Re: The most important part of any new CBA - a rookie slotting system
 

[quote=dmek25;768713]unless you can guarantee that the money saved from this would go to veterans, it will never happen. the one thing the union never wants to see is salaries cut[/quote]

If the salary cap stays as it is - - determined by a percentage of the league's gross revenues - - then any money not spent on rookie draft picks MUST be spent on other players.

Well, if it is not spent on the rookies, then it would have to go to players who are NOT rookies, no? Remember, there is a salary cap AND a salary floor in the CBA...

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yeah an easy to manipulate floor. didnt the bucs last year have 2 guys with performance option clauses in their K that would have given them like 10 mil each if they blocked 20 punts in the reg season or something outragous like that to meet the floor requirement?

Re: The most important part of any new CBA - a rookie slotting system
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;768791]If the salary cap stays as it is - - determined by a percentage of the league's gross revenues - - then any money not spent on rookie draft picks MUST be spent on other players.

Well, if it is not spent on the rookies, then it would have to go to players who are NOT rookies, no? Remember, there is a salary cap AND a salary floor in the CBA...[/quote]
im not sure on this. is there a minimum that must be spent? if so, then the trickle down thing would work

Re: The most important part of any new CBA - a rookie slotting system
 

[quote=over the mountain;768817]yeah an easy to manipulate floor. didnt the bucs last year have 2 guys with performance option clauses in their K that would have given them like 10 mil each if they blocked 20 punts in the reg season or something outragous like that to meet the floor requirement?[/quote]


Never heard anything like that - - and if there were a team that might do that it would more likely be the Cards than the Bucs.

If there is any outrageous manipulation of the floor, the NFLPA can take it to an arbitrator who has absolute final say on the matter. Clubs will be careful not to be the ones to lose an arbitration decision that could spoil things for the other clubs. That is called "pissing in the soup"; other clubs will not like that even a little bit...

Re: The most important part of any new CBA - a rookie slotting system
 

[quote=dmek25;768837]im not sure on this. is there a minimum that must be spent? if so, then the trickle down thing would work[/quote]

That is what the CBA says and that is something the NFLPA will push hard for. They will want the floor to be as high as possible and they will want to push for all bonus monies not to count against the floor. Obviously, the teams will try to negotiate those points down. That is what collective bargaining is all about...

Re: The most important part of any new CBA - a rookie slotting system
 

A person familiar with the finances of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers says that last season, the team signed two free-agents, running back Noah Herron and defensive end Patrick Chukwurah, for contracts that totalled $25 million. Under the rules of the salary cap, the Buccaneers were charged that full amount for the players. But to actually earn that money, each player had to, among other things, block six punts apiece—an exceedingly difficult prospect. In the end, neither player ended up taking a single snap. Mr. Herron was paid $157,000 and Mr. Chukwurah $71,000, although the team's salary-cap number reflected the full value of their contracts. Tampa Bay, which ranked among the lowest teams in spending last season, has lost all six of its games. Tampa Bay and NFL officials declined to comment.

Re: The most important part of any new CBA - a rookie slotting system
 

[quote=dmek25;768713]unless you can guarantee that the money saved from this would go to veterans, it will never happen. the one thing the union never wants to see is salaries cut[/quote]

Or, to the retired players' medical expenses. That's another big issue.

Re: The most important part of any new CBA - a rookie slotting system
 

[quote=over the mountain;768863]A person familiar with the finances of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers says that last season, the team signed two free-agents, running back Noah Herron and defensive end Patrick Chukwurah, for contracts that totalled $25 million. Under the rules of the salary cap, the Buccaneers were charged that full amount for the players. But to actually earn that money, each player had to, among other things, block six punts apiece—an exceedingly difficult prospect. In the end, neither player ended up taking a single snap. Mr. Herron was paid $157,000 and Mr. Chukwurah $71,000, although the team's salary-cap number reflected the full value of their contracts. Tampa Bay, which ranked among the lowest teams in spending last season, has lost all six of its games. Tampa Bay and NFL officials declined to comment.[/quote]

If a player blocks 6 punts in a season, he deserves $25,000,000 and a unicorn.

Re: The most important part of any new CBA - a rookie slotting system
 

I dunno, I'm not familiar with the details, but couldn't they somehow make it so that the club pays the rookie 1st rounders in the first year a guaranteed a relatively modest amount and those that decide to keep the rookie player will then have to fetch the megabucks? Just a thought, but I know there's at least one avenue of abuse.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;768788]One consituency that does NOT agree here is the agents. They have been negaitve on this idea everytime it has come up.[/quote]

Probably because they will lose money from signing the rookie first rounders. But the agents don't have say at the negotiating table, the players union and the owners do. And both the players and owners agree that rookie first round picks get too much money, which is why an agreement on that will eventually get done. I know the players want that extra money to be used on guys in free agency and I don't think the owners have any argument with that, they just want to stop giving huge cap busting contracts to rookies who haven't proven anything.

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Why all the hubub? The league minimum is more than enough for any of these clowns. Why slot anything, it is the owners' money and if they are paying at least the agreed upon minimum wage then it is a fair deal.