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[quote=mooby;817567]You'd think it would be obvious to us by now that that's how you build a team, but something in the water at Redskins Park had everybody convinced that we are a player or two away from being a consistently winning football team. I think we're changing that mentality this year, although in future years I don't anticipate so many free agent signings.[/quote]

if we had gone 8-8 or 9-7 it'd mean we probably would need this many players, but our roster was worse than awful and paper thin... galloway? for what? 12 games? *sigh*

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[quote=Alvin Walton;817390]McWho?[/quote]

McLovin?

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;817580][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/31/panthers-have-interest-in-carlos-rogers/]Panthers have interest in Carlos Rogers | ProFootballTalk[/url]

IMO he's better of trying to come back here.[/quote]

seriously? kind of hope he stays - we didn't get Nnamdi or DRC so CB corps could be pretty thin if he leaves.

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[quote=That Guy;817598]if we had gone 8-8 or 9-7 it'd mean we probably would need this many players, but our roster was worse than awful and paper thin... galloway? for what? 12 games? *sigh*[/quote]

We definitely did sign a lot of old players last year that had no chance of sticking around for the long term. I think last year Shanny had the mentality that it would take multiple years to rebuild this team in his image and this year would be the year to get most of the bulk of that done, since this year's free agent class was expected to be the youngest and deepest in several years due to how the NFL was set up after the owners opted out of the CBA. Last year was about signing players just to make it through the year. No way guys like Galloway, Holliday, etc. were expected to be here long term. Shanny just didn't want to go into the season with a roster that had very few of his own guys in it. When Vinny/Zorn left they really did leave this team in shambles.

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[quote=mooby;817588]If Cam Newton suprises people this season the Panthers have a good shot at rebounding. Their defense isn't bad, they have a good running game. I think Clausen under center was a big reason why the lost a lot of games last year. If Rogers is looking for a payday and heads to Carolina good luck to him. I'd like to see him back but not on a big money deal.[/quote]

I wanna see him play WR for the Cowboys.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;817601]seriously? kind of hope he stays - we didn't get Nnamdi or DRC so CB corps could be pretty thin if he leaves.[/quote]

I'd rather have Antonio Cromartie, unless he already signed.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;817605]I wanna see him play WR for the Cowboys.[/quote]

But only if they give up a first and a third for him.

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[quote=mooby;817610]But only if they give up a first and a third for him.[/quote]

No, think Ocho. Two firsts....

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[quote=mooby;817610]But only if they give up a first and a third for him.[/quote]

Oh that's a given.

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[quote=SkinzWin;817615]No, think Ocho. Two firsts....[/quote]

But that'd be mocking us. I'd rather mock the Cowboys for the Roy Williams trade that actually happened.

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[quote=mooby;817620]But that'd be mocking us. I'd rather mock the Cowboys for the Roy Williams trade that actually happened.[/quote]

True. Maybe I should have said two fists.

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[quote=SkinzWin;817622]True. Maybe I should have said two fists.[/quote]

Or a wedding ring delivered by mail

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;817624]Or a wedding ring delivered by mail[/quote]

:laughing-

Zing!

Baby, will you marry me? I look forward to getting your response letter back in 3-5 days.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;817601]seriously? kind of hope he stays - we didn't get Nnamdi or DRC so CB corps could be pretty thin if he leaves.[/quote]


I agree, the ONLY thing Rogers does bad is drop INTs. But covers well, tackles well, deflects passes, dude would be a Pro-Bowler if he caught 50% of the balls he dropped. Dropped INTS is the ONLY flaw in his game. We can do a lot worse...

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[quote=REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE;817654]I agree, the ONLY thing Rogers does bad is drop INTs. But covers well, tackles well, deflects passes, dude would be a Pro-Bowler if he caught 50% of the balls he dropped. Dropped INTS is the ONLY flaw in his game. We can do a lot worse...[/quote]

That is a HUGE flaw, and he bites on double moves.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;817608]I'd rather have Antonio Cromartie, unless he already signed.[/quote]

jets are going to get him... most likely, unless he feels disrepected to the point of leaving.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;817666]That is a HUGE flaw, and he bites on double moves.[/quote]

He used to get hit by this often, but he's improved that part of his game over the past couple years. Every CB, to a certain extent, bites on double moves. He's much better than Hall in this respect.

I don't feel like dropping INTs is nearly as big of a flaw as others. Do I wish he'd catch the ball? Absolutely. However, we need someone opposite Hall that requires less babysitting so we can roll more coverage to Hall. Hall is a gambler, which has its advantages and disadvantages.

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[quote=Daseal;817670]He used to get hit by this often, but he's improved that part of his game over the past couple years. Every CB, to a certain extent, bites on double moves. He's much better than Hall in this respect.

I don't feel like dropping INTs is nearly as big of a flaw as others. Do I wish he'd catch the ball? Absolutely. However, we need someone opposite Hall that requires less babysitting so we can roll more coverage to Hall. Hall is a gambler, which has its advantages and disadvantages.[/quote]

I agree completely. We'll see how Josh Wilson does, as I don't know a whole ton about him.. but I do think Carlos is a big hole. Given my chance between Hall & Rogers, I'd normally take Rogers. Hall provides you the big play which our defense really didn't have too much of before he got there, but I think Rogers was a really good corner and will be successful wherever he goes. I think Rogers wrap for dropping INT's in a bit overblown. He's just missed 2-3 in HUGE spots (that playoff game in Seattle could have won that game, and he had another one against Pittsburgh in 2008 when we were still 6-2), so I think that really hurts the overall perception of that.

Either way, he didnt want to be back here either, so I am not going to be upset with the team for not resigning him.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/31/panthers-have-interest-in-carlos-rogers/]Panthers have interest in Carlos Rogers | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[QUOTE=Mattyk;817702][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/31/panthers-have-interest-in-carlos-rogers/]Panthers have interest in Carlos Rogers | ProFootballTalk[/url][/QUOTE]

From a bad situation to a worst one in Carolina. Not sure why Los would do that to himself. Money has to be rout to even consider such a move.

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[quote=hooskins;817703]From a bad situation to a worst one in Carolina. Not sure why Los would do that to himself. Money has to be rout to even consider such a move.[/quote]

Carlos doesn't care about winning. Carlos cares about getting his pockets straight.

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;817608]I'd rather have Antonio Cromartie, unless he already signed.[/QUOTE]

Too late. Signed a 4yr - 32M dollar contract with the Jets.

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I'd rather not have him anyway

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[quote=hooskins;817703]From a bad situation to a worst one in Carolina. [B]Not sure why Los would do that to himself.[/B] Money has to be rout to even consider such a move.[/quote]

because he wants out of this organization, and i don't think carolina is that bad, they are pretty much on the same level as us, for now

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;817705]Carlos doesn't care about winning. Carlos cares about getting his pockets straight.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but he is a damn good cb. The best we have had in a while. Don't want to see him leave.

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Carlos isn't a damn good CB lol who r you watching? He's avg at best which is y the market for him is so small

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;817711]Carlos isn't a damn good CB lol who r you watching? He's avg at best which is y the market for him is so small[/QUOTE]

Just bc he can't int? He's a shutdown cb. You must be a huge dhall fan huh? I don't want to rehash this topic again...

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Wow, some of the praise for Los is getting a little out of hand if you ask me. Decent corner, above average, but [I]shutdown[/I] and [I]damn good[/I] is a little too generous of a description for my taste.

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[quote=hooskins;817714]Just bc he can't int? He's a shutdown cb. You must be a huge dhall fan huh? I don't want to rehash this topic again...[/quote]

If by shutdown you mean his hands then yes, he is a shutdown corner

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[quote=hooskins;817714]Just bc he can't int? He's a shutdown cb. You must be a huge dhall fan huh? I don't want to rehash this topic again...[/quote]

He's not a shutdown CB. Shutdown CBs are when QBs stop throwing your direction. He's a good cover CB, but lets not get carried away. Better than D-Hall imo

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I would like the Skins to try and sign Alan Branch. He is young, won't cost much and could be a penetrating DE or NT.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;817726]I would like the Skins to try and sign Alan Branch. He is young, won't cost much and could be a penetrating DE or NT.[/quote]

already signed with Seattle

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Oooh this is interesting:

"Chris Russell
The #Redskins are closing in on a deal w/ veteran PK Shayne Graham per multiple sources. He is a Radford, VA native & went to VA. Tech."

Anyone know much about Graham? I think he is a pretty good kicker.

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[quote=Ruhskins;817736]Oooh this is interesting:

"Chris Russell
The #Redskins are closing in on a deal w/ veteran PK Shayne Graham per multiple sources. He is a Radford, VA native & went to VA. Tech."

Anyone know much about Graham? I think he is a pretty good kicker.[/quote]

Good competition for Gano.

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[quote=Mattyk;817727]already signed with Seattle[/quote]

Mr. Franklin come on down!

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[quote=Ruhskins;817736]Oooh this is interesting:

"Chris Russell
The #Redskins are closing in on a deal w/ veteran PK Shayne Graham per multiple sources. He is a Radford, VA native & went to VA. Tech."

Anyone know much about Graham? I think he is a pretty good kicker.[/quote]

So this is true then? I heard he signed yesterday, then it was in the works, then it wasn't true, then he did sign, then it was a bogus report, and on and on...I couldn't keep up

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[quote=SmootSmack;817745]So this is true then? I heard he signed yesterday, then it was in the works, then it wasn't true, then he did sign, then it was a bogus report, and on and on...I couldn't keep up[/quote]

If it was the same person that told you all that then I would not use them as a source anymore.

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[quote=SmootSmack;817745]So this is true then? I heard he signed yesterday, then it was in the works, then it wasn't true, then he did sign, then it was a bogus report, and on and on...I couldn't keep up[/quote]

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2556/shayne-graham]Shayne Graham - New England Patriots - 2011 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/url]

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;817737]Good competition for Gano.[/QUOTE]


Shayne Graham would replace Graham Gano.

I wanted the Skins to get him when he was a FA from the Bengals a couple of years ago. Would be an upgrade.

I'm surprised we're giving up on Gano. This would not be a camp-competition signing; Graham is too good for that role to push Gano.

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[quote=Ruhskins;817736]Oooh this is interesting:

"Chris Russell
The #Redskins are closing in on a deal w/ veteran PK Shayne Graham per multiple sources. He is a Radford, VA native & went to VA. Tech."

Anyone know much about Graham? I think he is a pretty good kicker.[/quote]

Loved him at tech, was solid for cincy but like Gano had an issue shanking short one

I think that he could teach Gano a thing or two but he's likely just here for camp..

Or it's a clever viral marketing attempt, Shayne Graham Gano, with our leg power combined, etc