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I think the rule is dumb and insulting. How many times has a minority candidate been interviewed simply as satisfaction for the rule? Probably 75% of the time. To me that is awful. I wouldn't participate in such crap sharade if I were a minority. I think it is awesomely wonderful that the league is promoting this and being so proactive I just think this specific rule is terrible.

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[quote=Buster;494615]This rule is Reverse Racism.[/quote]

"Reverse" racism certainly exists, but the Rooney rule is not reverse racism. The rule does not require that the teams hire anyone. Nor does the rule in any way prejudice white candidates. The rule simply requires that teams at least talk to a minority coaching candidate.

It's funny that the people who blast guys like Jesse Jackson for crying wolf are usually the same people who scream and yell from the rooftops about "reverse" racism.

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[quote=DarkKnight;494313]how about hiring none at all.....or even just drop the rooney rule and keep all minorities from getting any oppourtunites? only reason you feel that way cause race is involved!!! this is typical thinking?[/quote]
Hmmm, have you looked at the make up of people in the NFL. They don't have any rules stating you have to draft minorties.

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[quote=FRPLG;494683]I think the rule is dumb and insulting. How many times has a minority candidate been interviewed simply as satisfaction for the rule? Probably 75% of the time. To me that is awful. I wouldn't participate in such crap sharade if I were a minority. I think it is awesomely wonderful that the league is promoting this and being so proactive I just think this specific rule is terrible.[/quote]

I was going to post a comment until I read yours. Well said. My thoughts exactly.

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[quote=DarkKnight;494318]who is the best coach, how do you determine that, by who he worked for, what he's done in his past....that means, no-one knew who Dungy was until Tampa took him.....who you think the best guy is?????? thats determine on what?[/quote]
This is such a laughably ignorant statement. Dungy was well known in the league for his work as an assistant coach. He worked his way up, just like most coaches do.

For the record - I have no problem with the Rooney Rule (to the extent I understand its requirements).

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[quote=firstdown;494695]Hmmm, have you looked at the make up of people in the NFL. They don't have any rules stating you have to draft minorties.[/quote]

did you know more than 80 pct. of the league is made up of minorities! what do you propose, they shot the minority candidates for wanting better job's and life styles.....maybe you right, maybe they should stop drafting minority players, and they get there own league? :stop:

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[quote=DarkKnight;494817]did you know more than 80 pct. of the league is made up of minorities! what do you propose, they shot the minority candidates for wanting better job's and life styles.....maybe you right, maybe they should stop drafting minority players, and they get there own league? :stop:[/quote]
This sounds like someone familiar...

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Yeah the rule is fine, but more importantly it is wasting the time of the minority candidate interviewed. Obviously if haslett does a good job then he will be the coach and interviews will just be a formality.

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As someone mentioned, one of the goals of the Rooney Rule was to provide qualified minority coaches the chance to have interview and networking experience. The overall goal of the league is to diversify the coaching ranks, and this rule gives an opportunity for coaches, who traditionally would not even be interviewed, exposed to the head coach hiring process. St. Louis can eventually hire Haslett if they want to, I don't think this rule is not going to prevent the Rams from doing that, and the media shouldn't be blowing this out of proportion. I do think the NFL should give teams a break if they want to groom an assistant from their ranks, but Haslett doesn't fit this scenario though.

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[quote=hooskins;494827]Yeah the rule is fine, but more importantly it is wasting the time of the minority candidate interviewed. Obviously if haslett does a good job then he will be the coach and interviews will just be a formality.[/quote]

Might be a formality for the Rams job, but not for another job down the line perhaps. For example, suppose Stump Mitchell interviews but doesn't get the job because the owner (suppose the Rams have an owner in this instance) is set on Haslett. But then next year the Rams GM takes over in let's say Jacksonville and he's looking for a new head coach. And he says "Hey, you know I was really impressed with Stump Mitchell when he interviewed last year. I never really got the chance to know him or sit down and listen to his ideas until I interviewed him last year. I like this guy, he's who I want as my head coach"

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[quote=DarkKnight;494817]did you know more than 80 pct. of the league is made up of minorities! what do you propose, they shot the minority candidates for wanting better job's and life styles.....maybe you right, maybe they should stop drafting minority players, and they get there own league? :stop:[/quote]

Teams should be allowed to interview and choose who ever they think is the best candidate, regardless of race. They also should not be forced to interview a minority candidate, especially if they don't have any minority candidates on their radar to be the head coach.

The NFL employs huge numbers of minorities; as players, assistants, head coaches, and officials, most of whom have done a fantastic job, both on the field and on the sideline. Has the Rooney Rule really done anything significant except appease those who would demand such a rule? It's overkill in my opinion. On the Redskins alone I think 7 or 8 coaches on staff are minorities.

I don't condone discrimination in any way, shape, or form. But given the state of the NFL as far as staff is concerned, I don't think the Rooney Rule is necessary or effective.

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[quote=SmootSmack;494851]Might be a formality for the Rams job, but not for another job down the line perhaps. For example, suppose Stump Mitchell interviews but doesn't get the job because the owner (suppose the Rams have an owner in this instance) is set on Haslett. But then next year the Rams GM takes over in let's say Jacksonville and he's looking for a new head coach. And he says "Hey, you know I was really impressed with Stump Mitchell when he interviewed last year. I never really got the chance to know him or sit down and listen to his ideas until I interviewed him last year. I like this guy, he's who I want as my head coach"[/quote]

I agree that those kind of scenarios are at least plausible, if not likely. But in my opinion that situation is also irrelevant as far as race is concerned. Hypothetically the Rams could miss out on Stump Mitchell by not interviewing him just as much as they could miss out on a non-minority candidate.

When deciding who to interview, teams should simply do their due diligence based on the candidate's past experience and reputation. And I believe they do. Skin color doesn't need to factor into it, and assuming it does is sort of a slap in the face to anyone who hires coaches.

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[quote=SmootSmack;494851]Might be a formality for the Rams job, but not for another job down the line perhaps. For example, suppose Stump Mitchell interviews but doesn't get the job because the owner (suppose the Rams have an owner in this instance) is set on Haslett. But then next year the Rams GM takes over in let's say Jacksonville and he's looking for a new head coach. And he says "Hey, you know I was really impressed with Stump Mitchell when he interviewed last year. I never really got the chance to know him or sit down and listen to his ideas until I interviewed him last year. I like this guy, he's who I want as my head coach"[/quote] On the flip side how does the token interview go? Maybe it goes like a normal interview and maybe it is a 10 minute drive-by interview. Like I said I appreciate the goal. I think having more minority head coaches was inevitable so I don't see much need for a rule which seems awfully insulting to me. I think there have to be other less overt but still infact effective ways to achieve the noble goals. The road hell is paved with...
Maybe I am just cynical.

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[quote=DarkKnight;494817]did you know more than 80 pct. of the league is made up of minorities! what do you propose, they shot the minority candidates for wanting better job's and life styles.....maybe you right, maybe they should stop drafting minority players, and they get there own league? :stop:[/quote]
My point was that they don't have rules about drafting minority players and look how they have done as players. Very well. I just feel they put this rule in place to be politicaly correct but in the end the teams still hire who they want. I really don't have a problem with the rule I just don't think it makes a difference when teams are hiring a coach.

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i agree...i think 90 percent of the time the owner kows who he wants