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[quote=celts32;538406]I can't see anyone questioning JC's character like that...they may question his talent but everyone knows he's a standup guy. Anyone who thinks JC would only give his best in a contract year doesn't have a clue.[/quote]


Do you know Campbell personally? Then all you know of him is what he does on the field and the persona they project via the media. I am with you that I think JC is a good guy, but then again most of us have been around long enough to realize how much of what is projected to us about most of these guys is more or less propaganda. UNless you really know the guy enough to know what his goals and motives are you are just like anyone else, stuck on relying on the media with regards of forming an opinion on him. That being said, the reality of his present predicament and his future with this team rides on his having a huge year this season. If he has another mediocre performance with his second season of the WCO him and Zorn are gone. Just another fruitless line of Coaching/QB experiments gone bad if they guys don't pull it out. Mr Haynesworth just might save both their jobs.

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this is a stupid argument. cutler would want a 100mill contract, we don't have the space. there's no one to restructure for major money, and rabach and thrash won't even make up 3mill if they're both cut. beyond that, you're talking multiple draft picks.

cutler isn't bringing his offense or his WRs with him, and campbell's not the reason we lost last year (OL/WRs).

I don't think campbell is ever going to be one of the greats, but he's good and young and cutler isn't a big enough improvement to shower him/the broncos with crazy picks and money.

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[quote=That Guy;538456]this is a stupid argument. cutler would want a 100mill contract, we don't have the space. there's no one to restructure for major money, and rabach and thrash won't even make up 3mill if they're both cut. beyond that, you're talking multiple draft picks.

cutler isn't bringing his offense or his WRs with him, and campbell's not the reason we lost last year (OL/WRs).

I don't think campbell is ever going to be one of the greats, but he's good and young and cutler isn't a big enough improvement to shower him/the broncos with crazy picks and money.[/quote]

Nail, meet hammer. Thank you.

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[quote=That Guy;538456]I don't think campbell is ever going to be one of the greats, but he's good and young and cutler isn't a big enough improvement to shower him/the broncos with crazy picks and money.[/quote]I agree that he won't be one of the top 3 or 4 in the league ever, but he can be everything that Cutler is and will be if we put the right team around him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;538459]I agree that he won't be one of the top 3 or 4 in the league ever, but he can be everything that Cutler is and will be if we put the right team around him.[/quote]
G stop trippin!! No way can JC have a career even close to Cutler's unless a flip/flop of offenses- I mean lines and wide out talent was to happen... JC= career journeyman, Cutler= career probowler.. Don't be too blinded as a homer..

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Seems like we're not the only ones hearing rumors about Cutler. This is pretty hilarious.

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/03/18/snap.judgments/index.html]Why it's all Jay Cutler, all the time - Don Banks - SI.com[/url]

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[quote=Redskin Jim;538471]G stop trippin!! No way can JC have a career even close to Cutler's unless a flip/flop of offenses- I mean lines and wide out talent was to happen... JC= career journeyman, Cutler= career probowler.. Don't be too blinded as a homer..[/quote]

Cutler may have better numbers than Campbell, but their career records are virtually identical. You can argue the Skins have a much better Defense, but I would argue the Broncos Offense (O-line, WR and most importantly the same offensive system) has been better than ours. With that said, I don't care what kind of numbers a QB puts up...[B]winning is the name of the game[/B]. For their careers, it's a wash. The difference between these two guys is Campbell is a football player, a real gamer. Cutler is a whiney a$$ biznitch and a prima-dona (no clue if that's spelled correctly). Like I've previously stated, you can't tell if Campbell just threw a TD or an INT by his demeanor. Nothing seems to bother him. That's what I want in a QB. Let's give Campbell a second year in the same system. He hasn't been in the same system in consecutive years in the NFL yet.

BTW...Doug Williams was a career journeyman and the Skins did pretty well with him in 87...it's not just about the QB.

HAIL!

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[quote=SkinzzFan;538493]Cutler may have better numbers than Campbell, but their career records are virtually identical. You can argue the Skins have a much better Defense, but I would argue the Broncos Offense (O-line, WR and most importantly the same offensive system) has been better than ours. With that said, I don't care what kind of numbers a QB puts up...[B]winning is the name of the game[/B]. For their careers, it's a wash. The difference between these two guys is Campbell is a football player, a real gamer. Cutler is a whiney a$$ biznitch and a prima-dona (no clue if that's spelled correctly). Like I've previously stated, you can't tell if Campbell just threw a TD or an INT by his demeanor. Nothing seems to bother him. That's what I want in a QB. Let's give Campbell a second year in the same system. He hasn't been in the same system in consecutive years in the NFL yet.

BTW...Doug Williams was a career journeyman and the Skins did pretty well with him in 87...it's not just about the QB.

HAIL![/quote]
I think that pretty much bottom lines it. I agree.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;538444]Do you know Campbell personally? Then all you know of him is what he does on the field and the persona they project via the media. I am with you that I think JC is a good guy, but then again most of us have been around long enough to realize how much of what is projected to us about most of these guys is more or less propaganda. UNless you really know the guy enough to know what his goals and motives are you are just like anyone else, stuck on relying on the media with regards of forming an opinion on him. That being said, the reality of his present predicament and his future with this team rides on his having a huge year this season. If he has another mediocre performance with his second season of the WCO him and Zorn are gone. Just another fruitless line of Coaching/QB experiments gone bad if they guys don't pull it out. Mr Haynesworth just might save both their jobs.[/quote]

Of course I don't know him. But I watch, read and listen to an incredible amount of football coverage including Sirius NFL radio all day at work and I have never heard anyone say a bad word about JC personally. I guess your opinion is that you can question anyones motives if you don't know them. I don't roll that way though...I choose to believe JC has given his best every day since the redskins drafted him and will continue to do so regardless of his contract situation. Whether or not his best is good enough long term is the question.

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I'm not going to say that JC has no talent, I believe he does. However, I find it funny that when D. Hall and Haynesworth were signed, people were going off about character issues left and right about these guys despite their talents (even though IMO these "character issues" were blown out of proportion). Yet when it comes to this whole notion of bringing in Cutler, people are willing to throw character out the window for a player that may have slightly more talent Jason Campbell.

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[quote=Ruhskins;538394]Zorn has a year left to prove himself, I don't think he's going to want to risk it by teaching another QB his system all over again. And you overlook the fact that Cutler's 2nd year was under the same offense and coach.[/quote]

Campbell is like a large Millstone around Zorns neck. Zorns best change to extend his head coaching career beyond 2009 is to get a quarterback capeable of growing and improving in his system. If Zorn sticks with campbell all year, its almost 100% garaunteed that BOTH will be gone next year.

[quote=GTripp0012;538459]I agree that he won't be one of the top 3 or 4 in the league ever, but he can be everything that Cutler is and will be if we put the right team around him.[/quote]

which is easier - to invest everything you have and rework your entire offense to help make one mediocre quarterback look good.... or just go get yourself a good quarterback who can make everyone around him look better?

As far as Cutler wanting more money... he will, but not now. We wouldnt have to worry about extending him until next year if we brought him here.

That said, i dont really think we'd land Cutler, even if we were really going after him.

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[quote=Ruhskins;538545]I'm not going to say that JC has no talent, I believe he does. However, I find it funny that when D. Hall and Haynesworth were signed, people were going off about character issues left and right about these guys despite their talents (even though IMO these "character issues" were blown out of proportion). Yet when it comes to this whole notion of bringing in Cutler, people are willing to throw character out the window for a player that may have slightly more talent Jason Campbell.[/quote]

Cutler never stomped on a anyones face to the point where the guy needed stitches. Cutler never kicked anyone from his own team. Cutler never got in a fight w/ a his own teammate and brought back a pole to smash the guy's head in. Cutler doesn't get arrested for a road rage incident. As far as I know Cutler doesn't get into screaming matches w/ coaches on the sidelines. Need I go on? Cutler may be acting like a baby but he doesn't do the shit Haynesworth and Hall does.

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[quote=Ruhskins;538545]I'm not going to say that JC has no talent, I believe he does. However, I find it funny that when D. Hall and Haynesworth were signed, people were going off about character issues left and right about these guys despite their talents (even though IMO these "character issues" were blown out of proportion). Yet when it comes to this whole notion of bringing in Cutler, people are willing to throw character out the window for [B]a player that may have slightly more talent Jason Campbell.[/B][/quote]

Where is he more talented? That's my only question. His stats were the same as JC's with a better O-line. All we are getting is a latteral move. His passing yardage was the same, his completions were the same, his interceptions were higher then JC's.

I totally agree with the whole character issue thing. I'm so tired of people picking and choosing who they want to argue about character issues. Either you hire angels only or you learn to allow some issues to pass simply for having talent on the team. Everyone has their issues some greater then others.

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[quote=Ruhskins;538436]So let me get this straight, you people want to...[/quote]
Not sure youre responding to alot of people, seems like just me, lol.

[quote=Ruhskins;538436]- Trade away our #13th pick for another player (after everyone bitches and whines about the FO trading away picks and not "building through the draft"), because I'm sure we'd be losing this pick in some sort of trade.[/quote]
Quarterbacks of Cutlers pedigree almost never make it to free agency. Cutler was drafted with the 12th overall pick in 2006. Cutler is worth two-first rounders, minimum. Trading the 13th overall pick and Campbell and a mediocre player like Horton (hypothetically) for Cutler would be the bargain of the centurey. Quarterback is one position where is universally agreed that you break the "rules" for - if you need a QB and theres a young pro-bowl quarterback out there, you go get him.

[quote=Ruhskins;538436]- Trade for a player who has caused a PR nightmare for his team and probably the reason why it is not seen as a big deal is b/c he's a QB (if he were a receiver, he'd be compared to TO).[/quote]
Eli Manning caused a "PR nightmare" for the Chargers and everyones forgotten about that now. QBs are a different type of player in the NFL. Cutler feels screwed over by some 32year old arrogant coach and he demanded a trade. That doesnt even begin to compare with the Crap TO has done. TO has been a lockerroom cancer on every team he's ever been on. Cutler is loved by his teammates - the beef in Denver is between Cutler and management - nothing else.

[quote=Ruhskins;538436]- Disrupt the continuity of having our current QB with the same coach and offense, something that hasn't happened in a while (don't tell me the Gibbs and Saunders had the same system).[/quote] Even if you foolishly think Gibbs and Saunders systems were incredibly dissimilar, the fact remains Jason Campell had two full years in Saunders system-one that suited his talents. JC failed in that system after two years. Why does everyone forget that fact?

[quote=Ruhskins;538436]- Completely disregard JCs performance during the first 8 games when he had a working line and a healthy CP..[/quote] JC had a far superior line and better running back situation in Saunders system for two years... youre forgetting about THAT.

[quote=Ruhskins;538436]- Officially putting Zorn on a short leash, since bringing Cutler here would give us the whole "when is Shanahan getting hired" talk all season.[/quote] What has Zorn done to prove he shouldnt be on a short leash? This isnt the 80s and 90s where teams give quarterbacks and coaches a minimum of 3 years to get going. Teams all around the league are having success with new coaches and quarterbacks in one season. Of all the rookie head coaches last year, Zorn was the worst. Every year, teams like the Ravens, Dolhphins, and Falcons, show a new QB and coach can turn a team around. Yet here everyone feels Campbell somehow deserves all this patience - Campbells last chance should have been in 2007. We foolishly gave him another year last year. Zorn needs to take this team to the playoffs this year or he SHOULD be demoted or fired.

[quote=Ruhskins;538436]Once again, I don't know why continuity for more than one or two seasons is undervalued. The only way we should bring someone like Cutler would be if the team decided to completely blow up the team, which that hasn't happened.[/quote]

Why do people keep speaking of continuity as if its some inherantly good thing? Continuity is not good for continuitys sake, just like Change isnt good just for the sake of change. Continuity is only a good thing if what is being continued is also good. Campbell has overextended his stay in Washington. I'm not saying Jay Cutler is the one and only answer to us - but he would be a dramatic improvement over Campbell and he's someone who Zorn could take to greater heights than Campbell could ever dream of. That said, Zorns going to have to pull off a miracle to be the coach of this team in 2010.

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[quote=SBXVII;538552]Where is he more talented? That's my only question. His stats were the same as JC's with a better O-line. [/quote]

You think Denvers o-line is better than ours? Maybe 5 years ago, but they sure as heck havent been dominant lately. Campbell has had far more tools surrounding him to help him succeed than Cutler ever has. Our O-line was one of the top 5-8 in the NFL when gibbs was here. It regressed alot in the latter part of last year (due to mostly to injury) but it was still one of the top 15 in the league. People trash our line, but its not that bad... its just not nearly as good as it used to be.