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Technically the Jets first tried to trade up for Reggie Bush before deciding on Brick over Hot Tub

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[quote=Audi;675695]Please name the few teams that have been in similar situation that had success by drafting a LT in the first round and a QB in the second round as you suggested.[/quote]2008 Dolphins, but first, why don't you name all the teams that have been in a similar situation who have had success, period.

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[quote=over the mountain;675702]yeah ruhskins, man i get what your saying but after campbell and ramsey, im kinda done picking up the scraps left on the QB table after teams with the high draft picks take the prime cuts of meat.

dont get me wrong, you can find great QBs after the first 10 picks but id rather we take an honest to goodness swing at one of the top qb prospects and not settle for the 3rd or 4th best qb available in the draft.

its just been so long since weve had a true great QB. sitting at no 4 i cant help but be enamored with the idea of taking a chance on a cream of the crop qb for once.[/quote]If the prime cuts are underclassman, you're at the wrong butcher.

I don't actually think the prime cuts of this class are underclassmen, but again, that's a valuation problem with defined arbitrage opportunities. Your argument is that 1) arbitrage opportunities don't exist in the NFL draft (at least at QB), which by extension means that 2) drafting higher is drafting smarter. Which is something I disagree with philosophically.

At least, that's what I think I'm reading in that middle paragraph, that getting a great QB after the top ten picks requires good fortune. I don't know if that's what you were trying to say, but I'd agree to an extent. The idea is to get a player in the bottom half of the first round or in the second round [B]that should have been rated in the top half of the first round[/B]. Drafting quarterbacks, at value, is one of the worst strategies that is common in the NFL draft. Quarterbacks need to be taken later than you have them rated.

And if there's no one that's rated higher on the big board than the pick suggests, there's nothing you can do to make the opportunity better. That's essentially playing with the hand you are dealt, and not moving in with whatever just because you are tired of taking down small pots.

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So long as we didn't give this chump playing time or lots of money I'm cool. I'm sure he'll make a fine practice dummy for our defense.

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[quote=Audi;675753]1. Buster said David Carr is a good example of taking a QB before addressing the offensive line.

2. I asked if Mike Williams should have been taken instead.

3. You brought up Ferguson.

4. I said that was a bad example because there was no comparable quarterback rated as high as Ferguson.

5. Dirtbag said Leinart was the better prospect.

6. I cite Polian's commentary as to why that is probably not true.

7. After much-ado about what Polian meant, you finally say that Leinart is rated lower than Ferguson, which confirms what I said at point #4.

That's all there is to it. I can't help if you are having a disconnect and having one of your "Brees in a deep QB class" moments.[/quote]

Yes, Polian obviously knows what subjective probability is and you don't, i.e hypothetically, he believes the Rams have a 60% chance of taking Bradford and 40% chance of taking Suh after considering all the sources he can find. It's highly doubtful he'll be surprised if the 40% event occurs. He probably had a plan if either player were taken before he could. If they taken random scrub #01, then they'll be surprised.

Related to that is that you also continue to assume that the GMs are in consensus all the damn time even though it wouldn't make any sense to reveal all the cards to the other franchises.

Final draft order does not necessarily reflect the draft boards of each individual franchise's scouting department, it's the manifestation of individual teams' FO's making decisions on which of the top prospects who are all going to go somewhere in the first round to choose. It's highly likely some teams rated Pacman higher than Rogers and vice versa, for example.

And actually, the Texans did not have a perceived need at LT at the time because they chose Tony Boselli to be that guy in the expansion draft. Since the percecption was that they were set at LT, they took a QB. So, the "Carr was simply the BPA" premise is suspect at best. They thought they had their tackle at the time, but in actuality, they didn't.
Even so, there's no way to know how much of a gap Leinart really had with Ferguson or what other incentives were in play when weighing the BPA vs. need for the Jets. So yeah, I'll retract that the Jets clearly thought Ferguson was better than Leinart because it's damn hard to weight the BPA vs. need incentive. They chose the fix OL and see what Pennington, etc can do. Al Davis probably just didn't believe he had the ridiculous measurables he wanted, Buffalo had to see what they had in Losman, a first-rounder, and Millen believed Kitna would be the guy. I already dealt with San Fran and Green Bay earlier. Because these teams between the 4th and 10th pick didn't have a pressing incentive for drafting a QB, it's hard to judge the Leinart was soooo ZOMG worse that he fell off a cliff down to #10. 'Zona, on the other hand, did not view Warner to be nothing more than a true stopgap to hold the fort until "the future one" develops. Nothing Warner did in his stint with the Giants would hint of what would happen in the last couple of years.


Not my problem you can't frame a syllogism to save your life.

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[quote=Mattyk;675133]Good backup move, not sure it tips our hand on anything really. We needed a veteran backup and he knows the system.[/quote]

The Giants got Sergie(sp) and ...I don't like it,Garcia is still out there and he is a good back up....I wish we had gotten him.I feel Grossman will want to start.....and just might.JC is as good as gone ....and it's a shame ....yes I would take him,I like Eli but Campbell can play.

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Wtf?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?

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[quote=SmootSmack;675663]Sure, but "The Hogs" weren't built on first round picks

Russ Grimm (3rd round)
Mark May (1st round)
George Starke (11th round)
Jeff Bostic (undrafted)
Joe Jacoby (undrafted)
Jim Lachey (1st round-Chargers; joined Redskins in 5th season)
Raleigh McKenzie (11th round)
R.C. Thielemann (2nd round-Falcons; joined Redskins in 8th season)
Mark Schlereth (10th round)
Ed Simmons (6th round)[/quote]

[SIZE=5][COLOR=red]Ta Daaaa. ;)[/COLOR][/SIZE]

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I don't think anyone on here is saying that every position on the o-line needs to be a first round pick. That is ridiculous. The line plays as a group and 2 #1 picks who are worthy of being #1 picks, can upgrade the line [B]tremendously[/B].

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[quote=53Fan;675821]I don't think anyone on here is saying that every position on the o-line needs to be a first round pick. That is ridiculous. The line plays as a group and 2 #1 picks who are worthy of being #1 picks, can upgrade the line [B]tremendously[/B].[/quote]

As reasonable as you sound, you can bet people will be unhappy with how the Redskins approach "fixing" the offensive line.

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[quote=12thMan;675822]As reasonable as you sound, you can bet people will be unhappy with how the Redskins approach "fixing" the offensive line.[/quote]

Some people are unhappy not matter what you do.

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I love after a while every, almost Evert thread title bears no meaning on what's being discussed after the first three, if ur lucky, pages. Lmao

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[quote=53Fan;675821]I don't think anyone on here is saying that every position on the o-line needs to be a first round pick. That is ridiculous. The line plays as a group and 2 #1 picks who are worthy of being #1 picks, can upgrade the line [B]tremendously[/B].[/quote]There's no where where the "add one guy, improve two dependent positions" theory holds more water than on the offensive line.

I'm not even suggesting that we need two tackles in this draft. They just need to be serious about improvement.

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Grossman? Grossman?!! I mean Rex Grossman? You might have been better off getting Gus Frerotte after all. Well one thing is for sure, Brennan is the odd man out. He had no business getting drafted in the first place.

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[quote=luke4twenty;675721]Understand the backup thing, but just thought we could get a backup that had more of an upside. Younger, bigger arm, more tools. As far as the "system", Rex played one year in it...not like he is an expert.[/quote]

+1
I figured/hoped Dan Orlovsky or maybe even John David Booty.
But, Rex will suffice maybe Dan wasn't available?