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15 year olds, free sterilizations under Obamacare in Oregon....WITHOUT parental consent.

[url=http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obamacare-mandate-sterilize-15-year-old-girls-free-without-parental-consent]Obamacare Mandate: Sterilize 15-Year-Old Girls for Free--Without Parental Consent | CNSNews.com[/url]

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It takes the.....FED to raise a child?

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What 15 year old would want to be sterilized? Really?

I could believe in an extreme case, like women (or girls) who are transgender and have no desire to have children.

But if I offered to chop your nuts off right now, I doubt you'd be jumping at the opportunity.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;932292]What 15 year old would want to be sterilized? Really?

I could believe in an extreme case, like women (or girls) who are transgender and have no desire to have children.

But if I offered to chop your nuts off right now, I doubt you'd be jumping at the opportunity.[/quote]


What? Didn't you know? That's the new hipster thing to do. Run down to your local clinic and get sterilized. All the cool kids are doing it! I imagine our deficit is going to really increase with all these hipsters. DAMN YOU KIDS!

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SS, you don't possibly think this is a bit of a strawman here?

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One of the first battles against the ObamaCare HHS Mandate, win for religious freedom...for now.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/27/catholic-business-owners-that-fought-off-obamacare-get-proclamation-from-denver/]Catholic business owners who beat back ObamaCare denied award from Denver | Fox News[/url]

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The second a business tries to roadblock healthcare, I'd start dropping tax breaks/etc. If you're catholic/religious and don't believe in contreception, great. However, you don't have the right to push your views on other people. No one is forcing anyone to use contreception, but they want to make sure it is available to everyone that wants it. That is not stepping on anyones freedom or beliefs. If [b]YOU[/b] don't believe in it, than don't use it -- but don't force [b]YOUR[/b] beliefs on other people.

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[quote=Daseal;934694]The second a business tries to roadblock healthcare, I'd start dropping tax breaks/etc. If you're catholic/religious and don't believe in contreception, great. However, you don't have the right to push your views on other people. No one is forcing anyone to use contreception, but they want to make sure it is available to everyone that wants it. That is not stepping on anyones freedom or beliefs. If [B]YOU[/B] don't believe in it, than don't use it -- but don't force [B]YOUR[/B] beliefs on other people.[/quote]Hold on here. It is no secret to anyone who seeks employment with a Catholic owned business, charity, hospital, etc. that you won't get contraception, abortion drugs or sterilization in a health plan. [B]YOU[/B] don't like it, don't work there. The business in the lawsuit is a private business and doesn't get any tax breaks from the fed.

Let's be real about this, contraceptives cost $ 30/mo. or less. If you as an employee [B]choose[/B] to work at a Catholic run organization, you make the choice to pay the $ 30 /mo.

This is a case of the federal gov't attempting to force/fine/coerce not just Catholic, but any business/hospital/charitable organization that holds religious beliefs that are counter to providing these services, to violate those beliefs. Whether you believe in contraception or not isn't the issue. The issue is; can the federal gov't force a business/charity/hospital to provide a service/product that is against a core belief. FYI, most Americans are on the side of a religious exemption.

To avoid this, Catholic organizations would need to employ and serve Catholics only....another deeply held religious belief that employment is available to all and service is to all.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;934824]Hold on here. It is no secret to anyone who seeks employment with a Catholic owned business, charity, hospital, etc. that you won't get contraception, abortion drugs or sterilization in a health plan. [B]YOU[/B] don't like it, don't work there. The business in the lawsuit is a private business and doesn't get any tax breaks from the fed.

.[/quote]

On this I will agree with SS. My wife teachs at a Catholic school.

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The first non-Catholic owned business joins the fight against the Obama Admin's assault on religious freedom....despite boycott threats from those who are so tolerant of others beliefs.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/20/growing-boycott-against-retail-chain-hobby-lobby-after-lawsuit-against-health/]Hobby shop chain faces backlash for stance against ObamaCare | Fox News[/url]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;942736]The first non-Catholic owned business joins the fight against the Obama Admin's assault on religious freedom....despite boycott threats from those who are so tolerant of others beliefs.

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/20/growing-boycott-against-retail-chain-hobby-lobby-after-lawsuit-against-health/"]Hobby shop chain faces backlash for stance against ObamaCare | Fox News[/URL][/quote]


So you think a" for profit"non religious busness can make the same argument as the Catholic church?

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[quote=Daseal;934694]The second a business tries to roadblock healthcare, I'd start dropping tax breaks/etc. If you're catholic/religious and don't believe in contreception, great. However, you don't have the right to push your views on other people. No one is forcing anyone to use contreception, but they want to make sure it is available to everyone that wants it. That is not stepping on anyones freedom or beliefs. If [B]YOU[/B] don't believe in it, than don't use it -- but don't force [B]YOUR[/B] beliefs on other people.[/quote]

But if you don't believe in it why would you want to pay for it? The person taking the job knows before hand the rules of working for the church.

While on the subject I have received several things from the Feds wanting me to fill out some paper work for this new Obama care. I'm not sure what they are looking for but for some reason I know its going to cost me money or someone their job.

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[quote=Giantone;942819]So you think a" for profit"non religious busness can make the same argument as the Catholic church?[/quote]We'll see. The Catholic for-profit business won in Colorado so far.

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[quote=firstdown;942823]But if you don't believe in it why would you want to pay for it? The person taking the job knows before hand the rules of working for the church.

While on the subject I have received several things from the Feds wanting me to fill out some paper work for this new Obama care. I'm not sure what they are looking for but for some reason I know its going to cost me money or someone their job.[/quote]you need to stop posting in the politcs section here, someone ratted you out to the ObamaCare police. I'll bet Microsoft and GE didn't get that paperwork. :silly:

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The Obama Care thread was closed so I'm posting this here. So I get a letter today from my Health Ins. provider saying they are going to cancel our policy because we did not fill out a form required by Obama Care. I had kept a copy of the form so I faxed it to them. What gets me is that they would actaully cancel my health ins for not fullfilling requirments for Obama Care. How the F&^K does that make sense? Isn't the goal to get people insured?