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[quote=Longtimefan;779628]That was a direct quote from Mike Wise!![/quote]

Mike Wise is a freakin' moron. I truly can't stand that ass-clown!

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[quote=cdskins26;779571]Here are some numbers i would assess to the top 4 qb's in this draft: Please edit as seen fit.

Jake Locker:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:4
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 8 weeks-1 season.

Ryan Mallett:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:3
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1 Season at most.

Blaine Gabbert:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:4
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:2
Time needed to sit before ready to start: Immediately to 1 season.

Cam Newton:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:2
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1-2 seasons.[/quote]

What the hell are you going off of when you make these statements? Is this from some draft website, have you watched enough games of each player, or pure speculation based on what you have heard people say?

Everything that I have seen, Jack Locker looks pretty decent. Accurate when he has his feet under him; decent with bootlegs; great arms strength, mobility; and intangibles. Based on the games I've seen, his inaccuracy comes from poor WR and inconsistencies when pressured to move. Otherwise, he has really good mechanics.

My guess is, of the four, he has the longest tenure as a starting NFL QB.

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Only reason I believe in Locker is because Shanahan got Cutler to succeed after coming from a similar background.

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When I look at the results of this poll and the banter which results, makes it even more clear that taking any of these guys at ten is a mistake. I hope we seriously wait until the second b4 we consider any of these guys.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;779660]Only reason I believe in Locker is because Shanahan got Cutler to succeed after coming from a similar background.[/quote]

I can see your point here but Cutler is a more accurate thrower but a less gifted overall athlete. I would say Locker probably has better decision making/vision too.

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[quote=SkinItup;779684]I can see your point here but Cutler is a more accurate thrower but a less gifted overall athlete. [B]I would say Locker probably has better decision making/vision too.[/B][/quote]

That's still not exactly a strong vote of confidence by saying that though...

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;777886]Great point by Angry on the Wonderlic scores. Right now, I'll take Mallett. Played in a tougher conference, improved completion % each year, big arm, played solid in big games, carried his team offensively.

Locker had some horrible games, his comp % declined in 2010 with less attempts than 2009, his straight-line speed in the NFL will not be the factor it is in college.

All that being said, we need to move away from the mid-90's Shanny offense and move towards the 2009 Texans passing offense with more run emphasis. Mallett is a better fit for that type of system, than PA and rollouts.

As others have said, at 10 I'm exploring trade-down scenarios or taking best DL or OLB available.[/quote]

Mallett lost his best WR to injury and still had great numbers.

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[quote=SkinzWin;779688]That's still not exactly a strong vote of confidence by saying that though...[/quote]

Wasn't meant to be.

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Mallet i don't think has the mental part of the game yet but is the best of the big name quarterbacks. I would rather wait for Ponder. Sminal is like a little redskin hahaha

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WTF do you guys see in locker? What flippin ESPN analyst waved his magic wand and put you into a lip moistening, "on your knees" type trance over this guy? This guy couldn't hit Tina Turner with Ike's fist.

His athletisism is all he's got. He is a workout warrior. Aside from that he has none of the other necessary skills nor the intangibles. Wake the f up!

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[quote=Angry;782650]His athletisism is all he's got. He is a workout warrior. Aside from that he has none of the other necessary skills nor the intangibles.[/quote]

You didn't do your homework did you?

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[quote=Angry;782650]WTF do you guys see in locker? What flippin ESPN analyst waved his magic wand and put you into a lip moistening, "on your knees" type trance over this guy? This guy couldn't hit Tina Turner with Ike's fist.

His athletisism is all he's got. He is a workout warrior. Aside from that he has none of the other necessary skills nor the intangibles. Wake the f up![/quote]

ROTFLMAO!

Apparently they failed to really observe the Senior Bowl. You know the very game where Locker supposedly had the better team but lost. The very game where Ponder and Dalton shined brighter even though all the QB's were on the same footing with receiver's they were not used to playing with?

I hope the Skins don't take Locker.

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[quote=wilsowilso;782660]You didn't do your homework did you?[/quote]

What are you talking about? The guy can only throw the ball when he is running for his life. He's got nothing else.

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The thing about it is the reward aspect of Locker is much higher than that of Ponder and Dalton but at the same time the risk aspect is light years greater than any of the other qbs. He's the ultimate boom or bust pick. Like I've said before, if Locker was available with our second round pick or we were able to trade down and acquire a third rounder and Locker was available, I'd take him any day over Ponder or Dalton.

Christian Ponder has such great skills, has had 3x the talent around him than Locker but what exactly has he accomplished? Ponder has shown some accuracy. OK, what else? He's about as sturdy as a paper doll? Andy Dalton? What is with the love fest over this guy? Yeah, he had a big win over Wisconsin, that was definitely impressive, I'll give him that. But what else? TCU wasn't exactly playing murders row were they?

I'm not suggesting that Locker will be the next great thing, I'm pretty certain he won't be to be honest. I'd rather not waste a pick on a qb at all this year unless we can get one much later. That is the only reason that a guy like Dalton or Ponder would be superior to Locker as Locker will most likely go in the first round where as neither Dalton or Ponder probably will. Obviously much can change between now and the draft though. I'd just rather see us spend our picks this year on players that can give us impact now or very soon as opposed to 2 or 3 years down the road.

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Personally newton is the only quarterback i would want at the 10th pick. aside from that i believe that locker could be worth our second round pick or if we trade back into the first for more picks. Who could be a good trading partner to us in the 22-28 range?