Re: McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)
 

[quote=Audi;683595]Decline or not, Donovan McNabb is the best quarterback the Redskins have had in decades.[/quote]

I was hoping that we would get "the best QB in decades" but have him be young, so we have him for a long time.

That hope squashed, I still take solace that we are better at QB than we've been in decades, as you indicate.

Re: McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)
 

[quote=pg86;683631]We don't even know what the draft target is now though...what can we get for deep sixing J.C.?!?!? Or Colt

But really you don't wanna draft a rookie linemen[/quote]

Samuals was a rookie lineman. If my memory serves me he started right away?

Buges is gone man. That whole, "I don't trust rookie lineman" didn't exactly pan out for us too well. Just ask Campbell, Brunell, and Ramsey. Ask them how that turf tastes in Landover.

Re: McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;683606]Is McNabb the 2004 version, absolutely not.[B] Is he still a top 10 QB, absolutely[/B]. The article mentioned the Eagles are in a youth movement, Kolb is young. McNabb's numbers are strong and he's a major upgrade from Campbell. There is no statistical indication McNabb's peerformance will decline in the near term (2-3 years).[/quote]

#1- I am no fan of JC and have lobbied for us to draft a QB, but statistically JC's numbers are not far off from McNabb's. So you are correct we are not getting the McNabb of 2004, we are getting McNabb of 2009 with the same numbers as JC (minus 2 games) in a better situation then JC. So please don't mention he's statistically better cause he's not. Go look.

Re: McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)
 

I really don't know were i stand with this trade yet but,
1. DM works out in the off season,
2. DM never took painkillers Favre did & if he didn't he probably wouldn't be here now
3. Favre is still playing & DM takes better care of himself.
4. DM is a good roll out QB.
5. DM has the ablility to make his WR's better.

I'm a JC supporter & i'm sad to see him go (more than likely.)

Re: McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)
 

[quote=SBXVII;683639]#1- I am no fan of JC and have lobbied for us to draft a QB, but statistically JC's numbers are not far off from McNabb's.[B] So you are correct we are not getting the McNabb of 2004, we are getting McNabb of 2009 with the same numbers as JC (minus 2 games) in a better situation then JC[/B]. So please don't mention he's statistically better cause he's not. Go look.[/quote]

Thanks SBXVII. That is what bothers me. That and the fact that we're giving up a pick at #37 for an older QB who may not do that much, if any, better than the QB we have. We would have improved with the RB situation, the draft, new coaching and improved line play anyway. Now we're out a young player at #37 and a pick next year for someone I wasn't that impressed with to begin with. Hopefully he plays lights out this year. I'll believe it when I see it.

Re: McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;683637]Samuals was a rookie lineman. If my memory serves me he started right away?

Buges is gone man. That whole, "I don't trust rookie lineman" didn't exactly pan out for us too well. Just ask Campbell, Brunell, and Ramsey. Ask them how that turf tastes in Landover.[/quote]

I don't remember I think we had some guy named Tre Johnson for a year before Samuels got the start.

Re: McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)
 

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/04/theismann_mcnabb_is_the_last_p.html?wprss=dcsportsbog]
D.C. Sports Bog - Theismann: McNabb "the last piece of the puzzle"[/url]
Glad to see him back to his old optimistic self.

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Some guy from CSNPhilly.Com just said he thinks this trade will give McNabb a jump start but the Skins still have alot of holes to fill that can't be filled only by the draft. He also said Philly liked Kolb's quick release and they felt McNabb sometimes held on to the ball too long and didn't get to some of his reads which cost them some games. Just relaying the thoughts of a sportscaster from Philly.

Re: McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)
 

[quote=Lotus;683634]I was hoping that we would get "the best QB in decades" but have him be young, so we have him for a long time.

That hope squashed, I still take solace that we are better at QB than we've been in decades, as you indicate.[/quote]

I agree, but a second rounder and a likely third rounder really isn't too bad of a deal for a proven quarterback. In fact, it almost seems cheap.

3rd for Mark Brunell was pretty bad because he was already well into his decline shown through his poor play and eventual benching in Jacksonville.

I believe we traded a 1st and 2nd and 3rd rounder for Brad Johnson in 1999.

We used a 1st and 3rd and 4th for Jason Campbell.

Matt Cassel cost a 2nd rounder and who knows how good he actually is.

It almost seems like McNabb came at a bargain.

Re: McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;683556]Not really, the article addresses the business issues. The only things about McNabb's performance were the games against Dallas, his completion % (which I already showed was above career avg.), and passing yds (not surprising as McNabb missed two games). If you add 500 yds to his passing yd total for the year he winds up at 10th. Let's look at some other 2009 McNabb stats:

- TD % = 9th
- INT % = 8th
- QB rate = 12th
- Yds / Att = 7th
- Adjusted Net Yds / per ATT = 10th
- Yds / Game = 10th

This whole decline thing is BS, this was a business move and long term strategy move by the Iggles. Not considering McNabb's leadership and mobility which make him more valuable, we're getting a top 10 passing QB for a 2nd rounder and a mid-round pick in 2011. Good deal for the Skins.

I don't care what ridiculous geometric/triangulation/5th-week-of-the- season-away-on-astroturf metrics Football Outsiders or GTripp throws out here. McNabb led his team to the playoffs the last two years and was 11-5 last year. The Eagles lost to New Orleans (SB Champ), Chargers (AFC Championship game), and Dallas (playoff team who Eagles don't match up well against) and the Raiders (????) and were 5th in scoring with McNabb at QB.[/quote]Anyway, I call BS on McNabb as a top ten QB, still, in 2010. Indefensible premise.

Re: McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)
 

CRedskinsrule in Part I said it all for me.

"Now we get to be the NYJ of two years ago with McNabb for 1 year, then he will sit out and go to the Vikings and we get nothing... And lose a pick next year. First move from this new team that I absolutely don't like!"


It's hard to turn 180 overnight and embrace a former rival's QB.

The Front Office seemed to revert to Snyderatto days, and overpaid again for an aging vet. So much for the needed youth movement. We are not a team 1 or 2 players away from winning it all. We are 10-15 players away.

Re: McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)
 

[quote=SBXVII;683639]#1- I am no fan of JC and have lobbied for us to draft a QB, but statistically JC's numbers are not far off from McNabb's. So you are correct we are not getting the McNabb of 2004, we are getting McNabb of 2009 with the same numbers as JC (minus 2 games) in a better situation then JC. So please don't mention he's statistically better cause he's not. Go look.[/quote]You're only looking at the base numbers and not the numbers I've quoted in earlier posts. Statistically, W-L and intangibles McNabb is a MAJOR upgrade over JC.

So if your premise is correct and JC = McNabb (or real close) then MS, KS and Bruce Allen are idiots. That's the logical conclusion unless they're working another trade scenario.

Re: McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;683657]Anyway, I call BS on McNabb as a top ten QB, still, in 2010. Indefensible premise.[/quote]I call BS, on your call of BS :hitfan:

Re: McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)
 

[quote=Audi;683652]I agree, but a second rounder and a likely third rounder really isn't too bad of a deal for a proven quarterback. In fact, it almost seems cheap.

3rd for Mark Brunell was pretty bad because he was already well into his decline shown through his poor play and eventual benching in Jacksonville.

I believe we traded a 1st and 2nd and 3rd rounder for Brad Johnson in 1999.

We used a 1st and 3rd and 4th for Jason Campbell.

Matt Cassel cost a 2nd rounder and who knows how good he actually is.

It almost seems like McNabb came at a bargain.[/quote]

Super analysis my friend. McNabb is indeed a bargain if he takes us to the playoffs this year. I mean, EVERY team in the NFL would trade their 2nd round pick every season for a guaranteed shot at the playoffs. And if McNabb plays near as long as Favre...we just need to go ahead and lock him up with a 5 year deal right now.

Re: McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;683669]You're only looking at the base numbers and not the numbers I've quoted in earlier posts. Statistically, W-L and intangibles McNabb is a MAJOR upgrade over JC.

So if your premise is correct and JC = McNabb (or real close) then MS, KS and Bruce Allen are idiots. That's the logical conclusion unless they're working another trade scenario.[/quote]Well, I mean if you were grading them on this one move, the conclusion would be that they in fact are idiots.

I know it's hard to believe that Shanahan would ever make a mistake, it's not like he's got a history of personnel mistakes, so I guess we will have to wait and see if his gamble pays off.

You call BS on my call of BS?! Well, I'm calling BS on that on the grounds of, huh?