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I don't think they're done with the front office revamp. I've heard multiple times they want to add Doug Williams, but I think it may be more likely they're looking to add someone currently on a playoff team so they're waiting

When Vinny was in charge it was also said then that he didn't listen to Campbell and Brown

They should have given Brown the title of General Manager because I suspect a few teams will come calling with that offer this offseason

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[quote=Mattyk;1052412]The front office has been a big liability ever since Snyder took over. I think it's a little naive to not at least look at our setup with a critical eye and wonder if we're doing the right thing. The one thing Snyder hasn't tried yet is having a true GM run the show. Personnel is not Allen's strength. If the plan is for Campbell to run the show draft wise and for Brown to run the show regarding pro personnel, and for Allen to more or less rubber stamp their decisions, that could possibly work.[/quote]

Many Redskins fans are writing off Bruce Allen like he is not a legit executive. His strength is that he is a strong executive and will run the franchise like a business. He will rely on his team to help him make good decisions. Don't be surprised to see AJ Smith and Scott Campbell representing for us at the draft. I hope that we add someone for the 49ers front office staff.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1052419]Many Redskins fans are writing off Bruce Allen like he is not a legit executive. His strength is that he is a strong executive and will run the franchise like a business. He will rely on his team to help him make good decisions. Don't be surprised to see AJ Smith and Scott Campbell representing for us at the draft. I hope that we add someone for the 49ers front office staff.[/quote]

I don't think anyone denies he's not a strong executive, but personnel isn't his thing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1052413]I don't think they're done with the front office revamp. I've heard multiple times they want to add Doug Williams, but I think it may be more likely they're looking to add someone currently on a playoff team so they're waiting.

[B]Add Doug Williams? In what role?[/B]

When Vinny was in charge it was also said then that he didn't listen to Campbell and Brown.

[B]True.[/B]

They should have given Brown the title of General Manager because I suspect a few teams will come calling with that offer this offseason.

[B]That is a very good point. Perhaps they don't want to stand in his way if he is offered the opportunity to run a team.[/B]

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Bruce doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would take a job he wasn't very suited for. Especially for this org which he seems to cherish. Leads me to think he wont be doing much personnel work directly but more leading on it.

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[quote=Mattyk;1052420]I don't think anyone denies he's not a strong executive, but personnel isn't his thing.[/quote]

It doesn't need to be if he utilizes his player personnel directors properly. A good manager makes sure that the people who work for him are smarter than he is at what they do.

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[quote=Mattyk;1052420]I don't think anyone denies he's not a strong executive, but personnel isn't his thing.[/quote]

Every executive has his strengths and weaknesses. Player evaluation is not Bruce's strong suit, that is why AJ is on staff to help him with that.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1052424]It doesn't need to be if he utilizes his player personnel directors properly. A good manager makes sure that the people who work for him are smarter than he is at what they do.[/quote]

I totally agree and I'm pretty sure that's the plan. I already feel a million times better about the FO with Shanahan out of the way.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1052399]Nothing Alan said even remotely implied that Snyder would have any input in the roster. Allen essentially said morocco is going to make all free agent evaluations, Campbell will do the same for the draft, and then Allen will make decisions on which guys to bring in based on the recommendations[/quote]

He also hasn't said that he won't have any input on the roster. Morocco will make the evaluations, but Snyder's track record has been to influence and often overtake qualified opinion (unless he's contractually obligated not too).

I'm not trying to say Snyder is the big bad wolf, and that everything he does is evil. I'm saying Snyder has a well known history of interjecting when not contractually restrained.

In the current set-up, he's not excluded from the process; and I think that's by design. I wish it wasn't.

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So ... Can Allen veto the new HC? If M. Brown says "I want this [UFA] guy" and Campbell says "no, no ... there's a rookie at that position who we can draft with our top pick and who will be better long term" and new HC says "ummm, guys, those are decent enough players but they don't fit what we are trying to do here. I really need X or Y [neither of who MB or SC think is particularly worth the cost]".

It sounds to me that either (1) BA is filling the traditional role of GM -> final say on player acquisitions ; or (2) We will have a multi-headed player acquisition morass with factions and the potential for lots of internal in-fighting.

If (1), then I am okay with it as long as BA is relying on MB and SC for the actual evaluations.

If (2), wash, rinse and repeat of our losing ways. Won't matter who they bring it.

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[quote=RobH4413;1052428]He also hasn't said that he won't have any input on the roster. Morocco will make the evaluations, but Snyder's track record has been to influence and often overtake qualified opinion (unless he's contractually obligated not too).

I'm not trying to say Snyder is the big bad wolf, and that everything he does is evil. I'm saying Snyder has a well known history of interjecting when not contractually restrained.

In the current set-up, he's not excluded from the process; and I think that's by design. I wish it wasn't.[/quote]

What are you saying? That Snyder told Vinny which players to draft? I highly doubt that.

You want him excluded from the process? Here's a news flash: [U]Snyder owns the team![/U] If I owned an NFL team, I'd make Snyder look as patient and hands off as a Buddhist monk in comparison to me.

Back to reality, Snyder's reputation as a control freak pales in comparison to those of Jerry Jones, the late Al Davis, and some other NFL owners.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1052434]So ... Can Allen veto the new HC? If M. Brown says "I want this [UFA] guy" and Campbell says "no, no ... there's a rookie at that position who we can draft with our top pick and who will be better long term" and new HC says "ummm, guys, those are decent enough players but they don't fit what we are trying to do here. I really need X or Y [neither of who MB or SC think is particularly worth the cost]".

It sounds to me that either (1) BA is filling the traditional role of GM -> final say on player acquisitions ; or (2) We will have a multi-headed player acquisition morass with factions and the potential for lots of internal in-fighting.

If (1), then I am okay with it as long as BA is relying on MB and SC for the actual evaluations.

If (2), wash, rinse and repeat of our losing ways. Won't matter who they bring it.[/quote]

Bruce said that he would make the decisions with input from Brown and Campbell.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1052413]I don't think they're done with the front office revamp. I've heard multiple times they want to add Doug Williams, but I think it may be more likely they're looking to add someone currently on a playoff team so they're waiting

When Vinny was in charge it was also said then that he didn't listen to Campbell and Brown

They should have given Brown the title of General Manager because I suspect a few teams will come calling with that offer this offseason[/quote]

Well I hope they are prepared to give Brown the GM title if need be. I like Bruce Allen a lot. I think he represents the team well around the league but if personnel decisions are not his strong suit then this whole front office is in the toilet without Brown. If they hire a coach and put everything in place and then Brown walks out the door they are screwed. It made way to much sense to just give Bruce the VP title and name Brown GM...

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1052440]What are you saying? That Snyder told Vinny which players to draft? I highly doubt that.

You want him excluded from the process? Here's a news flash: [U]Snyder owns the team![/U] If I owned an NFL team, I'd make Snyder look as patient and hands off as a Buddhist monk in comparison to me.

[B]Back to reality, Snyder's reputation as a control freak pales in comparison to those of Jerry Jones, the late Al Davis, and some other NFL owners.[/B][/quote]
Pales in comparison is your opinion, one which I strongly disagree on. Snyder's reputation hasn't been conjured up by some propaganda machine. He's earned it.

Their are plenty of owners who don't meddle with their team's front office, and given Snyders track record- it's time for him to exclude himself from the football operations.

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[quote=RobH4413;1052452]Pales in comparison is your opinion, one which I strongly disagree on. Snyder's reputation hasn't been conjured up by some propaganda machine. He's earned it.

Their are plenty of owners who don't meddle with their team's front office, and given Snyders track record- it's [B]time for him to exclude himself from the football operations[/B].[/quote]

You mean like he has for the last four years when Shanahan had TOTAL control over football operations?