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ROFL. This was almost as good as the BushJr blunders. Wow, this guy is something else. *grabs popcorn*


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I particulary loved the part at the beginning where this reporter calls him out on lobbyist running his campaign and Mitty gets mad as hell. LOL

:rofl:

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[quote=NC_Skins;931127]ROFL. This was almost as good as the BushJr blunders. Wow, this guy is something else. *grabs popcorn*


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I particulary loved the part at the beginning where this reporter calls him out on lobbyist running his campaign and Mitty gets mad as hell. LOL

:rofl:[/quote]

Funny you go back to 1994 on Romney and you seem to give Obama a pass on his promise on these things just 3 yrs back.

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[quote=NC_Skins;931127]ROFL. This was almost as good as the BushJr blunders. Wow, this guy is something else. *grabs popcorn*


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I particulary loved the part at the beginning where this reporter calls him out on lobbyist running his campaign and Mitty gets mad as hell. LOL

:rofl:[/quote]


It's which side is conservative. Is it the flip side or the flop?

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[quote=firstdown;931135]Funny you go back to 1994 on Romney and you seem to give Obama a pass on his promise on these things just 3 yrs back.[/quote]

Have you seen me supporting Obama? Just because I'm killing Romney doesn't mean I'm voting or support Obama. In fact, you've seen my posts in regards to his faults but you chose to ignore it.


Unlike some of you guys, I plan on following through with my ideology on who to vote for. Many of you (and the rest of the US) are going to vote for one of these two jerkoffs because you don't want the other guy to win. If you would like a picture of my vote come election day, I will present it.

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[quote=firstdown;931080]The reason we laugh at what Obama says is that he thinks Gov. is the answer to everyones problems. He has a pattern of this thinking so when he says those things it just in line whith his thinking that gov. knows best. We know what he said and that statement alone is no big deal but if you look over his history for every problem he has a gov. solution.[/quote]

This is funny, not because you said it but because I've probably heard...mmm..over a hundred Obama speeches and he's said over and over...and over again that he doe not think government is the answer to all of our problems. Happen to catch him online just yesterday and said those exact words. In fact, I'm willing to bet he'll make that point yet again during his big convention speech next month.

I get it though, it's something conservatives have to say to sharpen differences with liberals. But as it's been pointed out, President Obama is the smallest gov't spender since Dwight Eisenhower. Now, that's a fact. So no, Obama's not in love with federal spending and he doesn't think government is the answer to everything.

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[quote=12thMan;931172] But as it's been pointed out, President Obama is the smallest gov't spender since Dwight Eisenhower.[/quote]

Just for clarification, it's the smallest percentage of increased spending since Eisenhower. :) He's a between 1-2% increase spending which is low. The problem is here, that the dummy before him jacked spending through the roof which makes the overall numbers huge. :(

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Fair point and a distinction I didn't bother to make again, because it's been pointed out here before. The simply reality is Obama's not the boogeyman big gov't spender the right makes him out to be. Even if you consider the stimulus, 40% of were tax cuts. So again, it's a big fail when the drag that into the argument.

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[quote=12thMan;931180]Fair point and a distinction I didn't bother to make again, because it's been pointed out here before.[/quote]


Yeah, it's been pointed out many times by you and me, but the same crew keeps claiming the wrong stat in regards to that particular fact. Seems that "lowest percentage of increased spending" is obviously the same as "total overall spending".



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Obama may be the best Republican president in my lifetime.

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So does anyone think Obama will dump Biden and make Hillary his running mate? I think if that happens Obama is a lock to win. Ironically if I could go back to 2008 as far as the Primaries and pick anyone from both parties to be President I probably would have gone with Hillary.

I mean I don't think Obama getting reelected will be anywhere close to the doomsday scenario Republicans will have you believe will take place but at the same time I feel like Romney has more potential to get the economy going again. Also my main beef with Obama is he's basically embraced the whole Occupy Wall Street movement and engaged in some warped form of class warfare, which is disappointing because he started out as a moderate.

Either way I hope Hillary runs in 2016 just so we can have more options should the economy stay stuck in it's current bout of limbo.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;931214]So does anyone think Obama will dump Biden and make Hillary his running mate? I think if that happens Obama is a lock to win which is kind of ironic. [/quote]


He should, but he's not.


[quote=Dirtbag59;931214]I mean I don't think Obama getting reelected will be anywhere close to the doomsday scenario Republicans will have you believe will take place but at the same time I feel like Romney has more potential to get the economy going again. Also my main beef with Obama is he's basically embraced the whole Occupy Wall Street movement and engaged in some warped form of class warfare, which is disappointing because he started out as a moderate. [/quote]


The President has about as much influence on the economy as he does the weather. There are several key factors here. The global economy is one of those factors, and it affects ours just as ours affects theirs. The second factor is Congress. This is by far the most important as they dictate policy. Only THEY can implement a Presidents plan. Now, lets look back and see how the Republicans have stonewalled Obama his entire tenure unless it was somehow benefiting them.Congress has turned into a dog and pony show. Guess what? If Romney gets elected, what do you think the Dem controlled Senate is going to do after 4 years of the Republicans doing it? They are going to absolutely shit on any and all legislation so they can point the finger at him at the end of his term and say "Our candidate is better."

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400 billion of the stimulus was tax cuts...but yeah, Obama has no business regulating wall street or imprisoning all its crooks that fcked this country.

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Unless you abolish the Federal reserve, get back to the gold standard and revoke the legal tender laws nothing that either one of these guys do will prevent an upcoming collapse. Up to 50% of our debt comes due in 2015 and unless the Federal Govt shuts down completely and raises taxes, there is no way in Hades that we are going to forestall hyperinflationary collapse unless we default on the debt. ANd even then things are going to get nasty around the globe. Don't be surprised if we get hit a gain with another spectacualr terror attack, then we hit Iran and maybe see Israel roll tanks into Lebanon again. This is playing out like the crap that happened before the prelude to both world wars.

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[quote=NC_Skins;931217]He should, but he's not.





They are going to absolutely shit on any and all legislation so they can point the finger at him at the end of his term and say "Our candidate is better."[/quote]


....sounds really familiar,almost like it's happen before.:)

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[quote=saden1;931229] Obama has no business regulating wall street or imprisoning all its crooks that fcked this country.[/quote]


huh ?

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[quote=saden1;931229]400 billion of the stimulus was tax cuts...but yeah, Obama has no business regulating wall street or imprisoning all its crooks that fcked this country.[/quote]As long as he throws Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and the CEOs of Fannie/Freddie in first.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/story/2011-12-16/fannie-freddie-execs-fraud/52007522/1]Ex-Fannie, Freddie execs charged with fraud – USATODAY.com[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;931177]Just for clarification, it's the smallest percentage of increased spending since Eisenhower. :) He's a between 1-2% increase spending which is low. The problem is here, that the dummy before him jacked spending through the roof which makes the overall numbers huge. :([/quote][ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9gOk51hoqI"]Star Wars: "Who's the more foolish...the fool or the fool who follows him?" - YouTube[/ame]

So by your logic, Obama is an even bigger dummy than Bush since he still increased spending and did nothing to fix our broken entitlement system...wow, we agree on something political.

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Gotta love this, can't wait for Obama to be re-elected and see more of this type stuff once ObamaCare takes over the healthcare system.

"The gov't is smarter than you and know what's best for you, so do what we say or we'll pass laws making you do what we say."

[url=http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/voters_dislike_bloomberg_drinks_v3BMkspWNXEVG9BrSMg5jI]Mayor Bloomberg's plan to restrict baby formula and reduce size of sugary drinks doesn't sit well with voters - NYPOST.com[/url]

Even in the People's Republic of NY, they don't want the regulations on baby formula (now who's trying to tell women what to do with their bodies and their kids) and sodas.

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^ amazin this is what the media and the NY goverment is focused on. simply amazing.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931271]So by your logic, Obama is an even bigger dummy than Bush since he still increased spending and did nothing to fix our broken entitlement system...wow, we agree on something political.[/quote]

He's not the bigger dummy because he didn't start the wars, but your point about him reducing spending is valid. I've always termed Obama's administration as Bush's third term.

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[quote=NC_Skins;931217]He should, but he's not.





The President has about as much influence on the economy as he does the weather. There are several key factors here. The global economy is one of those factors, and it affects ours just as ours affects theirs. The second factor is Congress. This is by far the most important as they dictate policy. Only THEY can implement a Presidents plan. Now, lets look back and see how the Republicans have stonewalled Obama his entire tenure unless it was somehow benefiting them.Congress has turned into a dog and pony show. Guess what? If Romney gets elected, what do you think the Dem controlled Senate is going to do after 4 years of the Republicans doing it? They are going to absolutely shit on any and all legislation so they can point the finger at him at the end of his term and say "Our candidate is better."[/quote]

When a Rep. is pres. its his fault and when a Dem is pres its everyone but his fault. LMAO If business perceives a pres and anti business either real of perceived then the president hurts the economy. The reason why Obama does not get the backing of congress is because he shit on them early and often in his administration. Bill Clinton, Ronald Regan, Bush Sr, and other president who knew how to lead could find common ground with others and work from there. Obama has had everything handed to him and does not know how to cross the line to get others to work with him. He is just a shitty leader that does not know how to get things done so he just ignores our constitution and does what he wants.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931247]As long as he throws Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and the CEOs of Fannie/Freddie in first.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/story/2011-12-16/fannie-freddie-execs-fraud/52007522/1]Ex-Fannie, Freddie execs charged with fraud – USATODAY.com[/url][/quote]



Any Republicans you want to throw into the mix? Weren't they in charge 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office? Or are prison terms reserved for Democrats? Or perhaps you don't realize this guy is your leader?


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[quote=Giantone;931246]huh ?[/quote]

Obama is a bad man, he hates business and America...as Dirtbag wisely articulated, we got to stop the war on wall street. No Glass Steagall Act, no regulation. No loophole closures, no consumer protections. Time to free the crooks and let freedom reign.

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^^ Seeing the above. I still wonder why some of you continue to bicker about Obama, when the single biggest issue around is something you continue to ignore. I even made a thread on this, and not even one reply. Nothing.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/48688-take-money-run-office-expose-lobbying.html[/url]


Not busy enough to busy to bash the Democratic leader, but too busy to listen to podcast? Your politicians are bought and paid for.

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[quote=saden1;931304]Any Republicans you want to throw into the mix? Weren't they in charge 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office? Or are prison terms reserved for Democrats? Or perhaps you don't realize this guy is your leader?


[yt]MAC2xeT2yOg[/yt][/quote]Your video and point aren't relevant here. Your video talks about lobbyist money, yeah I get that. Lobbyists suck and they influence our system mostly in a negative way. But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby. Obama has taken this a step further by giving hundreds of millions (I think total is over $ 1B) in gov't backed loans to his cronies running green-energy companies with junk-bond ratings that go bankrupt.

You were talking about the Wall St. collapse, the folks most responsible in Congress are the ones I mention, plus Chucky. Bush, McCain, Greenspan and others in the GOP were sounding the alarms but the Dems continually shut down efforts to reign in Freddie/Fannie.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM"]Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown - YouTube[/ame]

Instead of laying blame on the Ds in Congress, Dems/libs always want to put the blame on "Wall St.". Wall St. CEOs & board-members are split fairly even between D & R and they played by the rules set up by the Fed regarding mortgages.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931324]Your video talks about lobbyist money, yeah I get that. Lobbyists suck and they influence our system mostly in a negative way. But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby. [/quote]

No, you don't get it, and it's very evident you don't get it.

Also, your claim that you've got a union/anti-capitalist lobby for every business lobby is a downright falsehood. The numbers prove you wrong.


Lobbying spent by industries
[url=http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=i]Lobbying Spending Database | OpenSecrets[/url]

Lobbying spent by Top Spenders
[url=http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=s]Lobbying Spending Database | OpenSecrets[/url]

Union lobbying doesn't hold a candle to the spending that businesses do.


(watch the video where he interviews a lobbyist)
[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/30/lobbying-dc-lobbyists_n_744878.html]Corporations Have Unlimited Lobbying Power, Lobbyist Says (VIDEO)[/url]

Carrying on with your party's falsehood claims though.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931324]Your video and point aren't relevant here. Your video talks about lobbyist money, yeah I get that. Lobbyists suck and they influence our system mostly in a negative way. But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby. Obama has taken this a step further by giving hundreds of millions (I think total is over $ 1B) in gov't backed loans to his cronies running green-energy companies with junk-bond ratings that go bankrupt.

You were talking about the Wall St. collapse, the folks most responsible in Congress are the ones I mention, plus Chucky. Bush, McCain, Greenspan and others in the GOP were sounding the alarms but the Dems continually shut down efforts to reign in Freddie/Fannie.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM"]Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown - YouTube[/url]

Instead of laying blame on the Ds in Congress, Dems/libs always want to put the blame on "Wall St.". Wall St. CEOs & board-members are split fairly even between D & R and they played by the rules set up by the Fed regarding mortgages.[/quote]


You, a conservative, a republican, don't think the current Republican House passing out checks on the house floor during a vote on subsidizing (giving government cheese) mega tobacco farmers is not relevant in the discussion of criminality and sending people to prison? You need help man.


There is a difference between bad legislation and being on the house floor to buy votes, literally. If you want accountability how can you expect anyone to hold Dems accountable if the other guys are even more crooked?

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Guess he should start listening to Ted Nugent I suppose. :laughing-


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[url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-morello-paul-ryan-is-the-embodiment-of-the-machine-our-music-rages-against-20120816]Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against' | Music News | Rolling Stone[/url]

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[quote=saden1;931338]You, a conservative, a republican, don't think the current Republican House passing out checks on the house floor during a vote on subsidizing (giving government cheese) mega tobacco farmers is not relevant in the discussion of criminality and sending people to prison? You need help man.[/quote]It is relevant in the larger sense, but not relevant to your statement specific to Wall St. and the recent collapse.

Anyone, on either side of the aisle, taking lobbyist money to influence legislation should be investigated and if laws broken prosecuted.

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[quote=NC_Skins;931367]Guess he should start listening to Ted Nugent I suppose. :laughing-


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haha Morello just pwned the crap outta him...

[I]I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "**** the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings![/I]

Something tells me Ryan really doesn't "get" Rage Against the Machine. He might listen, but he's not really hearing it.

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QQxGEQm6Qo&feature=youtu.be]Stephanie Cutter: Medicare Whiteboard - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;931333]No, you don't get it, and it's very evident you don't get it.

Also, your claim that you've got a union/anti-capitalist lobby for every business lobby is a downright falsehood. The numbers prove you wrong.

Union lobbying doesn't hold a candle to the spending that businesses do.
[/quote]You are truly the smartest guy on the board :doh:

While your internert search capabilities to back up your off-base viewpoints are admirable, your ability to not read what you want into someone's posts to counter them is suspect at best.

Here's what I said: But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby.

Perhaps you should not just throw up specific industries that lobby but look at who controls the specific firms within that sector. What you'll find is that the balance is relatively even between contributions to D & R. What I didn't mention (but obviously should have) is PAC contributions and lobbying while different technically still have the same goal....to pay for influence. When you look at PAC numbers under Labor their contributions are significant and overwhelmingly Dem.

I couldn't even find Phillip Morris or what I recognize as a tobacco lobby listed in the Top Spenders. But I did find GE (big Obama supporter) listed #2 in spending, along with the AMA and AARP.

So anyway, as usual, it is you who don't get it.

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And just when you thought this campaign was hitting the bottom, someone starts digging:
[URL="http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/middle-class-guy/2012/aug/16/toure-goes-wild-cycle/"]
Toure accusing Romney of racism[/URL]
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“That really bothered me.” “You notice he said anger twice. He’s really trying to use racial coding and access some really deep stereotypes about the angry black man. This is part of the playbook against Obama, the ‘otherization,’ he’s not like us.”

“I know it’s a heavy thing, I don’t say it lightly, but this is ‘n*****ization,’” “You are not one of us, you are like the scary black man who we’ve been trained to fear.”[/I]

Dude, you're a race card-playing douche. GTFOOH!

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[quote=12thMan;931374][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QQxGEQm6Qo&feature=youtu.be"]Stephanie Cutter: Medicare Whiteboard - YouTube[/URL][/quote]:laughing2

Certainly Obama's Deputy Campaign Manager is shooting straight. LOLOLOL.

This video is complete crap and nothing more than scare tactics targeted at seniors.
- CBO has said the Medicare Trust Fund will be bankrupt by 2020....if nothing's done. Pull $ 716B out of Medicare as Obama wants you'll be looking at 2016 for an insolvent date.
- a vote to support Obama and pull money from Medicare to accelarate ObamaCare is a vote for rationing of health care for seniors.
- The Obama campaign is in usual full-on lie/distortion mode here as the Romney/Ryan plan doesn't make any changes for folks over 55.

Here's some facts from a Congressman who was a doctor:
[url=http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/205361-rep-larry-bucshon-r-ind/]Why ObamaCare is bad medicine for seniors - The Hill's Congress Blog[/url]

From the link: ObamaCare included another provision that could result in a [B][I]European style of rationing of care based on age or severity of health problems.[/I][/B] This 15-member bureaucratic panel appointed by the president, the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), is intended to control future Medicare spending. If Medicare grows beyond its yearly target, then IPAB will make a recommendation of cuts..... cuts to Medicare will be all but guaranteed. With the previously mentioned cuts to Medicare, [I][B]the only real option left is to begin rationing care to seniors by controlling the way physicians practice medicine. There is no reason to have unelected bureaucrats invading the doctor-patient relationship and manipulating medical decisions based on costs.
[/B][/I]
One ironic result of IPAB is the [B][I]strong bipartisan support for its repeal.[/I][/B] Several House Democrats were opposed to the formation of this board. Dr. Phil Roe of Tennessee, a fellow physician, introduced a bill to repeal IPAB, which has received the support of 221 members, including Barney Frank and 14 other Democratic Members of Congress.

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Anyone else a little bothered by this?

[url=http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/16/13319834-political-campaign-ad-spending-tops-500-million?lite]Political campaign ad spending tops $500 million - First Read[/url]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931387]:laughing2

Certainly Obama's Deputy Campaign Manager is shooting straight. LOLOLOL.

This video is complete crap and nothing more than scare tactics targeted at seniors.
- CBO has said the Medicare Trust Fund will be bankrupt by 2020....if nothing's done. Pull $ 716B out of Medicare as Obama wants you'll be looking at 2016 for an insolvent date.
- a vote to support Obama and pull money from Medicare to accelarate ObamaCare is a vote for rationing of health care for seniors.
- The Obama campaign is in usual full-on lie/distortion mode here as the Romney/Ryan plan doesn't make any changes for folks over 55.

Here's some facts from a Congressman who was a doctor:
[url=http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/205361-rep-larry-bucshon-r-ind/]Why ObamaCare is bad medicine for seniors - The Hill's Congress Blog[/url]

From the link: ObamaCare included another provision that could result in a [B][I]European style of rationing of care based on age or severity of health problems.[/I][/B] This 15-member bureaucratic panel appointed by the president, the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), is intended to control future Medicare spending. If Medicare grows beyond its yearly target, then IPAB will make a recommendation of cuts..... cuts to Medicare will be all but guaranteed. With the previously mentioned cuts to Medicare, [I][B]the only real option left is to begin rationing care to seniors by controlling the way physicians practice medicine. There is no reason to have unelected bureaucrats invading the doctor-patient relationship and manipulating medical decisions based on costs.
[/B][/I]
One ironic result of IPAB is the [B][I]strong bipartisan support for its repeal.[/I][/B] Several House Democrats were opposed to the formation of this board. Dr. Phil Roe of Tennessee, a fellow physician, introduced a bill to repeal IPAB, which has received the support of 221 members, including Barney Frank and 14 other Democratic Members of Congress.[/quote]

Simple question. Ideology aside,was there anything factually incorrect in what she said? Yes or no

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931368]It is relevant in the larger sense, but not relevant to your statement specific to Wall St. and the recent collapse.

Anyone, on either side of the aisle, taking lobbyist money to influence legislation should be investigated and if laws broken prosecuted.[/quote]

By your own standards then what laws did Frank brake for you to want him to be put in jail? Perhaps you should consider raising your standards and say no to the "free" lobbyist checks all together? Or would that infringe on their free speech and lose Romney the election?


....trifling in ethics is easy, following through with your convictions, not so much...just ask a Republican politician.

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[quote=Mattyk;931390]Anyone else a little bothered by this?

[url=http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/16/13319834-political-campaign-ad-spending-tops-500-million?lite]Political campaign ad spending tops $500 million - First Read[/url][/quote]


You can only play those ads so much before their ROI significantly diminishes. I am so glad I don't live in heavily contested states.

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[quote=Mattyk;931390]Anyone else a little bothered by this?

[url=http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/16/13319834-political-campaign-ad-spending-tops-500-million?lite]Political campaign ad spending tops $500 million - First Read[/url][/quote]

More than a little.

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[quote=saden1;931399]You can only play those ads so much before their ROI significantly diminishes. I am so glad I don't live in heavily contested states.[/quote]

I agree. I think we're reaching a point where most people are starting to tune out these ads.