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[quote=firstdown;559066]I never remember Vick failing any drug test. I do know a guy who lives down the street from him and his wife was saying that they have had a ton of traffic in their neighbor hood from all the media hanging out infront of his home.[/quote]From wikipedia


[B][quote] <H5>Failed drug test while free on bail[/B]

While free on bail, Vick tested positive for marijuana in a random drug test. This is a violation of the conditions of his release while awaiting sentencing in federal court for his felony conviction. Vick's positive urine sample was submitted September 13, 2007, according to a document by a federal probation officer that was filed in U.S. District Court on September 26.
As a result, U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson ordered Vick confined to his [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampton,_Virginia"][COLOR=#0000ff]Hampton, Virginia[/COLOR][/URL] home[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Vick#cite_note-44"][COLOR=#800080][45][/COLOR][/URL] between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. with electronic monitoring until his court hearing date in December. He also was ordered to submit to random drug testing.
Co-defendant Quanis Phillips was incarcerated earlier after his August 17 plea hearing because he had failed drug tests with monitoring equipment and regulations already in place
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[quote=gibbsisgod;559074]From wikipedia


[b]</H5>[/quote]
Ok, now I remember that I was thinking more along the lines of failing an NFL drug test.

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But why was he flipping off fans, because his play on the field was crud and worth getting called every name in the book. Please let him go somewhere else.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;559059]Flipping off fans that probably said some pretty harsh things, we all go to games so we know how "entitled" we as fans feel we are to say what we want because we bought a ticket. I can't excuse it but I can understand it. We don't think about the fact that this man probably was called every thing in the book and he's supposed to take that every week, so one day he flipped off a guy. It's not like in his press conference he said F you to the fans. Ron Mexico, oh you mean when he used a fake name to get medicine ? Cancel that one. Failed drug test ? For what weed ? Laughable. Cancer ? I think that is going just a bit too far. I swear fans use that word too quickly.[/quote]I dont have alot of time to argue the flipping off the fans incident. But as to the Ron Mexico thing, I was referring to the Lawsuit that was brought about because he knowingly gave a chick an STD. She listed it as his alias. And the failed drug test isn't about weed. Its about failing ANY drug test while your out on bail. Is he really that dumb?

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Would love to see him here. Watched him live in highschool, followed him in college and enjoyed watching him in the pros. However i dont see how he would fit in our system and Zorn has pretty much gone on record saying he wouldn't even consider the wildcat offense.

While i don't believe in dogfighting we all know he was used as an example and has certainly paid his dues. Tempted to go drive by his house, idk feel like a stalker haha.

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The one thing I feel fans are neglecting to see is that he went to jail, all his past friends jumped ship on him and the effect that will have on him as a person. My initial thoughts are that he is probrally more spiritual than before and is surrounded by a stronger cirlce of people. 3 years ago Vick was the most athletic player in the league and one of three faces for the NFL. People make mistakes, and we would be picking him up to play football and win games, not run for public office.
Last year everyone said that Hall was such a douche but all he seemed to do for the skins was make plays and keep his mouth shut. Randy Moss had trouble before going to the Patriots, so did Corey Dillion. This is a no brainer from a football standpoint, from a revenue standpoint, talent standpoint and a publicity standpoint. I never remember Vick ever calling out his teamates or throwing them under the bus.

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It would make sense if he went somewhere where they could use him in the wild cat formation, we don't even run that so I don't see where he would even fit here.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;559082]...
[B] 3 years ago Vick was the most athletic player in the league[/B]
...[/quote]

3 years is a long time in football. I wish him the best. Just not here. Heck, go to Miami or Tampa, they always like qbs.

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i do not want him. really, where would he fit in? and everyone is in agreement that he would be a public relations nightmare

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As they say in show biz, "good talk or bad talk atleast they're talking about you." If he starts winning games trust me the bad press will go away fast.

Since when has Vick only been seen as a wildcat only player? he was in the league making plays before that offense started being used.

Think from a GM's standpoint, not a fan. Worst case scenario was just added a guy with tremendous talent that could be traded for picks or players in the future. If Jeff George can still get phone calls about playing for teams I'm sure Mike Vick has some value!

3 years is a long time true; however 2 of those years saw no wear or tear from the riggors of the NFL.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;559090]Since when has Vick only been seen as a wildcat only player?[/quote]

Until he gets his feet back under him as a QB the wildcat is probably the best way to get him back on the field right away.

What other way is he going to be used this year, especially here?

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[quote=Mattyk72;559091]Until he gets his feet back under him as a QB the wildcat is probably the best way to get him back on the field right away.

What other way is he going to be used this year, especially here?[/quote]

I don't want him to be used at all. I would want him to back up Jason, learn the offense under Zorn ( a known QB Guru), and when the season is finished if Jason leaves or gets hurt we have a suitable, if not better replacement.

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If Michael Vick was a Steve Young caliber player, then I'd say sure why not. However, while his feet can dance, he's an average to below average QB (75.7 QB Rating, best season being 2002, or 7 long years ago). He's been away from the game for 2 years, and if he reinstated right away, he'd be able to return to the field half way through the preseason, meaning he would have missed crucial training camp time to even be considered as a reserve QB.

While I'm all for him getting a 2nd chance in the NFL since he's done his time, he's not worth the headache.

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A team that takes Vick better be ready for loads and loads of backlash. Including losing fans, protests on game day, etc. I don't think Snyder would be willing to go through that because unlike most bad publicity, this one could truly hurt the team.

That said, I think Vick a) gets suspended for more games by the league when it's over. b) Did something terrible. He made a conscious decision to break a dog's back... over his knee. That's disgusting to me, and I have a hard time forgetting that. It wasn't just dog fighting, then killing the animals when they're of no use to him anymore, he took time and fun to torture these poor animals to death.

He's a piece of shit, and if he were on the Redskins, I may have to seriously consider abstaining from the Redskins till he was no longer a part of the team.

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I would definitely take a chance on Mike Vick. I don't care about his past, I believe he learned a lot from this incident. (That's clearly not based on an interview, I'm just assuming) But I believe Vick is going to be a good player in the league again, maybe not great, but a good one and I'd take a chance on him