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[quote=skinsguy;779404]How many years of college does Montana's kid have left? ;-)[/quote]

2013 NFL Draft at the earliest. I'll be interested in seeing if he can make it to the NFL. Guy was actually a walk on at Notre Dame.

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I think it's a lock that Locker gets locked up prior to #10. Locking up Locker would be a high priority for almost half the teams ahead of us since half of them need a QB who will lock down the QB positions for years to come.

JK, but serioulsy, there are about half the teams ahead of us who need a QB and honestly depending on what Dallas does with Romo I could see them giving the reigns to their second string and drafting another QB to develope since supposedly Dallas is not enamoured with Romo.

here's the list:

Carolina (2-14)
Denver (4-12)
Buffalo (4-12)
Cincinnati (4-12)
Arizona (5-11)
Cleveland (5-11)
San Francisco (6-10)
Tennessee (6-10)
Dallas (6-10)
Washington (6-10)

Depending on what Carolina and Denver thought of their QB situation and how well they performed they might be included. I'd think Buffalo, Arizona, San Fran, and Tennessee are all in for a franchise QB.

Carolina-?
Denver-?
Buffalo
Arizona
Cleveland-?
San Fran
Tennesse
Dallas-?
Washington

My point is if Locker is the top #1 QB expected to go, then don't expect him to be there at #10. Especially since there are so many teams needing a QB. So if we now start looking at the next available QB's coming out and decide which one would you take? and are they worthy of being picked at #10?

Personally I'd try to drop down in the draft for more picks otherwise I'd pick up another position and see whats available in round 2 or later QB wise.

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[quote=mredskins;779385]if you google Jake Locker the 3 choice is jake locker redskins, guess we have kind of been tied to him.[/quote]

I think that may be because Locker has been compared to Jake "The Snake" Plummer, one of Shanny's QB's in Denver.

After looking at some of his highlights, I was very impressed. To me, he looks like an outstanding prospect. I wouldn't be shocked or disappointed if the Skins were to draft him at #10.

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Locker will be at the Senior Bowl next week. How he does in those practices will determine if he starts to move up the board or not. If he does well next week in front of all the leagues decision makers then his so-so season at Washington will be minimized and he will be on his way to being a pretty high 1st round pick. This is really his last chance in pads in a real football environment. After this he will be in shorts at the combine or in scripted workouts. Huge week for him. I want Locker so i am not sure what to root for...if he does to good then he may go before #10 but if he bombs then maybe the skins won't even want him anymore.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;779397]Yeah, pretty much. Patrino is still looking for his own version of Aaron Rodgers at the pro level. Unfortunately the closest he's gotten is Jake Plummer. Other Petrino coached QB's include Dave Ragone, Stefan LeFors, Chris Redman, and Brian Brohm many of whom serve as poster childs for why teams can't rely on using mid round draft picks to find franchise QB.

Lol in fact I'm convinced, if Chris Redman was coming out in this draft he would have a following that would make both Andy Dalton and Kellen Moore jealous, well maybe not Kellen Moore but certainly Andy Dalton. I mean if I told people that there would be a QB available as late as the third round with four years of starting experience in a pro-like system with 29 TD passes each of the last two years paired with 15 and 13 INT's as well as a 71% and 65% completion percentage (not to mention[URL="http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=3236"] 4,042 and 3,647 yards[/URL] during his last two seasons), well safe to say the man crushes would be flying left and right.

Which actually begs the question.....why the hell was Chris Redman a third round pick in the first place? I mean I know he went on to be a bust but as a prospect he certainly seems like someone that should have fetched a first round grade.[/quote]I don't have an answer for you, but I would assume it's the same reason that a guy with the numbers of Matt Schaub went in the third round.

Redman's become one of the best backups in football in Atlanta. That's not nothing, I suppose.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;779361]If the drat were held today I would peg him as a second round pick. However after the combine, Senior Bowl, interviews, private workouts etc he'll probably work his way back into the first. I'm pretty sure Shanny is keeping a close eye on him especially considering the rumors that he was really smitten with him last year.[/quote]


You are making strong accusations that Shanahan is seriously liking this guy. Where are your links to reinforce your beliefs that Shanahan is going to draft this guy?

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[quote=juskins;779447]You are making strong accusations that Shanahan is seriously liking this guy. Where are your links to reinforce your beliefs that Shanahan is going to draft this guy?[/quote]

Here's one link

[url=http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=422&sid=409083]ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. weighs in Jake Locker, Mason Foster and other draft prospects - Blog - MyNorthwest.com[/url]

"There was talk here in this Baltimore/Washington area that (Mike) Shanahan would have taken Jake Locker at No. 4 (last year) - they would not have made that (Donovan) McNabb trade had Jake Locker been in that draft," Kiper said. "So Mike Shanahan needs a quarterback at Washington. McNabb is not going to be back, Rex Grossman is not the answer. So they're going to look at a quarterback. ...if he still has that same high opinion of Jake Locker, then maybe he would still take Jake Locker despite the struggles during the regular season that Jake went through.

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Anyone who picks him in the first round is making a mistake.

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[quote=Buster;779467]Anyone who picks him in the first round is making a mistake.[/quote]

You could easily say that about any of the qbs in this years draft. Of all of them however, I feel that Locker would be the better choice if forced to take one if the first round. I'd be much much happier if we were able to pull the trigger on him in the second round.

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Ok, so after worrying about if we were not going to maximize our picks by possibly selecting him with the 10, I am now worried that he will not make it to the 10. Some guys made some very good points.

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Mike mayock said today that Locker is a top 15 guy in this draft.

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[quote=SmootSmack;779453]Here's one link

[url=http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=422&sid=409083]ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. weighs in Jake Locker, Mason Foster and other draft prospects - Blog - MyNorthwest.com[/url]

"There was talk here in this Baltimore/Washington area that (Mike) Shanahan would have taken Jake Locker at No. 4 (last year) - they would not have made that (Donovan) McNabb trade had Jake Locker been in that draft," Kiper said. "So Mike Shanahan needs a quarterback at Washington. McNabb is not going to be back, Rex Grossman is not the answer. So they're going to look at a quarterback. ...if he still has that same high opinion of Jake Locker, then maybe he would still take Jake Locker despite the struggles during the regular season that Jake went through.[/quote]




Mel Kipper knows as much as you do regarding this matter. That's not a source, it's what I call a "wishful thinking suggestion" to create drama come draft day. Shanahan has not confide in Kipper, get real.

I am changing my mind again as to what position the Skins will draft at #10. I really think they will go DT. If they do, I think we will know that they are going to trade Haynesworth, if it has not been disclosed before the draft.

This draft will set the fate's of Carlos Rogers, Albert Haynesworth, Rocky McIntosh and Donovan McNabb.

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[quote=juskins;779712]Mel Kipper knows as much as you do regarding this matter. That's not a source, it's what I call a "wishful thinking suggestion" to create drama come draft day. Shanahan has not confide in Kipper, get real.

I am changing my mind again as to what position the Skins will draft at #10. I really think they will go DT. If they do, I think we will know that they are going to trade Haynesworth, if it has not been disclosed before the draft.

This draft will set the fate's of Carlos Rogers, Albert Haynesworth, Rocky McIntosh and Donovan McNabb.[/quote]

Not sure where to begin with this. Let's see

-It's Kiper, not Kipper
-He knows as much as I do? Please! He wishes. Kiper'd go bald if it meant he could be as awesome as me
-What do you consider a source? Do you want Mike Shanahan to come right out and directly tell you what he wants
-What sort of drama do you think that comment creates
-Dirtbag's initial post merely said there were rumors that Shanahan might be interested in Locker...which you somehow took to interpret as Dirtbag was making a strong accusation that Shanahan would draft Locker
-DT at 10 is possible, not sure who it would be though

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[quote=SmootSmack;779715]Not sure where to begin with this. Let's see

-It's Kiper, not Kipper
-He knows as much as I do? Please! He wishes. Kiper'd go bald if it meant he could be as awesome as me
-What do you consider a source? Do you want Mike Shanahan to come right out and directly tell you what he wants
-What sort of drama do you think that comment creates
-Dirtbag's initial post merely said there were rumors that Shanahan might be interested in Locker...which you somehow took to interpret as Dirtbag was making a strong accusation that Shanahan would draft Locker
-DT at 10 is possible, not sure who it would be though[/quote]



Well, you have the moniker. Again, Mel Kiper is not a reliable source. Purely conjecture on his part. Even you could surmise that Donovan is not the answer at QB for us or that Rex might be a temporary solution. I don't consider Mel privilege or that close to Shanahan to even hint at what the Skins will do at #10.

I hate to rain on your and others parade, but the Skins need defensive players before selecting a QB. That, IMO, would be stupid. Picking a QB when you need desperate help on the defensive line or at LB.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that defense keeps you in the game, even with a temporary solution at QB. Of course this is strictly my take on it and its not associated with a "source" or even a media expert.

Hopefully, you did not interpret my choice of words as being too dogmatic about the direction the Skins should go in this draft. Look, Haynesworth in all likelihood is being traded. Goldston might leave through FA. Daniels is not getting any Younger. Kemo, who knows. In my way of thinking, the hand writing is on the wall, draft defense.

Just my way of being pragmatic about our options.

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Late first is the earliest i would consider taking him. He seems like a decent player but too big a risk.