Re: What is your main gripe with the proposed Briggs deal?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;293053]Just a question, would anyone be happy if we got Briggs and were still able to get a quality defensive lineman at #31?[/quote]

I could live with that. After, reflecting on the deal for a few days, I am better with it. I am concerned with cost of paying Briggs, and our 31st pick.
I view Briggs as a nice to have, rather than crucial. Some way, we have to come out of this thing with AT LEAST one GOOD D-linemean. That is crucial.
It would make a, nice, kick ass, starting three. Another concer, is what is up with Rocky? Can't play, not ready yet?

Re: What is your main gripe with the proposed Briggs deal?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;293053]Just a question, would anyone be happy if we got Briggs and were still able to get a quality defensive lineman at #31?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be happy, but I'd be "less pissed." I'd still be bitter that we have no 2nd rounder for essentially no reason at all. Plus, like I said before, I feel like we really don't need another LB at this point.

Ideally we trade down a few spots, still get a good DT like Okoye or Branch, and pick up at least a 2nd rounder (where, apparently, the real gems can be found) so that we can get some secondary help.

Re: What is your main gripe with the proposed Briggs deal?
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;293056]You guys do realize that we would have to pay that 6th overall pick about the same as Briggs right. So don't tell me about spending to much money. Number 6 is going to make alot of money and we don't even know if he can play.[/quote]

That is categorically incorrect.

Last year, the 6th pick, Vernon Davis of the 49ers, got $14 million in guaranteed money, and his deal was worth a total of $5 million per season over 5 years.

Briggs is rumored to be getting $20 million in guarantees, and a total of $7.5 million per season.

Not to mention we still have to pay #31 on top of it - though I'll grant you that if #31 pans out as a good player, he'll be a bargain at what we're paying him.

But the real value isn't keeping the #6 pick, the real value is trading down to get away from the #6 pick dollars, and pay a lower 1st, 2nd, and maybe 3rd rounder to fill the multiple gaps we have.

Re: What is your main gripe with the proposed Briggs deal?
 

Ok sorry schneed. I still don't think this deal is to terrible. I'm not going to get all upset if it is done. I've put to much emotion into the Redskins offseason these past few years and I'm tired of it at this point I'm at the point where I don't care just let me go to some games next year and watch them win and then on to the Superbowl. lol

Re: What is your main gripe with the proposed Briggs deal?
 

No question Briggs is a great player, but let's say b/c of Brigg's big salary we had to cut Marcus Washington next year or couldn't afford to pay Cooley next year. What we do now affects how we handle our guys in years to come.

We have enough talent at LB!!! Get some other help. We gave away the house to get Rocky. Let him play unless he's totally incompetent.

Re: What is your main gripe with the proposed Briggs deal?
 

I hope people realize that trading down is no guarantee. It seems like every year there's all this pre-draft hype of teams wheeling and dealing and draft day comes and very little happens in the 1st round as far as trades.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to see us trade down and pick up more picks, but it's not quite as easy as some seem to think.

Re: What is your main gripe with the proposed Briggs deal?
 

[quote=redsk1;293062]No question Briggs is a great player, but let's say b/c of Brigg's big salary we had to cut Marcus Washington next year or couldn't afford to pay Cooley next year. What we do now affects how we handle our guys in years to come.

We have enough talent at LB!!! Get some other help. We gave away the house to get Rocky. Let him play unless he's totally incompetent.[/quote]

Briggs' deal isn't going to break the cap for us next year. As people have already mentioned the #6 pick isn't going to come cheap either.

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we got to have one of the stupidest FO if not that stupidest. We do tha same shit every off season and its really not working why we keep doing it, i mean going out and spendind crazy money on player when they come to us they play like shit i would rather see us really just try drafting. I don't like the boy briggs, we draft rocky last years lets work with him and draft a d-lineman what we really need not someone who just wanna get paid. I will be very hurt if we make this trade. does anyone know if there was a 2nd or 3rd pick in that trade for us??

Re: What is your main gripe with the proposed Briggs deal?
 

1. Not a major need.
2. Lose out on possible draft day trade downs.
3. I don't beleive Briggs will be as good in another defense as he looks playing in Chicago's great defense.

Re: What is your main gripe with the proposed Briggs deal?
 

Bringing in Briggs will probably deflate an already low locker room morale... as we saw it can happen and it happened last year... and its a need that at this poing in time doesn't need to be filled. With Fletcher and Washington, and good depth at LB... why the hell would we spend more $ and trade anything for another LB?

I want to see them take Okoye or even Landry at this point... we need help in the line more than anything, but I would take an upgrade to the secondary if he was a playmaker and be happy...

Have you ever seen a woman with a flat, tone stomach, but a really big fat ass... Why would you buy her an ab machine?

Re: What is your main gripe with the proposed Briggs deal?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;293063]Don't get me wrong I'd love to see us trade down and pick up more picks, but it's not quite as easy as some seem to think.[/quote]

I agree with this, but it becomes a lot more likely to happen if Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson were sitting there at 6 when we're on the clock.

Which is why I can't understand why we'd make a move before we're actually on the clock. Who knows, we could get amazing value.

And besides, if given the choice between Briggs and the #31, and standing pat at #6 and picking, I'd choose standing pat and picking at #6. Okoye would fill a much bigger need for us than Briggs does.

Re: What is your main gripe with the proposed Briggs deal?
 

That's a good question. To me it's not only about the picks involved, how good Briggs is or isn't, the cost, or whether he fits or doesn't. It's about what this trade represents and how this organization continues to run things. Sure, we need to add quality and sensible FA during the off season, but it seems like it's business as usual here.

Let me digress for a moment, remember last year when Brunell got booed when he briefly relieved Campbell? It started somewhat of firestorm here on the Warpath, in fact. I felt as though the stadium wasn't booing Brunell the person so much, but that he represented yet another high priced failure, and to many he embodied a coach's stubborness that just stuck with him too long. Before you jump on my back, I'm only suggesting that's what I believe could have possibly been going on in the minds of the idiots who booed the man. I'm not justifying it one way or another.

Now let's fast foward, I think the Briggs deal could draw the ire of the fans and the city in a similiar way. Here's the kicker...whether he turns out to be a stud or not , people , no matter what will be overly critical of Joe Gibbs and this organization. Unless he clearly has one of the best seasons in years at that position, it will become more of a distraction than anything else to this team.

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The BIGGEST thing I don't like about it is... this guy is a Drew Rosenhous represented player acting like a primadonna because he was franchised... he wants to sit out for 10 games becasue hes [U]only [/U]gonna make 7 mil next year...

Sound like a true redskin?:vomit:

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[quote=Schneed10;293069]I agree with this, but it becomes a lot more likely to happen if Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson were sitting there at 6 when we're on the clock.

Which is why I can't understand why we'd make a move before we're actually on the clock. Who knows, we could get amazing value.

And besides, if given the choice between Briggs and the #31, and standing pat at #6 and picking, I'd choose standing pat and picking at #6. Okoye would fill a much bigger need for us than Briggs does.[/quote]

I agree but it just seems like some people keep trumpeting this idea of trading down like it's a simple thing to do.

Personally I'd rather hold on to the #6 pick too and see what shakes out on draft day.

Re: What is your main gripe with the proposed Briggs deal?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;293053]Just a question, would anyone be happy if we got Briggs and were still able to get a quality defensive lineman at #31?[/quote]

No! Rocky hasn't even had a chance to play. It's the coaches job to get this guy ready to play. If Rocky isn't ready then let Marshall move back to his natural position. Marshall played weakside on a top 5 defense in 04. Guy played very well while Lavar was hurt. Do any of the defensive coaches who are making a ton of $ realize this?

Plus why do we always chase other teams players? How about rewarding guys who play well for you? Look what SF did w/ Gore? They tore up his contact and gave him 14 mil guar. Why aren't we doing this w/ Cooley?

I swear I wish we would get Floyd Reese or someone who knows what the hell they are doing. We don't have anyone in our FO who has a clue about what it takes to win in today's NFL.