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So Haslett was the DC last year. He is still under contract. There has been no rumors or talk about letting him go. Seems to me there is no reason to "announce" a DC. We already have one.

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I do love how the coaching staff is shaping up so far. Thought Morris was looking to depart, is there any truth to that?

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I remember when Kirk was here before hearing a lot of good things about him, that he was an up and coming coach and such. He's coached almost every defensive position. Very good addition.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1055751]I do love how the coaching staff is shaping up so far. Thought Morris was looking to depart, is there any truth to that?[/quote]

I think they'll probably hold onto Morris as DB coach. I'm not sure if anyone cleared up whether or not Haslett was FOR SURE going to be the defensive coordinator again.

It was a few days ago, but they were talking about how Haslett would be bumped up to assistant head coach and Morris would take over as DC. But I think those rumors have been put to bed.

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Having Kirk O back is a big deal. He will get the 3-4 looking respectable.

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Kirk O is a fine hire. I'm looking forward to see what he can do help improve the D.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1054862]I'd really like to know which man made that call. I suppose it's possible that Haslett is not quite as bad as Shanny has made him look at times.

But even if Shanny was the source of some egregious defensive play calls, I still think we should hire a DC who is better than Haslett.[/quote]Personally, I think results matter regardless of the playcall. I preferred blitzing in that situation anyways. It's only a bad call if it doesn't work. Under Haslett, neither the "all-out blitz on 4th" or the "prevent D inside our own 10" have worked well.

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WR coach is the position I am most interested in because Jay will need production from the WR's in order to succeed.

Possible Targets

Ike Hilliard- Worked with Jay and Hass before in the UFL. Former Redskins coach as well.

Richard Mann- coached the WR on Jon Gruden's Superbowl Bucc's team current WR coach in Pittsburgh

Mike Miller- Coached as the Cardinals WR coach in 2007-2008 had three 1000+ yard receivers in that year. He is now an Offensive Coordinator in Canadian football league.

Erik Campbell- WR coach who gained fame at Michigan, Campbell coached wide receivers and punt returners. He was also the team's assistant head coach from 2003 to 2007. He set an NCAA record by coaching a 1,000-yard receiver for eight consecutive years from 1998 to 2005.

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Well with McVay getting bumped up to OC, we have a TE coach space to fill.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowboys/post/_/id/4723328/wes-phillips-interviewing-with-redskins]Wes Phillips interviewing with Washington Redskins - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1055813]Well with McVay getting bumped up to OC, we have a TE coach space to fill.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowboys/post/_/id/4723328/wes-phillips-interviewing-with-redskins]Wes Phillips interviewing with Washington Redskins - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Nobody can say that our coaching candidates don't have good bloodlines.

We're building a Son-of-a-Son-of-a-Coach Coaching Staff.

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His dad wants a job and isn't getting interest. Why? He seems like he would be a good fit here.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/16/wade-phillips-wants-a-job-thinks-age-is-working-against-him/]Wade Phillips wants a job, thinks age is working against him | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1055844]His dad wants a job and isn't getting interest. Why? He seems like he would be a good fit here.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/16/wade-phillips-wants-a-job-thinks-age-is-working-against-him/]Wade Phillips wants a job, thinks age is working against him | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I would love to have WP with us. He is limited as a HC but excellent as a coordinator. But it appears that will not happen.

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I have very little to judge Gruden on.

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Mike Jones ‏@MikeJonesWaPo 23m
#Redskins announce the hiring of Kirk Olivadotti. Also announce what we knew: Raheem Morris DBs coach, Jacob Burney DL coach.

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so was morris the secondary or DB coach last year?
are we going to have a secondary this year or will we have a safeties coach?

our secondary sucked ball sacks last year. i hope its more lack of talent than coaching but ... damn we were bad in the secondary, especially the first half of the season.

oh well, im hoping it all comes together.

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[quote=Mattyk;1055864]Mike Jones ‏@MikeJonesWaPo 23m
#Redskins announce the hiring of Kirk Olivadotti. Also announce what we knew: Raheem Morris DBs coach, Jacob Burney DL coach.[/quote]

mutherf*cker

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1055844]His dad wants a job and isn't getting interest. Why? He seems like he would be a good fit here.

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/16/wade-phillips-wants-a-job-thinks-age-is-working-against-him/"]Wade Phillips wants a job, thinks age is working against him | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]

Yeah I don't understand this. He is tremendous at implementing a 3-4. When Houston picked him up they transitioned into a dominant 3-4 D extremely quickly. JJ Watt sure had a lot to do with that, but still.

I still maintain that Haslett is a good defensive coordinator if you give him some talent to work with. But Phillips is on another level.

I hate when relationships get in the way of making the best decision.

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Horton is still the best DC available

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1055844]His dad wants a job and isn't getting interest. Why? He seems like he would be a good fit here.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/16/wade-phillips-wants-a-job-thinks-age-is-working-against-him/]Wade Phillips wants a job, thinks age is working against him | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I think he's probably referring to a HC position. If so, his dad sucks as a HC. If he's talking about just any job, I agree with him. Wade Phillips is one of the best in the business as a DC.

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I still haven't voted. I'm still unsold ANY hiring that includes keeping Jim Haslett around. Horrible Horrible move. Jay I like. Jim needs to be demoted to LB coach.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1055875]I think he's probably referring to a HC position. If so, his dad sucks as a HC. If he's talking about just any job, I agree with him. Wade Phillips is one of the best in the business as a DC.[/quote]

From the article:
[quote]Phillips wrote on Twitter that he is “Disappointed” he hasn’t received so much as an opportunity to interview for a [B]defensive coordinator position[/B]. Phillips noted that he has a wealth of experience in the NFL, and the last five times he was hired as a defensive coordinator, the team that hired him made the playoffs in his first year on the job.(emphasis mine)[/quote]

I don't really understand it either, given that Monte Kiffen at 73 is still the DC of the Cowboys, it doesn't seem like age should be a factor.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1055819]Nobody can say that our coaching candidates don't have good bloodlines.

We're building a Son-of-a-Son-of-a-Coach Coaching Staff.[/quote]


I thought you just got rid of one .

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Wade Phillips is a proven guy, been around a real long time. I'd probably say he's an upgrade over Haslett. But he's not going to be coming here. People hire who their comfortable with.

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[quote=over the mountain;1055867][B]so was morris the secondary or DB coach last year?[/B]
are we going to have a secondary this year or will we have a safeties coach?

our secondary sucked ball sacks last year. i hope its more lack of talent than coaching but ... damn we were bad in the secondary, especially the first half of the season.

oh well, im hoping it all comes together.[/quote]

Morris was the secondary coach last year.

Only the Pats, Texans, Colts, Giants, Packers, Falcons, Bucs and Cards have separate coaches; one for cornerbacks and one for safeties.

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[quote=Giantone;1055881]I thought you just got rid of one .[/quote]

it wasn't about the bloodline with Kyle . . . it was the fact that daddy was the head coach at the same time . . .

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1055844]His dad wants a job and isn't getting interest. Why? He seems like he would be a good fit here.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/16/wade-phillips-wants-a-job-thinks-age-is-working-against-him/]Wade Phillips wants a job, thinks age is working against him | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Wade is a beast at the DC position and he would be a dream if he landed here

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A good friend and reliable source said that haslett has a 50 percent chance of being retained. They want to keep him, but public disdain for Haslett has them rethinking the decision. Kind of like when they wanted to hire Jim Fassel.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;1055904]A good friend and reliable source said that haslett has a 50 percent chance of being retained. [B]They want to keep him, but public disdain for Haslett has them rethinking the decision. [/B]Kind of like when they wanted to hire Jim Fassel.[/quote]

Public opinion should have nothing to do with it. Having the best guy for the job should be the sole criterion.

The fact that IMO Haslett is not the best man for the job should be irrelevant.

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[quote=Lotus;1055905]Public opinion should have nothing to do with it. Having the best guy for the job should be the sole criterion.

The fact that IMO Haslett is not the best man for the job should be irrelevant.[/quote]

Well if that were the case Haslett would have been sent packing

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[quote=T.O.Killa;1055904]A good friend and reliable source said that haslett has a 50 percent chance of being retained. They want to keep him, but public disdain for Haslett has them rethinking the decision. [B]Kind of like when they wanted to hire Jim Fassel.[/B][/quote]

And I never understood that. A guy who led the Giants to a Super Bowl, a 2 time winner of the NFC East -- and people thought he was complete garbage.

It's absolutely stunning that he never got a second chance somewhere.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1054226]That irks me, a lot.[/quote]

Me too! I hate Jim Useless! Overall hire is only mediocre and is downgraded further because of this move. I see no SB championships in Grudens resume.

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Yeah, I can sense that they're holding off on a Haslett announcement because they know that it will be unpopular if he is retained as DC.

On the other hand, the favorite word of the media to describe the Redskins organization has been "dysfunctional". Contrary to that label, Bruce Allen and Jay Gruden are putting together an organization filled with people who have worked well together in the past. One of those people is Jim Haslett. Haslett has also been a mentor to Jay Gruden.

I say if JG wants JH on his coaching staff, so be it. Let Jay have the people he is most comfortable working with. From that point forward it is up to Jay to either make it work or to make any necessary changes.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;1055909]Well if that were the case Haslett would have been sent packing[/quote]

I agree. And I wasn't picking on you with my comments.

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Hi Jay!
Welcome to the Redskins!
I think you are a great coach.
I like what you are doing so far.
If you were the airline pilot for my first airplane ride my advice to you would be:
DONT F*CK UP THE LANDING!!!

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If Jim Haslett is retained as DC, what are we being asked to believe? That the historically bad defense he led somehow wasn't his fault?

If it wasn't his fault, I'd like to know why they think it wasn't his fault.

Was he prevented by Shanahan from doing what he wanted to do?

Or did he have bad position coaches?

Or did he have bad players?

Or was it a combination of the above with some injuries thrown in to the mix?

Now, the Redskins have announced that two of Haslett's position coaches have been retained, Including Raheem Morris who was the coach of the worst unit on that historically bad defense. And, to my knowledge, the Redskins haven't interviewed any candidates for the DC position, so I suppose Haslett will be retained unless Dan Snyder absolutely forbids it.

If Haslett is retained, it would be nice if the Redskins brain trust would tell us why they think the Redskins defense will be better in 2014 under the same leadership that produced an unmitigated disaster of a defense in 2013. That should be interesting.

The unresolved status of Jim Haslett is why I couldn't bring myself to whole-heartedly endorse the hiring of Jay Gruden. Getting the "old gang" back together might mean something to Bruce Allen and Jay Gruden but, as a fan, it means nothing to me. I just want the Redskins to win and I have good reason to be skeptical about Haslett being capable of helping us win.

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Very interesting, whoever becomes DC has all his position coaches in place. Would be a bit odd to bring someone from the outside in.

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Some things we know about Haslett: he wasn't allowed to hire his own defensive staff prior to now, he was sometimes overruled by Shanahan on play calling, we haven't had a lot to work with recently especially in the secondary, he's probably not the greatest DC in the world but he's far from the worst.

Can the D improve under Haslett going forward by having better assistants around, better chemistry amongst the staff, and most of all by upgrading the talent? I think so.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1055937]If Jim Haslett is retained as DC, what are we being asked to believe? That the historically bad defense he led somehow wasn't his fault?

If it wasn't his fault, I'd like to know why they think it wasn't his fault.

Was he prevented by Shanahan from doing what he wanted to do?

Or did he have bad position coaches?

Or did he have bad players?

Or was it a combination of the above with some injuries thrown in to the mix?

Now, the Redskins have announced that two of Haslett's position coaches have been retained, Including Raheem Morris who was the coach of the worst unit on that historically bad defense. And, to my knowledge, the Redskins haven't interviewed any candidates for the DC position, so I suppose Haslett will be retained unless Dan Snyder absolutely forbids it.

If Haslett is retained, it would be nice if the Redskins brain trust would tell us why they think the Redskins defense will be better in 2014 under the same leadership that produced an unmitigated disaster of a defense in 2013. That should be interesting.

The unresolved status of Jim Haslett is why I couldn't bring myself to whole-heartedly endorse the hiring or Jay Gruden. Getting the "old gang" back together might mean something to Bruce Allen and Jay Gruden but, as a fan, it means nothing to me. I just want the Redskins to win and I have good reason to be skeptical about Haslett being capable of helping us win.[/quote]

I kinda feel where you're coming from. I wish they would've canned Haslett but it doesn't look like they're going to do so, but I've always liked Raheem Morris so I'm kinda glad they held onto him.

I feel like we were so bad at defense last year due to a mix of bad coaching (defensively), bad players and possibly Shanny being Shanny.

The secondary was a mess, Josh Wilson may as well have been a legless midget and we didn't have a true nickleback. EJ Biggers? Really? Couldn't do better than that huh? Then for some reason towards the end of the season it seemed like Amerson wasn't even playing. Since it seemed like it was always Hall and Wilson and you can't tell me Amerson couldn't beat out Wilson for #2, Wilson couldn't beat a moose out of the #2 position. Why not bump Amerson up, Shanny?

Really, I'd prefer Wade Phillips over Haz but... Looks like we're in it for another year.

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Is it official we are staying 3-4?

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[quote=Chico23231;1055941]Is it official we are staying 3-4?[/quote]


I mean, Jay definitely said as much in his first press conference, but official? I mean it's not like you have to declare your base defense, it could change based on personnel and what not. But yeah, looks like thats what they are doing.