Miami had the #19 pick & if the trade rumors were true. I still think you don't trade Ramsey. IMO I don't think you can call him a bust yet. He's started 1 year in a offense that was flawed. Besides I think Gibbs would've already pulled the trigger if he didn't believe in him.

[QUOTE=Bozzy]You only think he's the next generation Terry Bradshaw because he happens to be playing for the Steelers! If he was on the niners, you'd say Joe Montana, or the Chargers, you'd say Dan Fouts, Houston, you'd say Warren Moon.

I haven;t seen much of ben rockthisburger, but I know I have seen much of patrick ramsey, and he looks far better.[/QUOTE]

Bozzy, I did mention Bradshaw for the simple fact that there has not been a QB in Pitt. that has made an instant impact like Ben is making this season. Ben is the second coming of TB. Pitt. fans are celebrating the success this kids bringing their team.

I'll say this though, I consider myself a real student of the game & I know what to look for when I see a good quarter, all the way up to the way he moves his feet to the way he extends his arm when throwing under pressure. Ben is the real deal Dan Marino! LOL

[QUOTE=ChounsMan]Bozzy, I did mention Bradshaw for the simple fact that there has not been a QB in Pitt. that has made an instant impact like Ben is making this season. Ben is the second coming of TB. Pitt. fans are celebrating the success this kids bringing their team.

I'll say this though, I consider myself a real student of the game & I know what to look for when I see a good quarter, all the way up to the way he moves his feet to the way he extends his arm when throwing under pressure. Ben is the real deal Dan Marino! LOL[/QUOTE]

You say that he would be the next Bradshaw and like you said untill Ben the steelers never really had a QB make an impact like he is now. But Bradshaw really wasn't that good, I mean I live in PA and I am surrounded by Steeler fans and they even say that Bradshaw wasn't that good. Yes, he does have 4 SB rings, but at the same time steeler fans say that if Lynn Swan had any other QB throwing to him, his NFL career would have ben extened by at least 5 more years. Bradshaw either over threw or under threw his passes. Bradshaw would put the ball up and let Stallworth or Swan go up and get it.

Now Ben on the other hand looks to have some accuracy more that Bradshaw did. And Ben is a better mobile QB than him. I agree that Ben does have very good QB attrabutes(SP) and he will be good in this league, but also it doesnt hurt him that he is throwing to Hines Ward, Buress, and Randel El, or that he has Staley and Bettis in his backfield.

[QUOTE=Bozzy]....I haven;t seen much of ben rockthisburger, but I know I have seen much of patrick ramsey, and he looks far better.[/QUOTE]

It is clear you must not have seen much of Rothlisberger. I have seen alot of both Rothlesberger and Ramsey and you are wrong on this one. I watched alot of Ben R. college games in his senior year. In my opinion Ben R. was the best QB in the NCAA last year. Regardless of the stats.
Ben R. was a Heisman canidate and an incredible college QB. Ramsey was not.
Ramsey got sacked a ton in college and the pro's. Ben R. has not.

It is way to early to say Ben R. will be great, but so far in his brief NFL career he has played great.

Ramsey has had brief moments of greatness just like Ben R. but he has also had moments of sucking the big one. Ben R. so far has not, but that might change.

You can't judge every QB the same, system's help and hurt QB's, some are simplified like Pitt., and other's complicated like our's, I really like big Ben, but if he was playing in our system, he wouldn't be playing end of story, The thing with the steeler's is, this is the first time Cower has had a legitimate QB IMO, the steeler's will be a real contender for year's to come now that they have a QB who is capable of winning games, instead of playing not to lose.

You know I can respect those of you who have so much confidence for Ramsey but I have made it clear from last year that Ramsey to me is the embodiment of so many QB's in the past who have shown flashes of greatness but who never reach their full potential due to a lack of instinctive knowledge to make the big plays when it is absolutely neccessary like Rothelisberger has shown. I believe based on what I have seen from Rothlisberger since preseason that he is the kind of QB of the future for any team. 6'5 , 245lbs. is no small deal and mobile with the instincts to get out of the pocket and complete his pass is what Redskins fans have wanted since Brad Johnson. If it were my choice, I would have to go with Big Ben over Taylor because it's much harder to find a QB with this kind of size and insightfulness that he exhibits.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]You know I can respect those of you who have so much confidence for Ramsey but I have made it clear from last year that Ramsey to me is the embodiment of so many QB's in the past who have shown flashes of greatness but who never reach their full potential due to a lack of instinctive knowledge to make the big plays when it is absolutely neccessary like Rothelisberger has shown. I believe based on what I have seen from Rothlisberger since preseason that he is the kind of QB of the future for any team. 6'5 , 245lbs. is no small deal and mobile with the instincts to get out of the pocket and complete his pass is what Redskins fans have wanted since Brad Johnson. If it were my choice, I would have to go with Big Ben over Taylor because it's much harder to find a QB with this kind of size and insightfulness that he exhibits.[/QUOTE]


So is there another Ramsey in the NFL that you have been watching? Because the 1 I watched last year bought us back against philli, with a bad foot I might add, he also bought us back against the giant's last year, and he ran all over the field to finally complete a pass on a 2 point conversion to McCant's, to tie that game, his first game ever he came in against the Titan's when we were down and pushed the ball up and down the field on them for his first win and that was a better game throwing than anything big ben has done so far stat wise, Ramsey has had absolutly no defense the last 2 year's, how accountable can you hold him if he bring's a team back to watch the defense give it away? System's have a lot to do with QB success, Griese has looked pretty good latly, considering he's replacing big time Brad Johnson, who IMO you can file right along side Trent Dilfer, Ben R is also stepping into an established system, all the player's know what is expected which will make it much easier on a new player, where as Ramsey is on the sidelines waiting to try and play in a new system, where everyone seem's to be still learning, Ramsey has great pocket awareness he just need's time to get comfortable with the system so he can stop thinking and start playing, then he will get rid of the ball and cut down on the sack's, but last year he barely had time to turn and set let alone throw, he was also almost automatic when he had breathing room to look over the defense and make a decision, and buy the way guess who has the stronger arm? Ramsey, Ramsey intelligence wise is also 1 of the smartest player's in football, yes I do believe that will quailify him with the ability to learn, and progress.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]You know I can respect those of you who have so much confidence for Ramsey but I have made it clear from last year that Ramsey to me is the embodiment of so many QB's in the past who have shown flashes of greatness but who never reach their full potential due to a lack of instinctive knowledge to make the big plays when it is absolutely neccessary like Rothelisberger has shown. I believe based on what I have seen from Rothlisberger since preseason that he is the kind of QB of the future for any team. 6'5 , 245lbs. is no small deal and mobile with the instincts to get out of the pocket and complete his pass is what Redskins fans have wanted since Brad Johnson. If it were my choice, I would have to go with Big Ben over Taylor because it's much harder to find a QB with this kind of size and insightfulness that he exhibits.[/QUOTE]

I hear what you're saying SUNRA. Right now Ben Roth is looking phenomenal but a lot of that is because he's been put in a position to play. I think ultimately we'll see the top QBs who were drafted last April playing-Roethlisberger, Manning, Rivers-and see that, while I think Big Ben may be slightly better than the others the difference isn't that great.

For Safety though, it was Sean Taylor and everyone else. Taylor was clearly the best safety in the draft and you could make an argument that he was the best defensive player period.

[QUOTE=offiss]So is there another Ramsey in the NFL that you have been watching? Because the 1 I watched last year bought us back against philli, with a bad foot I might add, he also bought us back against the giant's last year, and he ran all over the field to finally complete a pass on a 2 point conversion to McCant's, to tie that game, his first game ever he came in against the Titan's when we were down and pushed the ball up and down the field on them for his first win and that was a better game throwing than anything big ben has done so far stat wise, Ramsey has had absolutly no defense the last 2 year's, how accountable can you hold him if he bring's a team back to watch the defense give it away? System's have a lot to do with QB success, Griese has looked pretty good latly, considering he's replacing big time Brad Johnson, who IMO you can file right along side Trent Dilfer, Ben R is also stepping into an established system, all the player's know what is expected which will make it much easier on a new player, where as Ramsey is on the sidelines waiting to try and play in a new system, where everyone seem's to be still learning, Ramsey has great pocket awareness he just need's time to get comfortable with the system so he can stop thinking and start playing, then he will get rid of the ball and cut down on the sack's, but last year he barely had time to turn and set let alone throw, he was also almost automatic when he had breathing room to look over the defense and make a decision, and buy the way guess who has the stronger arm? Ramsey, Ramsey intelligence wise is also 1 of the smartest player's in football, yes I do believe that will quailify him with the ability to learn, and progress.[/QUOTE]

Two of the best QB's in the league are going head to head this weekend in Foxboro. Both started their careers around the same time as Ramsey under similar circumstances. New coach, new system. You asked if there is another Ramsey that I have been watching this year. The answer is no. Tom Brady, Chad Pennington, David Carr and Joey Harrrington have surpassed Ramsey on many levels because they instantaneously gained the confidence of their coaches through leadership and execution.

Ramsey's first year as a starter was rocky and proved to me that he could take a hit but obviously could not anticipate the blitz. In response to the Eagles game, Ramsey brought the team back in the final minutes of the game only to overthrow Coles for the two point conversion which would have tied the game. Ramsey threw an INT against the Giants on that exact passing route to Coles this year. With regard to the Giants game last year, Ramsey was unsuccessful at moving the ball in the first half and made a valiant effort to come back, but we lost that one too. Your record says who you are. Not what you have the potential to become. Ramsey hasn't played long enough to even qualify a lengthy discussion on his behalf. Coach Gibbs will not call Ramsey out in the public but Brunell would not be in D.C if Gibbs were confident that Ramsey fit into his system. I believe that Gibbs is buying time with Brunell until another veteran QB is available and Ramsey will be traded within the next two years. How many QB's has this happened to in the past 12 seasons? The list is too long to mention.

Although in any Redskins fantasy having Rothlisberger would be a dream....
BUT I think we had more pressing needs in the April draft particularly at running back position and on defense. We had signed a veteran, and have a young gun in Ramsey.....Pittsburgh had signed Duce and has a solid O line so Rothlisberger fit right in........Rothlisberger may be the best young QB out there, even better than Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, or Rivers ......

But yes makes a nice dream to see him in burgundy and gold......... :sleep:

Well, I am not a Ramsey fan. And it's NOT just because of the little play in THIS regular season. It is his MANY and very OBVIOUS flaws. At this point, he looks like a bust.

BUT... With Ramsey staying on the roster (and in Gibbs' plans) and Brunell added, it would have been insane to pick Rothlisberger in the first round. As others pointed out, he had ZERO chance of playing this year under Gibbs, and Gibbs still had not given up on Ramsey. Why add an unknown (which he was until he played in the NFL) when you already have a starter PLUS a QB that is clearly a major project to develop. It is not wise to have to develpmental project QB's at the same time (and that IS what BR was at that time)

Lastly, why are you so quick to throw away Taylor!!????? That makes no sense to me. This guy has amazing and very rare talents for his position. He will be a huge implact player over many seasons.

Ramsey needs more time to prove himself before he can be fairly labled as a bust, right now he's not even close simply because he hasn't played enough.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Ramsey needs more time to prove himself before he can be fairly labled as a bust, right now he's not even close simply because he hasn't played enough.[/QUOTE]

So given the comparison of Harrington, Carr, Pennington and Brady to Ramsey, why isn't Ramsey getting the time if his passing percentage is so great?

if Ben was on our team hed be on teh bench. Ramsey isnt playing for us so what makes you think that ben would. Gibbs is sticking with the vet and letting him learn the system.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]if Ben was on our team hed be on teh bench. Ramsey isnt playing for us so what makes you think that ben would. Gibbs is sticking with the vet and letting him learn the system.[/QUOTE]

We all know that before one ball is thrown in practice the players have to review a complex playbook. A veteran would certainly understand a little more about the offensive schemes than a younger QB, so of course Rothlisberger would be on the bench. Brunell is suppose to be here until Ramsey is ready to take over the helm, right? Wrong. Brunell has a seven year contract, while Ramsey has a three year conract. It's obvious that Brunell will not be here for another three years. I would not be surprised that Ramsey could be traded for a draft pick. Gibbs is more comfortable with older veteran QB's and that's not going to change. So, if Ramsey doesn't play this year he will not want to be a Redskin next year. It was a sticky situation when Brunell arrived and Gibbs handled it the way he knew best. It is unfortunate that Ramsey's only appearance was as distasterous as last years season. But time will tell.