Re: Reasons for drafting Sanchez
 

[quote=Kalisto2010;658149]Really,[B] your[/B] going to play the grammar card?



While your at it, you'll probably want to correct your own errors first before hastily correcting mine. You can start with this sentence. I can play grammar nazi too.[/quote]


Sorry, just being a smarta$$ here; doing nothing more than pointing out irony.

Re: Reasons for drafting Sanchez
 

[quote=dgack;657232]First of all, it's [B]Shaun[/B] Hill. Secondly, I haven't heard a single person on this site who realistically thinks that Campbell is the future of the franchise or a Manning-esque player who is going to lead the team to greatness. How many times does it need to be said? The guy is serviceable and games *and yes, even championships* can be won with a guy like that in there [B]if you get your priorities straight[/B] in all the other areas.

I love when guys come out of the woodwork to create these straw man JC boosters who don't exist. Most of us who aren't calling for the guy's head on a pike merely think he's tough, mobile, has good character, and is accurate [B]enough[/B] to get the job done playing Redskins football. That is, if we get back to what that means and get a decent O-Line and running game going again.

But hey, don't let that get in the way of an opportunity to drop an advance "told you so" in here.[/quote]

Shawn Hill blows and so does Alex Smith. I'll take JC over those guys any day of the week.

Re: Reasons for drafting Sanchez
 

[quote=skinsfan69;658199]Sanchez really played pretty damn well yesterday. He didn't look like a rookie. For a guy that's only played one year of college and pro he's well on his way....granted the coaches don't mess with him and change offenses every year.[/quote]Sanchez was really efficient throughout the playoffs. I think the biggest change was that he became soooo marginalized in the offense at the end of the season that by the time the playoffs came around, he wasn't even a factor in the opponents gameplan. And Schottenheimer only went with a few passing plays where Sanchez was able to deliver the ball with timing and accuracy. He could have had some really head-turning playoff numbers if Braylon would have helped him out more than just once.

Of course, the credit to schotty comes with an asterix: there's no reason the Jets couldn't have been this sort of offensive team the entire year. After the fast start, they let Sanchez out there on his own and he cost them a bunch of games and developed some really awful habits that he still struggled with in the postseason. Even the bomb to Edwards yesterday for the 80 yard TD was thrown falling away from pressure, not looking and off his back foot. I mean, the throw was perfect, but he's not going to be able to get away with that the rest of his career.

Still, Jets fans have to be encouraged. It was Ryan's defense that let them down yesterday.

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[quote=GTripp0012;658204]Sanchez was really efficient throughout the playoffs. I think the biggest change was that he became soooo marginalized in the offense at the end of the season that by the time the playoffs came around, he wasn't even a factor in the opponents gameplan. And Schottenheimer only went with a few passing plays where Sanchez was able to deliver the ball with timing and accuracy. He could have had some really head-turning playoff numbers if Braylon would have helped him out more than just once.

Of course, the credit to schotty comes with an asterix: there's no reason the Jets couldn't have been this sort of offensive team the entire year. After the fast start, they let Sanchez out there on his own and he cost them a bunch of games and developed some really awful habits that he still struggled with in the postseason.[B] Even the bomb to Edwards yesterday for the 80 yard TD was thrown falling away from pressure, not looking and off his back foot.[/B] I mean, the throw was perfect, but he's not going to be able to get away with that the rest of his career.

Still, Jets fans have to be encouraged. It was Ryan's defense that let them down yesterday.[/quote]

He's a rookie who only played one year of college. He was going to make mistakes and the Jets coaches knew that. But the long TD to Edwards was sweet. He had Dwight Freeney bearing down on him. Sometimes guys don't have time to set their feet and throw. That was all Sanzhez there....real nice play.

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[quote=skinsfan69;658212]He's a rookie who only played one year of college. He was going to make mistakes and the Jets coaches knew that. But the long TD to Edwards was sweet. He had Dwight Freeney bearing down on him. Sometimes guys don't have time to set their feet and throw. That was all Sanzhez there....real nice play.[/quote]Definitely not suggesting he should have eaten the ball because the protection broke down. Sanchez has a problem though throwing to his left where he hardly ever steps into the throw. There, it may have just been self-preservation, but overall, it seems like a symptom of a greater issue.

Edwards has always been a fantastic route runner, but he has the hands of a left tackle.

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[quote=Buster;658152]That's just idiotic. Sanchez had little if no effect on the Jets' success this season, they're starting 4 first-round picks on the O-line, had the #1 defense in the NFL and one of the best running games also.

All Sanchez had to do was hand off the ball without dropping it.[/quote]

Sanchez is doing what Big Ben was asked to do his first year in the league. What Matty Ice and Flacco did last year. However, in the post-season he showed fantastic leadership skills and a passion for the game. He stood tall and gave the Jets fan base legitimate reason to look forward to him as future of their franchise. JC has been here for 3 and a half seasons as a starter (Brunell started the first 24 games of JC's career) and has never made us feel as secure as Jets fans must feel about Sanchez.

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Too early to give Sanchez a grade or make any predictions on him in terms of his career. Guy started off nicely, then came back down to earth and looked like a rookie then had a streak good enough to get them into the playoffs. Thing is when Indy put the pedal to the metal and shut down the run, they forced Sanchez to win it with his arm and he didn't get the job done. Sanchez might develop into a franchise QB, but it is way too early to make that kind of prediction.

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[quote=Son Of Man;658220]Sanchez is doing what Big Ben was asked to do his first year in the league. What Matty Ice and Flacco did last year. However, in the post-season he showed fantastic leadership skills and a passion for the game. He stood tall and gave the Jets fan base legitimate reason to look forward to him as future of their franchise. JC has been here for 3 and a half seasons as a starter (Brunell started the first 24 games of JC's career) and has never made us feel as secure as Jets fans must feel about Sanchez.[/quote]

You can bring just about any QB to the terrible set up we had here in Washington, and they will all most likely fail. While not taking much away from Sanchez' potential abilities, you fail to acknowledge the good tools that the Jets put around him and the good situation they put him him. By the time Sanchez got there, the Jets had built a Pro Bowl offensive line, a great running game, and an elite defense. The Jets even went out and got him a big WR target in Edwards.

You can continue to lust after QBs that have "fantastic leadership skills and passion for the game" but that won't mean squat if they continue to hit the ground because of a terrible offensive line (among many problems that a terrible offensive line brings). Over the course of these playoffs, you saw two great QBs with a lot of this leadership and passion that you speak of, and they got hit in the mouth and were sent packing home the minute their line was not able to protect them. A line that that does that constantly during the regular season will result in a 4-12 record.

Jets fans should feel secure as Sanchez as their starter and should look forward to him as the future of their franchise. And that's because Sanchez feels secure about his offensive line, his running game, and his team's ownership commitment to him as the starting QB.

Re: Reasons for drafting Sanchez
 

[quote=Kalisto2010;658149]Really, your going to play the grammar card?[/quote]

I'm assuming the misuse of "your" was intentional. If not, /facepalm.

Pointing out that you misspelled Shaun Hill's name isn't playing the grammar card, it's correcting a dude's name.

If you're going to start off an argument by telling us that you're extremely familiar with the team that you're local to, which you believe has a very similar QB situation to our own, you *might* want to get the players' names right. Just saying.

[quote=Kalisto2010;658149]While your at it, you'll probably want to correct your own errors first before hastily correcting mine. You can start with this sentence.[/quote]

I don't need to start with that sentence. It reads as intended. If you're not capable of comprehending it, that's not really my concern.

[quote=Kalisto2010;658149]I can play grammar nazi too.[/quote]

You can play middle linebacker, for all I care. That doesn't mean you're any good at it.

Re: Reasons for drafting Sanchez
 

[quote=Ruhskins;658272]You can bring just about any QB to the terrible set up we had here in Washington, and they will all most likely fail. While not taking much away from Sanchez' potential abilities, you fail to acknowledge the good tools that the Jets put around him and the good situation they put him him. By the time Sanchez got there, the Jets had built a Pro Bowl offensive line, a great running game, and an elite defense. The Jets even went out and got him a big WR target in Edwards.

You can continue to lust after QBs that have "fantastic leadership skills and passion for the game" but that won't mean squat if they continue to hit the ground because of a terrible offensive line (among many problems that a terrible offensive line brings). Over the course of these playoffs, you saw two great QBs with a lot of this leadership and passion that you speak of, and they got hit in the mouth and were sent packing home the minute their line was not able to protect them. A line that that does that constantly during the regular season will result in a 4-12 record.

Jets fans should feel secure as Sanchez as their starter and should look forward to him as the future of their franchise. And that's because Sanchez feels secure about his offensive line, his running game, and his team's ownership commitment to him as the starting QB.[/quote]

Exactly. Sanchez was the beneficiary of the #1 defense (in several categories actually), #1 rushing attack, and was also playing behind the best O-line in football. I can't think of any better way to protect a rookie QB.

Even when they were winning, an average Sanchez stat line was something like 10-19, 143 yards, 1TD, 2INTs. I mean, his QB rating for the season was 63. That's lower than Brady Quinn. Plus he turned it over 23 times. Sure, he's shown a flash here and there. Oh, and he's a rah rah guy. So what. At this point whether or not he'll be a good NFL QB is still very much up in the air. He looks every bit like a QB who only started about a dozen college games before going pro.

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Ruhskins and GMScud got it right. Sanchez came into a good situation for a rookie quarterback. The Jets had a great defense, a great running game and a good offensive line. Not to mention that the Jets went further and got him a big play receiver, mid year. Shanahan needs to build this team from the foundation up. This offense will continue to be dysfunctional until the the foundation, the offensive line is built. The draft will tell us where Shanahan is headed. A good majority of his picks should be to beef up the offensive line. If not, it doesn't matter who is quarterback or running back, this team is destined for failure.

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[quote=skinsfan69;658212]He's a rookie who only played one year of college. He was going to make mistakes and the Jets coaches knew that. [b]But the long TD to Edwards was sweet.[/b] He had Dwight Freeney bearing down on him. Sometimes guys don't have time to set their feet and throw. [b]That was all Sanzhez there[/b]....real nice play.[/quote]

Actually, that was mainly edwards there who totally left the CB holding his jock strap. All Sanchez had to do was get it close to Edwards...and he did with the lob. That TD was all about Edwards, not Sanchez. If you are saying it's all about Sanchez cause of the hit he took, well, he's an NFL qb, if he flinches before he gets hit, he will be on the unemployment line.

Sanchez had (overall) a very poor statistical season. If it wasn't for the Jets amazing defense (who saw that coming?) and the great running game, Sanchez would have been benched at some point. The Jets succeeded despite Sanchez sucking. 53.8% comp is unacceptable. In 15 games, he threw for an average of 162.9 yards (2444 overall). Only 12 tds to 20 ints (second only to cutler), and had 10 fumbles. Those are horrible numbers. He definitely performed better in the postseason, and hopefully for the jets sake, his postseason performances is what they are looking for. But it wasn't like he was spectacular. Here are his stats:
vs bengals, 12-15 80%, 182 yrds, 1-0
vs chargers, 12-23 52.2%, 100 yrds, 1-1
vs colts, 17-30 56.7%, 257 yrds, 2-1
If I had to rank his performances, vs the bengals i'd give him an INC since he wasn't needed at all with only 15 attempts. Vs chargers "F". Vs Colts, "C+/ B-" So it's not like these figures showed he was coming into his own. Not that you can, or should do this, but take away that 80 yard TD to Edwards (that was ALL edwards burning the CB) and he goes 16-29 55.2%, 177 yds, and 1-1. That would put him more around a "D+/C-".
For all of you who think that Sanchez showed good skills, and is a great QB star prospect...think again. Think of how inflated numbers can look when you have an GREAT running game, and the #1 defense in the league. We all know I dislike Campbell, but if Campbell was on the Jets, he would have throw for much better stats. Sanchez was sacked only 26 times, while Campbell was sacked 43 times.
If I had a choice between Campbell or Sanchez, i'd take Campbell. (please know I would want NEITHER of them, just making a point)

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[quote=Ruhskins;658272]You can bring just about any QB to the terrible set up we had here in Washington, and they will all most likely fail. While not taking much away from Sanchez' potential abilities, you fail to acknowledge the good tools that the Jets put around him and the good situation they put him him. By the time Sanchez got there, the Jets had built a Pro Bowl offensive line, a great running game, and an elite defense. The Jets even went out and got him a big WR target in Edwards.

You can continue to lust after QBs that have "fantastic leadership skills and passion for the game" but that won't mean squat if they continue to hit the ground because of a terrible offensive line (among many problems that a terrible offensive line brings). Over the course of these playoffs, you saw two great QBs with a lot of this leadership and passion that you speak of, and they got hit in the mouth and were sent packing home the minute their line was not able to protect them. A line that that does that constantly during the regular season will result in a 4-12 record.

Jets fans should feel secure as Sanchez as their starter and should look forward to him as the future of their franchise. And that's because Sanchez feels secure about his offensive line, his running game, and his team's ownership commitment to him as the starting QB.[/quote]

What has JC done to ever instill confidence in the B&G fanbase? Even when we had a solid line, running game and defense (2007 season which was his first as a full-time starter), did he exude leadership quality? Sanchez does.

BTW- Ben Rothelisberger played behind a terrible line, so did Aaron Rogers (who was drafted the same year as JC). Why is their play seen as better by virtually ever expert in the NFL and TV? Why is it Denver and Chicage wanted no parts of him in a proposed trade?

JC is a nice guy and appears to be a good person, however, he has not shown the ability to b a franchise QB after 3 1/2 seasons.....period.

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[quote=Son Of Man;658379][B]What has JC done to ever instill confidence in the B&G fanbase?[/B] Even when we had a solid line, running game and defense (2007 season which was his first as a full-time starter), did he exude leadership quality? Sanchez does.

BTW- Ben Rothelisberger played behind a terrible line, so did Aaron Rogers (who was drafted the same year as JC). Why is their play seen as better by virtually ever expert in the NFL and TV? Why is it Denver and Chicage wanted no parts of him in a proposed trade?

JC is a nice guy and appears to be a good person, however, he has not shown the ability to b a franchise QB after 3 1/2 seasons.....period.[/quote]Do we disqualify him being our best offensive player in consecutive years? Sure, hasn't meant a whole lot in terms of playoff appearances or victories, but we haven't had much by way of a defense since Grilliams left (except boundless consistency) and the running game has been quite spotty during the last two years. The passing offense has really been the only thing the Redskins have had during the Zorn era, and clearly, it alone was very insufficient to get the Redskins to the playoffs.

Perhaps it's accurate that quarterbacks need to win to be considered franchise QBs, and QBs on teams that don't win are expendable based on the principle that you can lose just as effectively with worse QB play. I wouldn't agree with that, but at the very least, it makes some sense.

On a 4-12 team, all players are expendable. But that doesn't mean they are all worthless.

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[quote=Son Of Man;658379]What has JC done to ever instill confidence in the B&G fanbase? Even when we had a solid line, running game and defense (2007 season which was his first as a full-time starter), did he exude leadership quality? Sanchez does.

BTW- Ben Rothelisberger played behind a terrible line, so did [B]Aaron Rogers (who was drafted the same year as JC)[/B]. Why is their play seen as better by virtually ever expert in the NFL and TV? [B]Why is it Denver and Chicage wanted no parts of him in a proposed trade?[/B]

JC is a nice guy and appears to be a good person, however, he has not shown the ability to b a franchise QB after 3 1/2 seasons.....period.[/quote]

Aaron also sat for 3 years behind one of the greatest QB's ever plus the biggest issue with JC he changed systems evey year or two. He had stellar WR's, RB's pretty good defense basically the same set up the Jets have without the hall of fame QB & stellar o-line.

Vinny said that Snyder didn't want to give up 2 1st rounders for anyone that eliminated us from the trade not JC alone. They could have used one of the 2 1st rounders to select a QB in Denver a probably wil.