Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
 

[QUOTE=GMScud;389395]Yeah, I mean who in life hasn't or won't go through adversity off the field/off the job at some point in their life? I don't think we should give the man a pass just because he's dealt with some tough times. I'm not saying Taylor's murder and his grandson's leukemia aren't awful things, but I don't think we can make excuses for his performance as a head coach because of them.[/QUOTE]

We were better off with Bill Musgrave :)

Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
 

[quote=Schneed10;389371]....I'm up in the air on that. In order to do better next season, I think a degree of continuity is required amongst the coaching staff. If GW takes over as head coach, and Saunders stays as OC, then I'd probably be alright with it.......

Gibbs definitely doesn't seem to have his act together. How good can the communication process between Gibbs and GW be if Gibbs doesn't even know about the 10-man tribute? How can an NFL coach not know the two timeout rule on icing kickers? How can somebody with such a killer instinct in his first stint play things so conservative now in the 2nd half of games?
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Obviously the Head Coach takes the heat when a team is losing, especially the way we have since 2005 (excluding the 6 game run at the end of 2005). But I think a majority of the blame is on the coordinators. IMO since Gibbs returned he has been more of a "manager" similar to what he was doing in NASCAR. I think he has "empowered" his coordinators (not sure what level with Saunders) and they have made bad decisions and not produced. Gibbs is not going to throw these guys under the bus even if it means he retires because of their poor performance. Regarding the 10-man tribute, GW should have made sure Gibbs knew what was happening, if he didn't, it is disrespectful and shows what type of ego GW has. I don't think many of us would make a major decision that would effect our companies, in the public eye, without our management knowing what we were planning to do, if we did we wouldn't be employed very long. I also know for a fact that coordinators at the high school or college level wouldn't make this type of move without the Head Coach knowing about it.

I've said this before, if Gibbs steps away he should move into the front office and get rid of GW. Bring in a new HC (defensive minded) and give Saunders a year with complete control of the offense as OC. If Saunders doesn't like it then get a new OC also. Continuity is important if you see the organization moving in a postive direction with the right building blocks in place. With Gibbs off the sidelines and GW / Saunders running the show, IMO that would be a step backwards.

Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
 

if this was anyone else we'd all be calling for his head. i love gibbs to death but enough is enough. i hope he retires. it's almost getting painful to watch. he's just not a good nfl coach anymore. sometimes the truth hurts.

Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;389430]if this was anyone else we'd all be calling for his head. i love gibbs to death but enough is enough. i hope he retires. he's just not a good nfl coach anymore. sometimes the truth hurts.[/QUOTE]

I think the biggest problem is that no one can pinpoint what exactly he does. I mean he says he doesn't call the plays on offense, other than 4th down decisions. Yet people are on his case all the time about playcalling. He has input on defense and special teams but it's more of a consultancy role.

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[quote=SmootSmack;389442]I think the biggest problem is that no one can pinpoint what exactly he does. I mean he says he doesn't call the plays on offense, other than 4th down decisions. Yet people are on his case all the time about playcalling. He has input on defense and special teams but it's more of a consultancy role.[/quote]

Here is where he does or could have input. Sending in that silly ass jumbo package that never ever works on the goaline or in the redzone. None of the guys on the field are a threat to score except Cooley and the RB. As the head coach, and a man who was king, I mean king of halftime adjustments and innovative offense, he should change it up and try something else. There is no excuse for that. Bringing in all the heavy guys is just bunching up everything and the line can't create any holes. Yet he still sends it in, or even worse allows it to be sent in. That's just dumb ass coaching. If I could pin point one area where he has failed this is it. It has costed us games this year and he has not made any adjustments at all.

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Prisco makes the understatement that if it weren't for his name our head coach would be on the firing line. That's retarded IMO - if our head coach were anyone BUT Gibbs his ass would be long gone, and that's true not only w/ Danny boy but probably with any team owner in the league. Over his second stint Gibbs has lost 18 games in which he led at halftime, which is 7 more than any other coach in the league. Big money acquisitions have come up bust about half the time, putting the organization in salary cap hell. But more than anything, it's the week to week issues that have been simply appalling, from playcalling that even the half-interested announcers easily predict to dumbfounding clock-management and now ignorance of basic rules.

Gibbs, IMO, knows he would be gone if it weren't for special treatment and that fact more than anything else bothers him (as it would for anyone with strong character, which he has). So here's the big question I ask myself: will Gibbs ultimately accept his failure in this second tour and leave football behind forever OR will he redouble his efforts, sharpen his wits, and learn what it takes to be successful today (rather than what it took before salaries mattered)? I don't think there is an in-between for Gibbs. If he returns after this year we'll see a much sharper tack and probably a much better football team. If he doesn't return than all bets are off for Redskins football in '08; could be better, could be worse (though not by much).

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We do have quite a number of issues (salary cap, quality depth, play calling, clock management, etc) but nothing is un-fixable...and last time I checked this team was in the playoffs in 2005 with the same bunch of people (less Saunders). The real issue we seem to be having this year is with injuries, which can be addressed by keeping more of our draft picks.

I don't buy the notion that this team needs to clean house. This team has talent, they just need to get it together and I still have faith in Gibbs.

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Man, I thought this was done for the year, please no more Gibbs must go threads.

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[QUOTE=saden1;389460]We do have quite a number of issues (salary cap, quality depth, play calling, clock management, etc) but nothing is un-fixable...and last time I checked this team was in the playoffs in 2005 with the same bunch of people (less Saunders). The real issue we seem to be having this year is with injuries, which can be addressed by keeping more of our draft picks.

I don't buy the notion that this team needs to clean house. This team has talent, they just need to get it together and I still have faith in Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

That pretty well sums up my feelings, though I'd add "failure to execute called plays". Nicely done saden (notice how I didn't capitalize :) )

Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
 

[quote=saden1;389460]We do have quite a number of issues (salary cap, quality depth, play calling, clock management, etc) but nothing is un-fixable...and last time I checked this team was in the playoffs in 2005 with the same bunch of people (less Saunders). The real issue we seem to be having this year is with injuries, which can be addressed by keeping more of our draft picks.

I don't buy the notion that this team needs to clean house. This team has talent, they just need to get it together and I still have faith in Gibbs.[/quote]

The O-line is getting old. How many more years can we keep this group together? The wr position has to be addressed. AGAIN. Although we are faster on defense we still do not have any playmakers on the front 7. We need someone coming off the edge. I like Daniels but he just can't rush the passer. At all. And the secondary is a mess. Springs is hurt again and he probably isn't going to be here next year. And replacing Taylor is really going to be hard. He was the one player that opposing offenses feared.

We may not need a total house cleaning, but we might need a mini one.

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I'm an old school Joe Gibbs fan but i do think we need to move in a different direction although if JG wants to coach next year, so be it.

I've heard alot of excuses for JG over the last 4 years, but the fact is he hasn't gotten it done in a mediocre NFC. Talk all you want about the injuries and any other excuse but it hasn't worked. Maybe someone can do some homework, but how many games have we lost due to conservative play down the stretch...trying to run out the clock...playing conservative w/ a lead? I would take a guess and say 5 or 6 minimum in the last 2 years.

If JG's wants one more crack at it next year I'm ok w/ it, but I don't know that next year will be much different. It really hasn't changed much over the last 4 years and that's pretty sad.

My 2 cents is GW. That guy has got a pair and wants to win. He most likely won't leave the game in the hands of the defense every week. Al Saunders...he hasn't been calling plays much at all here and especially not in crunch time.

Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;389381]Has anybody given it some thought as to what's going on in Joe's head? Grandson diagnosed with lukemia, team swamped with key injuries, your best player gets murdered in the middle of the season. How would most of you guys that criticize Gibbs react if that happen to you? To boot a lot of the media and fans chant Joe must go. I think this man deserves more than a break, such as letting him fulfill his contract. You can't compare Joe with Cowher, Williams, Phillips, etc. none of those guys could do what Joe has done in his career even if it was in the past. We all wanted him to comeback? Didn't we? Then lets give him the decency of fulfilling his contract and then post this kind of posts if he fails.[/quote]
Well the issue with is grandson is a sad one but he is paid to win football games and if he has personal issues getting in the way then he sould retire. Using ST as an excuse is very poor because we have only played one game sense his death and what did Gibb's do? You also say give him a chance and only post these post if he fails. Right now what is his record? Do you call that not failing? I have backed Gibbs from day one and only until the past couple of weeks have I started to think that maybe its time for him to retire. If he stayes another year I'm not going to throw a fit but the thought of him retiring has crossed my mind.

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I'm so tired of hearing this B.S.. There is absolutely no way that Joe Gibbs should be fired or even quit. We are not that good, but we are better than when we were before he got here. Joe probably isn't going to come back after next season anyway. Let him go on his own terms. He is the Joe Pa. and Bobby Bowden of the skins. He deserves to stay as long as he wants. He is not as interactive as other head coaches, the coordinators run there unit. So it really doesn't matter anyway. I love Coach Gibbs and I know any true skins fan does too, leave him alone he is a hof and a legend.

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Does everyone understand that at some point we have to hold the players accountable for how they play? Perhaps part of the reason they keep making the same mistakes is that all the heat is focused on Gibbs and they continually skate. The game is played on the field. Gibbs has made some mistakes, but the players have made a lot more. Those guys have it pretty sweet it seems to me. They get paid millions, deliver nothing, and Coach Gibbs shoulders all the scrutiny. The ass clowns will be lined up around the block again this off-season hoping for a contract to play for the Washington Redskins - the easiest gig in football.

Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
 

[QUOTE=70Chip;389547]Does everyone understand that at some point we have to hold the players accountable for how they play? Perhaps part of the reason they keep making the same mistakes is that all the heat is focused on Gibbs and they continually skate. The game is played on the field. Gibbs has made some mistakes, but the players have made a lot more. Those guys have it pretty sweet it seems to me. They get paid millions, deliver nothing, and Coach Gibbs shoulders all the scrutiny. The ass clowns will be lined up around the block again this off-season hoping for a contract to play for the Washington Redskins - the easiest gig in football.[/QUOTE]

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