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Just saw the ESPN article about [URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/4940/gruden-explains-decision-to-retain-haslett"]Gruden retaining Haslett[/URL]. I'm not the biggest fan of Haz either, but I give him one more year. He will have control, cap money, and draft picks available. If our d isn't turned around at this time next year he's gone. This isn't a new system, we're giving him everything he needs, no more excuses. Get it done or get out.

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Pretty surprised Ike Hilliard is apparently coming back as well

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I would love to see KO be our DC someday soon.
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[quote=Lotus;1056018]Except the WaPo article about Haslett's retention talks about an extension for him.[/quote]

Who you gonna believe, me or the head coach. Come on Man ;)


ok so I hadn't read the article and was writing my hopes. Thanks for dashing them!

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Hoping the Skins finally got it right, for the first time since 2007.

But the emphasis on Gruden being a former QB, specifically brought in to get the most out of our QB, with assistants already on the payroll before Gruden is hired.....

Not helping my optimism here, guys!
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Can't believe I'm saying this, but I hope Gruden is more Jim Harbaugh than Jim Zorn. And I don't even like either Harbaugh brother! (Would love the Skins to be as solid as the Niners currently are.)

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Zorn doesn't even belong in the conversation.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1056028]Pretty surprised Ike Hilliard is apparently coming back as well[/quote]

Just curious, why are you surprised by this? He's coached here, and with Gruden for the Tuskers. Seems like all the other coaching additions.

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[quote=WillH;1056041]Just curious, why are you surprised by this? He's coached here, and with Gruden for the Tuskers. Seems like all the other coaching additions.[/quote]

I realize all that, I just thought they might go in a different direction I guess.

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Well, from what I understand, Haslett's contract was not extended, so perhaps this is a "show me" situation and Jay just kept him on board as a favor for giving him the Tuskers gig a few years back. I still would like to bring in another defensive mind to help out. Perhaps we snag the other Phillips? (Doubt that happens, though.)

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1056039]Zorn doesn't even belong in the conversation.[/QUOTE]

Hey buddy jimmy Zorn won 8 games his first yr, also he was pretty funny after games....

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I mentioned Ike but he was the one person I hoped that they did not select. He has not brought value to the franchises that he has worked for. I hoped they would have considered other options.

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[quote=Mattyk;1056039]Zorn doesn't even belong in the conversation.[/quote]

Why not? After all, he's the only coach that the Maroon, Yellow, and Black has ever had.

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I have waited to vote until we saw if Gruden retained Haslett.

I voted, I don't like the hire

Now that he has retained Haslett...and even talked about "extension"....we have seen the complete lack of leadership that I feared was possible...rather than putting his foot down for the benefit of the team, he has retained the leader of the worst Redskins defense I have ever seen...why?....because he couldn't get the linebacker coach from Cincinnati.

It looks to me like Gruden hires who he knows...not who is best. There are probably 31 defensive coordinators that are better than Haslett today...and probably a dozen position coaches that would be better. I am disappointed but not suprised that they are keeping Haslett....I am SHOCKED that gruden spoke of an extension....and it shows very bad common sense to express publicly that you wanted to get the linebackers coach from Cincinnati, but didn't because he was promoted over there to defensive coordinator...what a blow to confidence in Haslett...hopefully, the comment about extending him was just a way to try to boost team confidence in Haslett...but good luck with that...even Fletcher expressed joy when he thought Haslett was no longer going to be the coordinator.

Gruden is creating a problem on the defensive side even before day one...it looks like more drama for Redskins park...YAY!

The Redskins are FOOLS for not getting a new defensive coordinator this year!

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So with Has back in the fold I would expect Rak not to be going anywhere.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1056008]Almost certainly, this is a case of money talking. I imagine the conversation was something like:
BA to JG -- You can hire your own staff, but we would really like not to pay people to sit at home. Could you live with Haslett for this year?

JG -- Hey Haslett and I are good, I can work with him.

BA -- Good answer Jay.

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in other words, while I hope Jay was given the option not to keep him, the team made clear that their preference was to let the contract play out.

I have no proof of this, just how I hope it went. Remember, Jay didn't change out a lot of the Bengals staff when he took over at OC. He seems to be a "I'll work with who's there" type coach.[/quote]

I'm positive the conversation was similar to this....lol.

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lol, every good spinster knows to always put the unpopular news out there on a friday afternoon.

i just hope an immediately improved secondary = immediately improved defense.

smoot - any truth to the leak that shanny forced Has to play primarily zone when he wanted to primarily play man?

ps - zorn will always hold a special place with me. his overly candid interviews/press conferences when he first started, his cheesey "hip hip hoorays!" and of course calling swing-gate twice late in the season just to piss the DS off after the DS effectively neutered him publicly (and banned fans from bringing signs)

zorn was the effin man in my book.

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yeah, i'm not behind has or ike, but i'll wait and see i guess (like i have any real choice).

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While i expected Has to be gone this year no matter what, I have to concede that if half of what has been said about Shanny overruling him is true and the lack of money put to that side of the ball i will be in the wait and see mode. It probably has a lot to do about money, but to be fair a lot of HC's hire guys who they are comfortable with.

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I'm more surprised about Haslett being kept than disappointed.

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Looks like we could have let Haz ride off into the sunset but lassoed him back.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1056096]So with Has back in the fold I would expect Rak not to be going anywhere.[/quote]

If I was Rak, I wouldn't come back to play the same scheme.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1056116]I'm more surprised about Haslett being kept than disappointed.[/quote]

I'd agree

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[quote=jamf;1056120]If I was Rak, I wouldn't come back to play the same scheme.[/quote]

Goodbye then, he has a lot of years to prove himself. You can recall all his stats but tell what game of meaning he played well in, he is probably more of a 4-3 DE, but been a LB since he has been in the NFL. If he can get a 10 mil a year contact then see ya later.

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I would like to take the wait and see approach with this team but I am getting increasingly more concerned that no one has any idea of what they are doing at Redskins park.
The hires scream good ole boy network to me.

I get the feeling Gruden was Bruces guy from day one and all the other interviews were a formality. Jay didn't have the stones to fire Haslett because Haslett hired him in the arena league and the Wes Wilson hire kills me, another coaches son. basically a guy who got a job in the NFL when his dad was HC of Dallas and lets not forget, he comes from dallas!

This looks like the "good ole boy network" at it's finest.

Allen has a history with Jon G at Oakland and Tampa, it's clear he is trying to recapture that with the latest Gruden. Unfortunately it feels like he hired a bunch of drinking buddies and said "hey let's see if we can go win some games".

Bruce Allen hired his friends and I feel his friends aren't the best coaching options available. I am trying so hard to be optimistic but I fearful we are doomed for another 4 years of heart ache.

I just can't trust a guy with Vinny Cerrato eyes.
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[quote=redskins5044;1056123]Goodbye then, he has a lot of years to prove himself. You can recall all his stats but tell what game of meaning he played well in, he is probably more of a 4-3 DE, but been a LB since he has been in the NFL. If he can get a 10 mil a year contact then see ya later.[/quote]

Hey I'm the guy who posted that stat that he has 4.5 career sacks against the NFC east and 0 against Dallas.

I don't see why he would want to stay on a team that uses him as a coverage linebacker.
He should be used like Mathis in Indy.
and you're right, he is non existent against good left tackles.

[QUOTE=redskins5044;1056123]Goodbye then, he has a lot of years to prove himself. You can recall all his stats but tell what game of meaning he played well in, he is probably more of a 4-3 DE, but been a LB since he has been in the NFL. If he can get a 10 mil a year contact then see ya later.[/QUOTE]

Yeah it seems like Rak always starts balling when we r way out of the playoff race, of course it doesnt help we have sucked most of his yrs

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[quote=jamf;1056125]Hey I'm the guy who posted that stat that he has 4.5 career sacks against the NFC east and 0 against Dallas.

I don't see why he would want to stay on a team that uses him as a coverage linebacker.
He should be used like Mathis in Indy.
and you're right, he is non existent against good left tackles.[/quote]

Let him be just a rushing LB or DE in a 4-3...he has one move...don't over pay him...not saying he can be replaced right away but be I wouldn't overpay him.

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[quote=jamf;1056124]I would like to take the wait and see approach with this team but I am getting increasingly more concerned that no one has any idea of what they are doing at Redskins park.
The hires scream good ole boy network to me.

I get the feeling Gruden was Bruces guy from day one and all the other interviews were a formality. Jay didn't have the stones to fire Haslett because Haslett hired him in the arena league and the Wes Wilson hire kills me, another coaches son. basically a guy who got a job in the NFL when his dad was HC of Dallas and lets not forget, he comes from dallas!

This looks like the "good ole boy network" at it's finest.

Allen has a history with Jon G at Oakland and Tampa, it's clear he is trying to recapture that with the latest Gruden. Unfortunately it feels like he hired a bunch of drinking buddies and said "hey let's see if we can go win some games".

Bruce Allen hired his friends and I feel his friends aren't the best coaching options available. I am trying so hard to be optimistic but I fearful we are doomed for another 4 years of heart ache.

I just can't trust a guy with Vinny Cerrato eyes.
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You aren't really comparing Jay Gruden to Vinny Cerrato are you? Let's give it a chance my friend. I am all for Jay bringing in good coaches and keeping good coaches that he feels comfortable working with...drinking buddies or not...preferably drinking buddies...:)

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I'm comparing their eyes!

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[quote=jamf;1056142]I'm comparing their eyes![/quote]

I know they're dreamy but come on now, let's behave like men up in here.

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I really don't understand the criticism of Orakpo at all. Not even a little bit. There are not many guys in the league who the offense has to scheme around. Orakpo changes protection schemes.

And why are people assuming he'd like to be a full time pass rusher? He's gotten better in space, I never played football but I would imagine the game is more fun and rewarding when your versatility is put to use.

Good 3-4 outside linebackers are worth a ton of money. It's like a lockdown corner or a stud LT, it's just an expensive position. And there's a reason for that, it's because if you don't have one you're already behind the 8-ball from the jump.

You won't find another player on the free agent market who can make the same impact, and if you want to draft one you need to use a top 15 pick. $10M a season is his floor and he's worth every penny.

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[quote=Schneed10;1056145]I really don't understand the criticism of Orakpo at all. Not even a little bit. There are not many guys in the league who the offense has to scheme around. Orakpo changes protection schemes.

And why are people assuming he'd like to be a full time pass rusher? He's gotten better in space, I never played football but I would imagine the game is more fun and rewarding when your versatility is put to use.

Good 3-4 outside linebackers are worth a ton of money. It's like a lockdown corner or a stud LT, it's just an expensive position. And there's a reason for that, it's because if you don't have one you're already behind the 8-ball from the jump.

You won't find another player on the free agent market who can make the same impact, and if you want to draft one you need to use a top 15 pick. $10M a season is his floor and he's worth every penny.[/quote]
Exactly.

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This thread has definitely jumped the shark.

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[quote=Schneed10;1056145]I really don't understand the criticism of Orakpo at all. Not even a little bit. There are not many guys in the league who the offense has to scheme around. Orakpo changes protection schemes.

And why are people assuming he'd like to be a full time pass rusher? He's gotten better in space, I never played football but I would imagine the game is more fun and rewarding when your versatility is put to use.

Good 3-4 outside linebackers are worth a ton of money. It's like a lockdown corner or a stud LT, it's just an expensive position. And there's a reason for that, it's because if you don't have one you're already behind the 8-ball from the jump.

You won't find another player on the free agent market who can make the same impact, and if you want to draft one you need to use a top 15 pick. $10M a season is his floor and he's worth every penny.[/quote]


Sir, I am gonna need you to stop making sense. Take that sense-making witchery back where it came from.

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[quote=Schneed10;1056145]I really don't understand the criticism of Orakpo at all. Not even a little bit. There are not many guys in the league who the offense has to scheme around. Orakpo changes protection schemes.

And why are people assuming he'd like to be a full time pass rusher? He's gotten better in space, I never played football but I would imagine the game is more fun and rewarding when your versatility is put to use.

Good 3-4 outside linebackers are worth a ton of money. It's like a lockdown corner or a stud LT, it's just an expensive position. And there's a reason for that, it's because if you don't have one you're already behind the 8-ball from the jump.

You won't find another player on the free agent market who can make the same impact, and if you want to draft one you need to use a top 15 pick. $10M a season is his floor and he's worth every penny.[/quote]

Not so fast my friend...

Rack is not even the best linebacker on this team. I took a look on the NFL stats Lab and compared him first to the linebackers on our team. Brian only had 10 sacks, 1 Interception, 0 FF and 60 tackles. Kerrigan had 9 sacks, 0 ints, 4 forced fumbles, and 66 tackles in a year where Kerrigan admitted that he was hurt.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/4515/kerrigan-to-have-minor-surgery-talks-4-3]Ryan Kerrigan to have minor surgery; talks 4-3 - ESPN[/url]

Now let's compare Rack to the best player at his position this year... Robert Quinn had 19 sacks 7 Forced Fumbles and 57 Tackles. The second best ranked free agent at the same position is Jason Worilds. He had 64 tackles, 8 sacks and 2 FF. That is not much of a drop off, also Jason is two years younger.

We could also target Michael Johnson who excelled at OLB in a 3-4 system in 2012.

All this to say that we don't need to overpay Brian Orakpo. I would argue that Perry Riley is a more important sign than Rack. Riley is our leading tackler and averaged 79.8 tackles over his four year span on the team.

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Did they also account for the all the attention Orapko demanded to help with Kerrigan's stats?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1056176]Not so fast my friend...

Rack is not even the best linebacker on this team. I took a look on the NFL stats Lab and compared him first to the linebackers on our team. Brian only had 10 sacks, 1 Interception, 0 FF and 60 tackles. Kerrigan had 9 sacks, 0 ints, 4 forced fumbles, and 66 tackles in a year where Kerrigan admitted that he was hurt.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/4515/kerrigan-to-have-minor-surgery-talks-4-3]Ryan Kerrigan to have minor surgery; talks 4-3 - ESPN[/url]

Now let's compare Rack to the best player at his position this year... Robert Quinn had 19 sacks 7 Forced Fumbles and 57 Tackles. The second best ranked free agent at the same position is Jason Worilds. He had 64 tackles, 8 sacks and 2 FF. That is not much of a drop off, also Jason is two years younger.

We could also target Michael Johnson who excelled at OLB in a 3-4 system in 2012.

All this to say that we don't need to overpay Brian Orakpo. [B]I would argue that Perry Riley is a more important sign than Rack[/B]. Riley is our leading tackler and averaged 79.8 tackles over his four year span on the team.[/quote]


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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1056177]Did they also account for the all the attention Orapko demanded to help with Kerrigan's stats?[/quote]

That could be a valid argument if Kerrigan didn't have the same sack totals in 2012 without Rack due to injury. Ryan had less tackles but Fletcher was a better player in 2012 as well.

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Sacks aren't the be-all, end-all. While I DO agree that signing Riley is important, I still feel like getting Rak back is more important. It would be yet another hole to fill with either a draft pick OR another high priced FA.

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Rak is going to get a lot of play on the market. There's a reason.