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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700383]Look at the government as a whole? Okay let's get everything outta Iraq and Afghanistan right now. That should save how much? Repeal the bush tax cuts, then I think we should be back in the black. See it is partisan. The Republican agenda is waht got us in this fiscal mess.[/quote]

UM, I thought Obama was going to have us out of Iraq by now and isn't Obama the one building up the troops in Afghanistan? So Obama has full control now not Bush.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700406]Allow me to refresh your memeory:
Threats to America = 300 billion dollar no bid contracts to Halliburton. (200,000 dollars a year to wash dishes, which branch of our armed forces makes 200,000 a year) If the money ain't going to the troops it's a waste.

Uninsured Americans = socialism - We all pay for their health care if we leave things at it's status quo we pay so what' with the fake outrage?

Clinton = surplus. Bush = "I need 786 billion dollars". This does not take a genius.[/quote]

No Clinton with a Republican congress=surplus.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700381]Should've thought about that before the Bush tax cuts. What did you think? Obama was gonna get in office and not be able to do anything? You can complain about the budget all day. Why didn't the Republican party think about that when they had a budget surplus?[/quote]
Hello, for the 100,000 time Bush is no conservative and I like many other had the same concern with his spending. The problem was we did not have any other real choices when he ran for office the second time.

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[quote=firstdown;700413]UM, I thought Obama was going to have us out of Iraq by now and isn't Obama the one building up the troops in Afghanistan? So Obama has full control now not Bush.[/quote]

Build up in Afghansitan to get us out, since Bush neglected Afghanistan and let the taliban come back. Yeah he fixing Bush's mess, but not sacrificing his agenda. Economy looking alot better than when he first took office.

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[quote=firstdown;700415]Hello, for the 100,000 time Bush is no conservative and I like many other had the same concern with his spending. The problem was we did not have any other real choices when he ran for office the second time.[/quote]

Umm I did not say bush was conservative, but he was a Republican if I am not mistaken.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;700382][B]Instead of making this a Democratic/Republican debate, why not look at what the government as a whole is doing. [/B] And that is spending beyond our means. I think if we could re-frame the debate along those lines, the whole democrat-republican framework of debate could be toppled, and maybe we could come up with a new approach to resolving our nation's issues, from healthcare to debt management to overspending on defense. But as long as the 2 parties are able to play the sentiments of one group against each other, both parties can keep spending like drunken sailors, and blame the other party for spending on the pet projects their constituents don't support. It's the classic 3 card monte strategy of shifting targets until the real answer is just an illusion.[/quote]

Yeah good luck with that on this board.

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How about they look first to cutting our representatives salaries to include his own, I mean no need of them making six figures. Then the Gov. can stop giving out billions of dollars to foriegn countries. It's not the US's job to loan money to everyone, let some other country throw money away. We can look to finally bring all our troops back home. Guard our own boarder like it's supposed to be guarded, and if these foriegn countries want their water ways patroled or guarded then either they can do it or pay us for our fuel, man power and equipement replacement costs.

I'm all for the idea of helping to spread democracy but not for free. Our country paid a price to have it and we are still paying a price.

Obama care. LOL. Our system was working fine. If they truly wanted to help out those who don't have insurance then the Gov. could have provided a cheap form of insurance for people in this situation only. The Department of Social Services could have overseen it and they could have made a stipulation about how much money your allowed to make in order to receive these benifits. Instead it's better to screw up a good working system for a select few. Now before some of you go off about my select few and providing numbers I'm refering to the whole United States vs. non-insured.

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[quote=firstdown;700413]UM, I thought Obama was going to have us out of Iraq by now and isn't Obama the one building up the troops in Afghanistan? So Obama has full control now not Bush.[/quote]

Lawyer speak. "I promise to get our troops out of Iraq." He's keeping his word, he's just playing the shell game and moving them to Afghanistan. :)

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700416]Build up in Afghansitan to get us out, since Bush neglected Afghanistan and let the taliban come back. Yeah he fixing Bush's mess, but not sacrificing his agenda. [B]Economy looking alot better than when he first took office.[/quote][/B]

Yea when you compare shit to more shit someone will finally find the best looking shit.

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[quote=firstdown;700426][/B]

Yea when you compare shit to more shit someone will finally find the best looking shit.[/quote]

I wil take that as you pushed the facebook like button on my comment.

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[quote=firstdown;700415]Hello, for the 100,000 time Bush is no conservative and I like many other had the same concern with his spending. [B]The problem was we did not have any other real choices when he ran for office the second time[/B].[/quote]

Some people just don't realize or forget. It's been this way for many Presidents. Carter was the best choice at the time. Reagan was the best choice over Carter when we realized Carter wasn't getting the job done. Although I think his brother had the right idea and we all should have just drank ourselves blind and ate peanuts as snacks. :)

After Reagan and his "Trickl Down Economy" we picked up Bush SR. Probably the best Prez we have had in that era. However after two terms even I felt it was time for the Dems to take office and kick start it so it wouldn't be stagnant anymore. Which is why Clinton got the nod. After the Clinton escapades and the lies (which I feel he should have been punished for, instead of focusing on the act in general) we ended up with Bush JR. I was ready to vote his sorry but out after the first term but like you said the other candidates were idiots. Even this go around I kinda felt the Republican candidate was an idiot, and an idiot to pick the female running mate that he picked. Many of people pointed out to me that there were many of other female candidates that were in offices longer, better spoken, and smarter then the one he picked. Again I picked Obama simply cause I felt the Gov. was stagnant and needed a kick start.

I call myself an Independant. Why can't I just find a decent enough candidate who believes in

Gun rights
Abortion rights
Lowering our spending in order to lower our taxes
Cutting Gov. waist
Making other countries pay for protection or the UN
Nuke Iran... JK sorry.
Provide tax cuts for "Made in America" not half made in America.

I'm at the point now where I'm ready to see the whole Gov. staff be let go and start over with a fesh start so all the candidates know they work for us and represent us not their party or their one issue they want passed.

[B]Edit: [/B]I forgot to add smokers rights. :) and not to have forgotten you others legalizing marijuana. :)

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[quote=SBXVII;700430]Some people just don't realize or forget. It's been this way for many Presidents. Carter was the best choice at the time. Reagan was the best choice over Carter when we realized Carter wasn't getting the job done. Although I think his brother had the right idea and we all should have just drank ourselves blind and ate peanuts as snacks. :)

After Reagan and his "Trickl Down Economy" we picked up Bush SR. Probably the best Prez we have had in that era. However after two terms even I felt it was time for the Dems to take office and kick start it so it wouldn't be stagnant anymore. Which is why Clinton got the nod. After the Clinton escapades and the lies (which I feel he should have been punished for, instead of focusing on the act in general) we ended up with Bush JR. I was ready to vote his sorry but out after the first term but like you said the other candidates were idiots. Even this go around I kinda felt the Republican candidate was an idiot, and an idiot to pick the female running mate that he picked. Many of people pointed out to me that there were many of other female candidates that were in offices longer, better spoken, and smarter then the one he picked. Again I picked Obama simply cause I felt the Gov. was stagnant and needed a kick start.

I call myself an Independant. Why can't I just find a decent enough candidate who believes in

Gun rights
Abortion rights
Lowering our spending in order to lower our taxes
Cutting Gov. waist
Making other countries pay for protection or the UN
Nuke Iran... JK sorry.
Provide tax cuts for "Made in America" not half made in America.

I'm at the point now where I'm ready to see the whole Gov. staff be let go and start over with a fesh start so all the candidates know they work for us and represent us not their party or their one issue they want passed.[/quote]

Living in Va. I have voted Dem. because most would be considered a conservtive in other states. I try to vote for the person but I also do vote my pocket. I agree with most of what you said but I will probably never vote Dem. for Prsident or congress but that could change. Also Bush Sr. was only a 1 term pres.

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Any of this have a common theme?
Our elected officials hired to represent our best interests have their own game and unfortunately it has LITTLE to do with our best interests. This system no longer works as it was intended. Our govt.........is???? Corrupt?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;700406]Allow me to refresh your memeory:
Threats to America = 300 billion dollar no bid contracts to Halliburton. (200,000 dollars a year to wash dishes, which branch of our armed forces makes 200,000 a year) If the money ain't going to the troops it's a waste.

Uninsured Americans = socialism - We all pay for their health care if we leave things at it's status quo we pay so what' with the fake outrage?

Clinton = surplus. Bush = "I need 786 billion dollars". This does not take a genius.[/quote]
You really have no clue what a term like socialism means, or how our political system works. What's sad to me is that you are so fervent in your conviction that it is only the Republican/Bush party that you won't listen to other ideas.

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This picture should help budgets across the country and Lord Obama a little:

[IMG]http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/jobs.jpg[/IMG]