah, and I'm on record saying Taylor shouldn't have been ejected for that. But I'm not going to go there again.

There is a difference though. When Taylor was sent out, we could replace him with Prioleau. When Zidane went out, Italy got a one-man advantage FOR THE REST OF THE GAME. It has too great an affect on the outcome.[/quote]

That's all the more reason that Zidane should have been smarter about the whole thing.

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I said before, Zidane obviously knows how to use his head to his advantage from years of playing soccer.
Also, the italian was running into it, which probably increased the force of the impact.
And, third, Zidane actually could have literally killed him with that shot. [B]I know it sounds like I'm being dramatic, but it could have stopped his heart.[/B] A year or two ago the captain for Cornell's Lax team was killed when he took a ball to the chest because it caused his heart to stop. Likewise, I remember reading a few years ago that some drunk friends were trying to see who could withstand the hardest punch to the chest. One of them died when his sternum cracked and stopped his heart.

I just feel like the more I see that hit the worse it gets.

soccer is still pretty boring though[/quote]

That's definitely pretty dramatic. You know the odds on that happening? That's like me dressing in rubber clothing everytime I go out in a thunderstorm for fear of getting hit by lightning.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz]That's all the more reason that Zidane should have been smarter about the whole thing.[/quote]

Oh yeah, no doubt. He should know the rules and he's a moron. I can't fault the Italian for trying to instigate. And Zidane should know that a red-card would basically end his chances at winning. He knows the rules and he should play by them.

But I hate that rule. It's ridiculous. One act and you're gone for the whole game, man-advantage for the other team. That's not soccer, it becomes a game of who can piss the other players off to the point where they lash out. Pretty lame.

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[quote=Schneed10]That's definitely pretty dramatic. You know the odds on that happening? That's like me dressing in rubber clothing everytime I go out in a thunderstorm for fear of getting hit by lightning.[/quote]

Maybe saying he could have killed him is going a bit overboard, but he definitely could have cracked his sternum. I knew a kid in high school that cracked his own sternum during a wrestling match on a simple take down. If you hit it right it's going to crack, and that headbutt realy could have done some damage.

Plus, I feel like that incident was seperate from all the obvious flopping that goes on in soccer. No matter how you look at it, Zidane blatantly broke the rules and he had to face the consequences for that. Also, the ref has to kick a player out for an action like that in order to maintain order in the game. If Zidane had been allowed to stay in I'd be willing to bet a ton that a fight would have quickly broken out.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz]Maybe saying he could have killed him is going a bit overboard, but he definitely could have cracked his sternum. I knew a kid in high school that cracked his own sternum during a wrestling match on a simple take down. If you hit it right it's going to crack, and that headbutt realy could have done some damage.

Plus, I feel like that incident was seperate from all the obvious flopping that goes on in soccer. No matter how you look at it, Zidane blatantly broke the rules and he had to face the consequences for that. Also, the ref has to kick a player out for an action like that in order to maintain order in the game. If Zidane had been allowed to stay in I'd be willing to bet a ton that a fight would have quickly broken out.[/quote]

You're right. I agree that specific incident merited an ejection. It was a blatant attack on a player. A physical attack like that is worse than spitting and deserves an ejection.

I guess I just take issue with the rule in general. It's set up to encourage instigation of this type of response. I think Soccer should do it like either Football or Hockey. If you're going to eject a player for something like this, let the team replace him, don't give a man-advantage for the rest of the game. Or at least have a penaty box where you have the man-advantage for only 5 or 10 minutes.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]Do you have to pay per pound to keep them at all? When I was in Hawaii we had to pay a fee to keep some of them.[/quote]In Virginia we have to have a fishing license and for some fish there is a limit per person. Like for flounder they have a minimun size of 16 1/2 inches and a maximum of 6 fish per person. Most days we do not catch our limits we just had a good day.

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Did you know they're considering injecting trout with creatine to make sport fishing more "challenging".

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[quote=TAFKAS]Did you know they're considering injecting trout with creatine to make sport fishing more "challenging".[/quote]juiced up fish??

sounds like a bad fishing story to me.

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I heard the boneheaded Frenchie won the Golden Ball Outstanding Player award for the World Cup.

He lost the championship for his team because he's an immature and violent fool..and they say he's the best player.

YET MORE proof that soccer is pathetic!

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Here it is...he got the Golden Ball.

[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_ylt=AvtoyKK9MhANYfnaKNWVUOcmw7YF?slug=ap-wcup-goldenball-zidane&prov=ap&type=lgns[/url]

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HA! The "MVP" scored 3 goals in the whole tournament. He as many yellow cards as goals, and a red card on top of that.

Soccer is dumb. I'm ready for REAL football in the news.

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The main sponsors of soccor icon Zinedine Zidane rallied around the retiring France Football captain on Tuesday despite his dismissal for head-butting an opponent in the closing stages of Sunday's World Cup Final. Sponsors from food group Danone to German sports goods giants Adidas rushed to support the man who fired France to victory in the 1998 World Cup.

Adidas, Zidane's long time sponser, said they are launching a website so that fans can perosnally thank him. They also said that he has been their ambassador for the past 10 years and will remain so through 2017. In fact, and I'm quoting Reuters, they said he can remain as long as he wishes.

This guy makes $11 million dollars a year from endorsements!! Wow!

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Maybe he can be the new spokesman for "Advil: The Headache Medicine".

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I must admit that I lost respect for Zidane after watching the head-butt (yes, I was watching the game live). However, after understanding what Materazzi said (from the deaf lip reader), I don't blame him one bit. Soccer is important to Zidane, and the World Cup is important to Zidane, but neither is more important than the dignity of his mother and his family (and the head-butt shows that). I totally understand why he did that, and I would not expect him to react any differently now (even after the world's reaction). He simply doesn't care enough about soccer or the world cup to allow some one to say something like that without retaliation.

Props for Zidane.

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[quote=Buster]HA! The "MVP" scored 3 goals in the whole tournament.[/quote]

3 goals is actually a lot. There was only one player in the world cup with more (Klose with 5, and they didn't make it to the finals)--everyone else had three or less.

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In 1998, didn't Zidane pull a Marcus Vick and stomp on some Saudi Arabian player while he was lying on the ground? Was he provoked then also?

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[quote=TAFKAS]In 1998, didn't Zidane pull a Marcus Vick and stomp on some Saudi Arabian player while he was lying on the ground? Was he provoked then also?[/quote]

Yes he did, but I don't know if it was provoked.

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[quote=TAFKAS]In 1998, didn't Zidane pull a Marcus Vick and stomp on some Saudi Arabian player while he was lying on the ground? Was he provoked then also?[/quote]

I faintly remember hearing something about that, but in the US those soccer stories are mostly ignored. However, I am not surprised...Zidane is a mean SOB. I don't know if it was provoked, but if the guy is laying on the ground already it doesn't really matter, right?

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[QUOTE=TheInspector]Soccer is important to Zidane, and the World Cup is important to Zidane, but neither is more important than the dignity of his mother and his family (and the head-butt shows that). I totally understand why he did that, and I would not expect him to react any differently now (even after the world's reaction). He simply doesn't care enough about soccer or the world cup to allow some one to say something like that without retaliation.

Props for Zidane.[/QUOTE]

i concur... if it was about the family or being called a terrorist- that's reason enough to retaliate. there's a reason why the world isn't castigating him.

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[quote=Buster]HA! The "MVP" scored 3 goals in the whole tournament. He as many yellow cards as goals, and a red card on top of that.

Soccer is dumb. I'm ready for REAL football in the news.[/quote]

No offense Buster, but you really shouldn't call out the most popular sport in the world like that without actually supporting yourself, and putting forth a decent arguement. It is this ignorance of the game, that also creates a negative image of Americans. As mentioned before 3 goals is a lot in the torney, Klose had 5, henry had 3, etc. Beside the goals, he pretty much controlled midfield, and set up some brillant goals. Another point; the votes for the golden award thingy were counted before the headbutt, therefore the voters did not have that issue in mind when voting.

I understand the frustration us Americans have with the flopping, and hopefully FIFA starts giving more yellows for flops, but what really frustrates me, is how as a nation, we need high scoring action, or we consider it boring. Some of the best games in soccer are 0-0 ties. Yeah its 90 freaking minutes, and no goals, so deal with it. It really shows that some people do not have the patience to admire the finer points of the world's greatest game. Do you know why there are so few goals? It's because scoring a goal in soccer is much harder than to score in a game of football. The whole team has to keep pushing, and flowing at almost a perfect rate, or their has to be a very very rare mistake. If you take that into consideration, you would realize that Zidane's 3 goals is a great stat, and we also know that all stats on paper do not explain what a player has done in a game.

It is people like you that have ruined the game of soccer. FIFA is trying to increase goals, by have lighter balls, that can drop and swing off unexpectidly, making it harder for the goalie to stop. They are also calling more bullshit calls, which increase the set pieces, and penalty kicks, which add to goals, just to please people who do not have the patience or appreciation of the game. Because of people who do not appreciate the finer points of game, the NBA, MLB, and yes even our beloved NFL have changed to rules to please people who can't FCKING sit and try to enjoy the game without bitching. Now pass interference rules are almost ridiculous, which makes even more high scoring games, and almost kills the contact sport aspect, at the CB position. The refs call everything in the NBA even if you rest your arm on a player while play D, like for D. Wade in the finals, and now its considered good D if you hold and opponent to under 100 points. All of this just to please people who want more scores.

I am sick of this shit, people need to start being open and quit bitching. No one is fucking dissing soccer in that nature, without me saying anything.

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The Italian player, who happens to make millions of dollars, in a press conference admitted he insulted Zidane. He also said:

[QUOTE]I'm not cultured and I don't even know what an Islamic terrorist is."[/QUOTE]

Now come on, you don't have to be genius to know that he is trying to cover his ass by playing dumb. There are certain things you should never utter unless you're looking for a fight. All I know is I'm looking forward to hearing what Zidane has to say about the whole thing.

p.s. The Italian is lucky he didn't headbutt him in the face.

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hooskins - great post. couldn't do it any better.

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[quote=hooskins]I understand the frustration us Americans have with the flopping, and hopefully FIFA starts giving more yellows for flops, [I][B]but what really frustrates me, is how as a nation, we need high scoring action, or we consider it boring.[/B][/I] Some of the best games in soccer are 0-0 ties. Yeah its 90 freaking minutes, and no goals, so deal with it. It really shows that some people do not have the patience to admire the finer points of the world's greatest game. Do you know why there are so few goals? It's because scoring a goal in soccer is much harder than to score in a game of football.[/quote]

I agree with all your points except for this one. This is kind of like saying that people SHOULD appreciate wine and taste all the subtleties when it's really just how we're raised. We are raised in an unfortunately fast-paced society and I don't see anything wrong with enjoying high scoring action. That's another reason baseball isn't more popular than it is. I believe that the "majority" of sports have their charm and no one is better than the other "value"-wise, but it's something that has a simply subjective entertainment. It's wrong for anyone to say that people are idiots for not enjoying this sport or that sport.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]I agree with all your points except for this one. This is kind of like saying that people SHOULD appreciate wine and taste all the subtleties when it's really just how we're raised. We are raised in an unfortunately fast-paced society and I don't see anything wrong with enjoying high scoring action. That's another reason baseball isn't more popular than it is. I believe that the "majority" of sports have their charm and no one is better than the other "value"-wise, but it's something that has a simply subjective entertainment. It's wrong for anyone to say that people are idiots for not enjoying this sport or that sport.[/quote]

Ok I do get what you are saying, and maybe my anger made me come off wrong. I really do not care if people do not like a particular point, but I do not like it when people critcize sports without backing it and just straight bashing. I am more upset in the way people criticize soccer, and you are right our fast paced society adds to our need of high scoring action. At same time I feel that this need has not only created soccer "haters", but has also negatively impacted other games, such as baseball, football, basketball, etc. This just doesn't have to do with soccer, I think there are finer points in all these sports that are not appreciated. Maybe I should have said world's most popular rather than world's greatest game.

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I'd agree with that. The bad part is, unless a person was raised playing or being near a certain sport, they can't appreciate the nuances that are involved in that sport. I was raised playing football, baseball and basketball. All sports I love to play, and I still am only truly entertained by football. If I wasn't raised playing baseball, then I REALLY would dislike it. It's just the nature of some games to be especially slow. I would think that most people's argument against low-scoring soccer games would be the fact that you watch something for ninety minutes and [especially] when the ball remains at midfield, you know that no one is going to score. That's my gripe against it, but I'm also not going to tell anyone they are wrong for enjoying it.

I'm ONLY going to tell people they are wrong for watching golf. ;)

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Great posts, Hooskins. Don't really know why people get so angry about soccer. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Whatever. Arguing about which version of putting a ball into a goal, across a line, etc. is better is pretty silly.

Zidane apparently will go on French TV soon to give his version of events. My feeling is no matter what was said, the right move would have been scoring a goal to win the game. You can always headbutt the guy after the match during the soccer riot. ;)

He won the golden ball award for his play against Brazil especially. Man, he controlled that game from start to finish. Plus, the voting was done at HALFTIME of the final, before the butting. There's some thought that they may take it back, but I doubt that.

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[quote=hooskins]No offense Buster, but you really shouldn't call out the most popular sport in the world like that without actually supporting yourself, and putting forth a decent arguement. It is this ignorance of the game, that also creates a negative image of Americans. As mentioned before 3 goals is a lot in the torney, Klose had 5, henry had 3, etc. Beside the goals, he pretty much controlled midfield, and set up some brillant goals. Another point; the votes for the golden award thingy were counted before the headbutt, therefore the voters did not have that issue in mind when voting.

I understand the frustration us Americans have with the flopping, and hopefully FIFA starts giving more yellows for flops, but what really frustrates me, is how as a nation, we need high scoring action, or we consider it boring. Some of the best games in soccer are 0-0 ties. Yeah its 90 freaking minutes, and no goals, so deal with it. It really shows that some people do not have the patience to admire the finer points of the world's greatest game. Do you know why there are so few goals? It's because scoring a goal in soccer is much harder than to score in a game of football. The whole team has to keep pushing, and flowing at almost a perfect rate, or their has to be a very very rare mistake. If you take that into consideration, you would realize that Zidane's 3 goals is a great stat, and we also know that all stats on paper do not explain what a player has done in a game.

It is people like you that have ruined the game of soccer. FIFA is trying to increase goals, by have lighter balls, that can drop and swing off unexpectidly, making it harder for the goalie to stop. They are also calling more bullshit calls, which increase the set pieces, and penalty kicks, which add to goals, just to please people who do not have the patience or appreciation of the game. Because of people who do not appreciate the finer points of game, the NBA, MLB, and yes even our beloved NFL have changed to rules to please people who can't FCKING sit and try to enjoy the game without bitching. Now pass interference rules are almost ridiculous, which makes even more high scoring games, and almost kills the contact sport aspect, at the CB position. The refs call everything in the NBA even if you rest your arm on a player while play D, like for D. Wade in the finals, and now its considered good D if you hold and opponent to under 100 points. All of this just to please people who want more scores.

I am sick of this shit, people need to start being open and quit bitching. No one is fucking dissing soccer in that nature, without me saying anything.[/quote]

I personally don't agree with much of anything you said.

Point number 1 you made, that Americans don't appreciate low-scoring games, I kind of half-agree with. Some Americans don't, but then some Americans do. Talk to any baseball purist, and they'll tell you that they'd rather watch Pedro Martinez vs Johan Santana pitch a 1-0 game than see Pujols and Ortiz hit 3 HRs apiece. I personally like nothing better than a defensive slugfest in football.

The low scoring is not why Americans don't like soccer. For some reason, Americans just don't take to sports where the idea is to put a ball or a puck past a goaltender and into a net. Hockey was made to be more high-scoring this year, but it's success as a sport has only improved very marginally. Gotta give the NHL some time, but my assertion is hockey is never going to be as big as the NFL, MLB, or NBA. Americans just like football, baseball, and basketball much better. That's all there really is to it. We have other sports leagues here to attract our attention, that's why nobody cares about soccer. There are other sports we find more fun to both watch and play.

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[quote=Schneed10]The low scoring is not why Americans don't like soccer. For some reason, Americans just don't take to sports where the idea is to put a ball or a puck past a goaltender and into a net.[/quote]

I've never really thought about that, but that's very true. I know I personally get bored of back and forth and back and forth and back and forth until there's FINALLY a shot on goal. I guess subconciously there's something about the symmetry of sports like that I don't like. Baseball, while very slow to me, is at least a fairly dynamic game when it comes to the "area" it's played in.

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[quote=Schneed10] For some reason, Americans just don't take to sports where the idea is to put a ball or a puck past a goaltender and into a net. [/quote]

Since college I've really started to enjoy lacrosse, although I don't watch it that often b/c its rarely on.
I don't mind goal-oriented sports but they do tend to be rather boring. LAX, to me, is very fast and can be very entertaining.

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It's already been touched on in a couple of posts but interest in a particular sport is relevant to the amount of experience a person has with that sport. I love both high scoring and low scoring baseball games. Football goes the same for me. Another factor to influence a person's interest is the passion an enthusiast has when describing the game. I never had an interest in the Tour de France until some guy (UPS driver) spent about 2 non-stop hours explaining to me what the deal was. I'm in the process of trying to learn to like soccer because the area I live in is trying to develop a solid league for youth.

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Zidane's best play of the World Cup wasn't any of his three goals (2 of which were on PKs), but the beautiful cross he hit to Thierry Henry to beat Brazil 1-0.

There is an arrogance from Americans when it comes to soccer. Not sure why, but the casual fan will never embrace it the way they embrace other sports. I'm a fan of sports in general, so watching soccer is just another reason to sit for a few hours and watch a highly competitive match.

Schneed, your point is taken, but I do think that a big part of why Americans do not like soccer is because of the low scoring. In order to get fans back, it was rumored that baseball "juiced" the balls so that they would fly further, increasing Home Runs and scoring. The NFL have all but outlawed any contact downfield between receivers and corners. The NHL, to bring back fans, have increased scoring chances with smaller creases, smaller goalie pads, and other rule changes. The NBA has become very lax about travelling and other things that slow the game down. These things would haven't happened if Americans didn't care one way or another about low scoring. It's a shame that soccer gets a bad rap because of low scoring...I don't expect it to compete with the big boys, but that's no reason to totally write it off.

But what's funny is, take any rivalry in the US (Yanks/BoSox, Skins/Cowboys, etc), and it will nowhere near match the intensity of the rivalries in Europe.

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I don't think anyone disagrees about those rivalries. We know the deal in the rest of the world.

Also, with 1,000 coming up, you might want to give a shout out to BSB. :D