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[quote=skinsfaninok;823053]I'm stunned to see so much Hank hate smh[/quote]



Not sure I've seen anything I would consider hate. Normally, I wouldn't be worried if the guy was having a good/great camp, and came into the game and messed up. However, the kid is dropping passes like crazy in camp, and the trend continues in the first pre-season game. It's something to be concerned with regardless of his draft spot.

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No what we are going to do is keep Stallworth on the team and put Niles on the PS. Second week there is an injury and we trade Stallworth for a 3rd rounder. Then Niles is on the squad.

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[quote=VTSkins;823087]Here is a link with a complete list of Redskins players who wore #12.

[url=http://en.allexperts.com/q/Washington-Redskins-298/jersey.htm]Washington Redskins: jersey #, texas a m kingsville, neil ferris[/url].

The answer you're probably looking for is Gus Frerrotte[/quote]

The closest I would've guessed would've been Gibran Hamden. Thanks bro. ;) Also, it was sarcasm, just because we like to bust GusFrerotte's bubble around here for being a Gus fan.

Love your name though. VT all day.

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Honestly I could see Hankerson going to the PS, unless he steps up his play in camp and in pre-games I don't think we have to worried about a team picking him up

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Also not sure if this has already been posted but its a quick good read

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/08/12/11/Redskins-Steelers-instant-analysis/mobile_landing.html?blockID=548362&feedID=9656]Redskins-Steelers: instant analysis[/url]

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Stallworth is a keeper. Austin should be safe on the practice squad whereas Hankerson and Paul will not be. Banks is too valuable as a specialist.

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You guys are reading too much into just 2 weeks into training camp and 1 pre season game. Hank is probably just trying to hard and when you get the drops going it gets into your head. A couple of good practices or a good game and he will be fine.

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Hankerson hasn't had a chance to participate in all the mini camps that usually occur before training camp and is being thrown into the fire. Give the kid a chance, he'll get better. I like Paul as a sleeper.

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[quote=mlmpetert;823096]Honestly I could see Hankerson going to the PS, unless he steps up his play in camp and in pre-games I don't think we have to worried about a team picking him up[/quote]

No chance Hank goes on the PS. They would lose him in 2 seconds. WR's take time...even ones drafted in the top 5 let alone the 2nd or 3rd round. They will use the PS for a later round draft pick that they have a better chance of stashing on there without losing.

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I thought Grossman performed as expected. I've never worried about Rex as a QB when he doesn't have to face pressure or multiple blitz formations coming at him.

No way they put Hankerson on the PS

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Hankerson would get snatched off the PS in no time. I agree, not happening. Gotta give the kid some time.

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[quote=mooby;823095]The closest I would've guessed would've been Gibran Hamden. Thanks bro. ;) Also, it was sarcasm, just because we like to bust GusFrerotte's bubble around here for being a Gus fan.

Love your name though. VT all day.[/quote]


You can never bust my bubble bud. Gus Frerotte forever!!!!!

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[quote=Mattyk;823104]Hankerson would get snatched off the PS in no time. I agree, not happening. Gotta give the kid some time.[/quote]

I watch a ton of college football, and I don't recall drops being an issue for him at all at Miami. I'm hoping it's just nerves. I was really hoping he'd be a contributor for us this season.

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[quote=Mattyk;823104]Hankerson would get snatched off the PS in no time. I agree, not happening. Gotta give the kid some time.[/quote]


I would never get rid of Hankerson just because of a case of first NFL game nerves. Stallworth showed he still was a productive WR. I would hate for an intradivisional rival pick him up and see him burn us at some point in the regular season. We simply picked up too many Wrs,and it will be a shame to lose most of them. I know Donte is older, but if he can continue to really produce I say keep him for the year of his contract. If Hankerson can't improve over the preseason schedule he is most likely going to be dropped anyway, and if he does improve somewhat, I doubt he is going to be picked up off the PS, unless he really shows us some great stuff. As of now, he looks to be a PS player, but that is only after game 1. Plenty of time to improve. He probably was just taking it all in for the first two series he was in.

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You don't stick 3rd round picks on the PS, not one with his potential. Guaranteed someone would gladly pick him up and develop him. It's silly to even be discussing this honestly.

Watch, next week he'll have a good showing and everyone will be drooling again.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;823101]Hankerson hasn't had a chance to participate in all the mini camps that usually occur before training camp and is being thrown into the fire. Give the kid a chance, he'll get better. I like Paul as a sleeper.[/quote]

The problem as I see it is this: In my many years of following the NFL, I have seen that WR's who start off dropping a lot of passes continue to drop a lot of passes, for as long as their careers last.

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[quote=Mattyk;823076]I was saying it mostly in jest. Still, had we looked like dog shit the haters would be out in full force.

There were a lot of positives to take from that game.[/quote]

I thought Rex showed very well last night, his best drive was our first drive. We started at our own one yd. line and he marched the team 80+yds; the drive culminated in a missed FG by Graham, but it did indeed come against the Steelers starters.

I realize it's just preseason, but Grossman did pitch for a 73.1 comp % a first for him under any circumstance.

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[quote=Mattyk;823112]You don't stick 3rd round picks on the PS, not one with his potential. Guaranteed someone would gladly pick him up and develop him. It's silly to even be discussing this honestly.

Watch, next week he'll have a good showing and everyone will be drooling again.[/quote]


Matt,

Don't the coaches go over the players each week and "rank" them in terms of performances? They have to do that when it comes time to make cuts. Hankerson isn't likely to get cut or PSed unless he continues to struggle, for which I doubt he will. Evaluations are game to game. For me, if Stallworth really produces for us, why get rid of him? Nobody is going to trade a pick for him because of his age. I say keep him for the term of his contract and start him. If Hankerson doesn't impress for some reason, nobody is going to steal him away. I just want Wrs that can get the job done. Santana needs all the help he can get. And with Gaffney in the fold, we can have a killer vet Wr corp and have the youngsters improve as understudies.

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[quote=SmootSmack;823103]I thought Grossman performed as expected. I've never worried about Rex as a QB when he doesn't have to face pressure or multiple blitz formations coming at him.

No way they put Hankerson on the PS[/quote]

It's clear that Rex really has a full grasp on this offense. Quick decision making, very good accuracy, and man he was really getting the ball out very quickly. I really don't have anything bad to say about his game last night.

On a side note, the Jabar Gaffney trade I think was a really good one. We got a solid veteran receiver who has rapport with Rex (played together at UF) and is a very polished route runner. We got a guy who had 65 catches last year for a guy who probably wasn't going to make our team. Not bad.

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[quote=GMScud;823116]It's clear that Rex really has a full grasp on this offense. Quick decision making, very good accuracy, and man he was really getting the ball out very quickly. I really don't have anything bad to say about his game last night.

On a side note, the Jabar Gaffney trade I think was a really good one. We got a solid veteran receiver who has rapport with Rex (played together at UF) and is a very polished route runner. We got a guy who had 65 catches last year for a guy who probably wasn't going to make our team. Not bad.[/quote]

Gaffney was a great pickup for us. If Stallworth keeps looking good in preseason I do hope we keep him too. Austin looked sharp as well. It is going to be hard for the coaches to make decisions about our Wrs. They probably could shop around Donte, but I am not sure if we would get a mid round pick for him.

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[quote=GMScud;823116]It's clear that Rex really has a full grasp on this offense. Quick decision making, very good accuracy, and man he was really getting the ball out very quickly. I really don't have anything bad to say about his game last night.

On a side note, the Jabar Gaffney trade I think was a really good one. We got a solid veteran receiver who has rapport with Rex (played together at UF) and is a very polished route runner. [B]We got a guy who had 65 catches last year for a guy who probably wasn't going to make our team. Not bad[/B].[/quote]

On a complete side note - I really hope Jarmon makes it in Denver. Guy was a quality person and, I think, had the talent to stick & start had he been in the right situation.

That being said - Gaffney & Hightower, right now, look like two seriously solid trades.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;823118]On a complete side note - I really hope Jarmon makes it in Denver. Guy was a quality person and, I think, had the talent to stick & start had he been in the right situation.

[B]That being said - Gaffney & Hightower, right now, look like two seriously solid trades[/B].[/quote]

For sure. If they stay healthy they will both contribute significantly, and for a grand total of a conditional late round pick and a guy who was getting cut anyway.

Hightower looked phenomenal last night running, catching, and in pass pro. By far the offseason move I'm most excited about.

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I know this was a preseason game. I was so happy to not see false starts, fumbles, miss assignments, etc. Everyone was on the same page. I hope they continue this into the next preseason game and beyond. I was pleasantly surprised. HTTR!

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Good for Rex glad to see him play good. I do not know how the season will turn out but it was nice to see the Skins play with enthuthiasm. Hankerson will be a great one give him a chance.

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[quote=jrsz24;823120]I know this was a preseason game. [B]I was so happy to not see false starts, fumbles, miss assignments, etc. Everyone was on the same page.[/B] I hope they continue this into the next preseason game and beyond. I was pleasantly surprised. HTTR![/quote]

Completely agree. Again, I know (b/c Tripp said so) that they destroyed Buffalo last year and maybe I am just remembering the end of the season, but it just seemed that, both in the quality of play & in the what the players have been saying, the team was playing more "teamlike".

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Hankerson coming in and playing poorly in the first game could be a very very good thing. The guy seems seems like a self motivator and a guy who not just playing for the cash. Seems like he wants to be great.

Coaching staff has a good opportunity here to get Hankerson to respond. Lets just hold off and wait before screaming for his head.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;823118]On a complete side note - I really hope Jarmon makes it in Denver. Guy was a quality person and, I think, had the talent to stick & start had he been in the right situation.

That being said - Gaffney & Hightower, right now, look like two seriously solid trades.[/quote]McNabb aside, our offensive acquisitions since 2010 have been quite good and measured (outside, perhaps of the quarterbacks). We don't acquire people just to have them. The defense is another story.

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[quote=Chico23231;823124]Hankerson coming in and playing poorly in the first game could be a very very good thing. The guy seems seems like a self motivator and a guy who not just playing for the cash. Seems like he wants to be great.

Coaching staff has a good opportunity here to get Hankerson to respond. Lets just hold off and wait before screaming for his head.[/quote]

He's playing for his kids.
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[quote=Dirtbag59;823132]He's playing for his kids.
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Surprised that he didn't drop them

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[quote=CultBrennan59;823134]Surprised that he didn't drop them[/quote]

:lol: :laughing2

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I dont really care what round someone gets drafted in, if they get out preformed by later round picks that show that they too have potential i rather keep the later rounder. If Hankerson out performs Paul or Austin then he deserves to be on the roster. If theyout perform him then he should head to the practice squad in my opinion. Stallworth looked 10x better then i would have ever thought last night, and hes really not all that old. I guess i just prefer let the best man win.

I remember a bunch of people on this board were in love with DT Dre Moore coming out of Maryland in 2008. He got drafted in the 4th and went to the Bucs practice squad and a few people here (i think even me) said we should snag him off their PS and give him a roster spot. We didnt scalp him from their squad and no other team did either. He had tons of potential but has so far proven why he was drafted later then people thought he would be and ended up as a perennial PS member.

Hopefully Hankerson turns out to be a major steal. But if Paul or Austin turn out to be an even bigger steal thats cool with me too. Unfortunitly this lock out is gonna hurt a lot of players development, especially WR's which seem to take longer to learn the ropes. Just a thought of mine, im sure ill end up being wrong. PLUS its still way to early for me or anyone else to start jumping to conclusions. Hopefully Hank will prove me wrong over the course of the next 3 games

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By all accounts Niles Paul has been having a nice camp, if he shows up in the preseason I can't see him getting cut. Austin looks likes he's really developing into a good player too. You're right, if Hankerson is being outperformed I don't think Shanny is going to keep him.

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[quote=GMScud;823109]I watch a ton of college football, and I don't recall drops being an issue for him at all at Miami. I'm hoping it's just nerves. I was really hoping he'd be a contributor for us this season.[/quote]

That was one of the knocks on him coming out.

[quote][FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-2][COLOR=#000000]Miami Pro day: Wide receiver Leonard Hankerson was characterized as "up and down" while running routes and catching passes. "He's a bit stiff as a route-runner and isn't as fast as he timed at Indy," the scout said. Hankerson, according to the scout, also "dropped a few" passes - a problem the Miami receiver had struggled with throughout his career and the week of practice at the Senior Bowl. Hankerson is currently the fourth rated receiver of the 2011 draft by NFLDraftScout.com. Among the teams the scout said were represented at the workout were the Atlanta Falcons, Arizona Cardinals, Baltimore Ravens, Chicago Bears, Denver Broncos, Green Bay Packers, Houston Texans, Indianapolis Colts, Kansas City Chiefs, Miami Dolphins, New York Giants, New York Jets, New England Patriots, Oakland Raiders, Pittsburgh Steelers, San Diego Chargers, Seattle Seahawks, St. Louis Rams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Tennessee Titans. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70228&draftyear=2011&genpos=WR]Leonard Hankerson | Miami, WR : 2011 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/quote]

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Matty,

If Donte really has an overall great preseason for us, would you cut/trade him if Hankerson happens to stink it up? I think if he continues to have a great preseason we might as well keep him for the season.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;823147]Matty,

If Donte really has an overall great preseason for us, would you cut/trade him if Hankerson happens to stink it up? I think if he continues to have a great preseason we might as well keep him for the season.[/quote]

I don't know about Matty but Dirtbag would cut Donte just because he reminds him of Galloway. Some might think it's my moral compass (see Jerome Mathis signing a few years ago) but ironically the Stallworth off the field thing was a tragic accident. I just don't think he's ever been productive enough to justify cutting a young player and hoping someone doesn't snatch him off the practice squad. Personally right now I want to see

Moss-Armstrong-Gaffney-Hankerson-Austin-Banks

Of course it's looking like Hankerson could easily be replaced with Paul.

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Game replay is on NFLN right now...

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Hankerson will make the roster. He has way too much talent not to even if he does drop some passes. After this season or perhaps the next, that's a whole other story but you have to think that unless he totally bombs and I mean spectacularly, he'll make the roster. Besides, they've kept Malcom Kelly around haven't they?

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[quote=Mattyk;823145]That was one of the knocks on him coming out.[/quote]

Looking at the scouting report, you can tell some of his routes weren't as crisp as others. Even Joey T. commented on that fact and even broke down a play by Stallworth and compared the two routes.


He's not going to the practice squad being a 3rd rounder. No way, no how, so lets just stop that foolish talk right now. He's a lock to be on this squad just as Moss and Gaf are.

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let's just hope Hankerson is not the next Devin Thomas!

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[quote=NC_Skins;823162]Looking at the scouting report, you can tell some of his routes weren't as crisp as others. Even Joey T. commented on that fact and even broke down a play by Stallworth and compared the two routes.


He's not going to the practice squad being a 3rd rounder. No way, no how, so lets just stop that foolish talk right now. He's a lock to be on this squad just as Moss and Gaf are.[/quote]

I guess the real question is - Is Armstrong a lock? I though AA looked good enough last night, picking up where he left off. BUT - Say, in the next 3 weeks, Armstrong barely out performs Hankerson but Paul strongly outperforms Armstrong & Hankerson. Do Paul and Armstrong stay? Paul and Hankerson? Can Hankerson, Austin & Paul all make the team (cutting Armstrong & Stallworth)?

BTW - I know he had a rough game, but Aldrick may yet make a play. I recently read an article (that I can longer find) that he was an exceptional route runner and was getting good separation b/c of his technique. If he gets past the jitters, he might be a solid player for years to come. All the same, I think he is practice squad material this year.