Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

[quote=Mattyk;836181]In a perfect world he would have had a trial.[/quote]

And as I don't run the place it's never likely to be perfect.

Have to disagree with the trial: A trial would merely have give the scumbag a platform to spout his hatred. We need to get back on track of utterly vanquishing foes. Hearts and minds cost money and when money is involved the highest bidder is always going to win. House of Saud can outbid us any time and has.

Kill with extreme prejudice, make it very public and messy. Send the message of brutality to trump their brutality. Use unmanned drones early and often. Watch the ranks dwindle once the see the futility. Can you guess which side I'm on when I watch Star Wars?

Bring the troops home, secure the border.

Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

Osama commited suicide as soon as he concocted a plan and attacked American soil and he reaffirmed his death wish when he tried to reach for a weapon when the navy seals entered his room. Suicide by American Soldiers...it was inevitable, deserved, and just.

Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

Matty's right. In some utopian perfect vacuum world we capture him and hold him for trial. Too bad that world doesn't exist. Neither opinion seems to hold ground as the absolute truth. Saden's probably got it most right. It doesn't matter since he never would have let himself be captured. Suicide by soldier is right.

Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;836179]I hope you're trolling becuase thats just (insert words to get warned by a mod)

Bin Laden deserved to die a horrible death with extreme prejudice ASAP from the hands of Americans. [B]He is the greatest villian that ever countered the United States of America. [/B] To give him a nano fraction of quarter for more than a second is monumentally absurd.

And Michael Moore is an idiotic bucket of steaming rectum juice.[/quote]

Well, Hitler might get a mention, but essentially I agree with you on that point.

However, it doesn't change the fact that he deserved a trial under our system of justice. Charles Manson got a trial. Timothy McVeigh got a trial. Nazi war criminals got trials. Bin Laden should have gotten a trial. To deny him a trial would be to surrender the ideals which help to make us great, whether he used that trial to grandstand or not. The Constitution does not guarantee the right to a fair trial unless grandstanding will happen - it guarantees a fair trial, period.

But Saden is right: Like Hitler, bin Laden essentially committed suicide, making the point moot.

Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

He will be tried and judged - just not on earth.

Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

[quote=Mattyk;836181]In a perfect world he would have had a trial.[/quote]

In a perfect world he wouldn't have done what he did to deserve being hunted down.

He got what he deserved, given the circumstances.

Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

[quote=Hog1;836102]Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial? He got it....
Seal Team 6....Judge.....Jury.....Executioner...[/quote]
Excellent !!!!!! Too bad Moore wasn't sleeping over with Bin that night in April .

Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

[quote=cpayne5;836316]In a perfect world he wouldn't have done what he did to deserve being hunted down.

He got what he deserved, given the circumstances.[/quote]

Agreed, pretty much what I was getting at.

A trial would have been messy and would have dug up a lot of old wounds, only to end up putting him to death anyway, and it would have incited his supporters even more.

Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

[quote=saden1;836205]Osama commited suicide as soon as he concocted a plan and attacked American soil and he reaffirmed his death wish when he tried to reach for a weapon when the navy seals entered his room. Suicide by American Soldiers...it was inevitable, deserved, and just.[/quote]

Best post yet. /thread.

Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

Moore is a jackass for a number of reasons, but I don't have an issue with this specific opinion.

Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

[quote=SmootSmack;836178]Could you imagine being a family member of one of the victims of 9/11 and sitting there (in person or on tv) listening to Bin Laden defend himself and explain why he ordered what he did?[/quote]


...but he wasn't the mastermind behind 9/11. That guy we had already killed.


edit: Not going to say M. Moore is a idiot and all the other shit some of you spew, but I understand his view, even though I don't agree with it. At what point do we draw the line in the sand? Who's to say that the cops or other law enforcement don't paint some guy as a target and do the same thing? Who's to judge who gets what punishment? It's a slippery slope.

Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

[quote=NC_Skins;837908]...but he wasn't the mastermind behind 9/11. That guy we had already killed.


edit: Not going to say M. Moore is a idiot and all the other shit some of you spew, but I understand his view, even though I don't agree with it. At what point do we draw the line in the sand? Who's to say that the cops or other law enforcement don't paint some guy as a target and do the same thing? Who's to judge who gets what punishment? It's a slippery slope.[/quote]

But it wasn't the cops or some other law enforcement.
It was the American military vs a terrorist organization.
You comparison sucks and is full of hyperbole.

Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

^ The point is that, military or not, the Constitution is the Constitution. Military action, the feelings of victims, heinousness of crimes, grandstanding at a trial, etc., are not reasons to throw the Constitution out of the window.

Once people begin to ignore the Constitution, as many in this thread have, you have to wonder if or when ignoring the Constitution will end.

Bin Laden had a Constitutional right to a trial. Period.

Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

[quote=NC_Skins;837908]...but he wasn't the mastermind behind 9/11. [B]That guy we had already killed.[/B]

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KSM is alive. We captured him in 2003 and he's been sitting in a jail cell ever since.

UBL may not have been the so-called mastermind, but he was the leader of al-Qaida and gave the go ahead to carry out the attacks in his/their name.

Re: Michael Moore thinks Osama Bin Laden deserved a trial
 

[quote=Lotus;838065]^ The point is that, military or not, the Constitution is the Constitution. Military action, the feelings of victims, heinousness of crimes, grandstanding at a trial, etc., are not reasons to throw the Constitution out of the window.

Once people begin to ignore the Constitution, as many in this thread have, you have to wonder if or when ignoring the Constitution will end.

Bin Laden had a Constitutional right to a trial. Period.[/quote]

Horsehockey!
Bin Laden wasn't an American, we are at war......it doesn't apply to him. How in the world could you validate him getting the benefit of our Constitution?
And by that rationale we could never kill anyone on the battlefield, we'd have to capture all of them and put them on trial.