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[quote=SirClintonPortis;781055]Mike Shanahan didn't take the engine totally apart and rebuild with brand spanking new parts. He wanted to "win soon", which means finding scrap parts from various places and hoping it would all work in the end. That's why he didn't jettison AH, brought in Mcflabb, brought LJ, brought in Parker, brought in Kemo.[/quote]

As with any winning coach, their main goal is to build a championship team the way that has worked for them before, but also, to put themselves in the best position to win right away.

Mike Shanahan hasn't even begun to build the team yet. Any thought of him turning this team into an instant winner this past season is hilariously retarded.

He brought in guys who he thought could contribute and possibly help mentor the younger players....players who he thought could run his son's offense for the short while, but in no way was he ever thinking of building his team around any of those veterans. Maybe McNabb, but in the back of MS's mind, I'm sure he knew that he would be drafting a QB in the up and coming seasons, maybe just not this soon.

Overall, I would question the sanity of any Redskins fan that would want to jettison Shanahan after one, even two seasons. Perfection doesn't come over night nor does it come easily.

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[quote=BuckSkin;780825]EricStangel: BREAKING: Jeff Fisher out as Titans coach. Bud Adams says he's looking to interview Weeb Ewbank & Curly Lambeau[/quote]

Sorry..... Too soon for a Ewbank, Lambeau reference?

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[quote=skinsguy;781075]As with any winning coach, their main goal is to build a championship team the way that has worked for them before, but also, to put themselves in the best position to win right away.

Mike Shanahan hasn't even begun to build the team yet. Any thought of him turning this team into an instant winner this past season is hilariously retarded.

He brought in guys who he thought could contribute and possibly help mentor the younger players....players who he thought could run his son's offense for the short while, but in no way was he ever thinking of building his team around any of those veterans. Maybe McNabb, but in the back of MS's mind, I'm sure he knew that he would be drafting a QB in the up and coming seasons, maybe just not this soon.

Overall, I would question the sanity of any Redskins fan that would want to jettison Shanahan after one, even two seasons. Perfection doesn't come over night nor does it come easily.[/quote]You don't bring in a plethora of reclamation projects who went out as quickly as the came in just to hope for a little leadership. You bring them in hoping that they will show competitive form and thus contribute to a contender in the near future because they'll flame out in the near future. Of course he didn't plan on them for the long term, BUT he did expect them to contribute in the short term. It cost the team possible gems in the draft or UDFA. Probably the only vets brought in solely to "just add a solid guy" were Holliday, Hicks and Buchanon.

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[quote=SBXVII;780828]I wonder who the Titans owner has in mind. I doubt the owner would simply wait so long after the season, then fire his HC who has done fairly well up untill the last two or three seasons with out having someone in mind or having already made a deal with someone to take over.

I know he will have to go through the whole interview process but you just don't fire a HC like Fisher unless you either have major differences, can't get along, or already have a replacement ready.[/quote]

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/28/titans-fisher.ap/index.html]Jeff Fisher says it's 'time to move on' from Titans - NFL - SI.com[/url]

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;781118]You don't bring in a plethora of reclamation projects who went out as quickly as the came in just to hope for a little leadership. You bring them in hoping that they will show competitive form and thus contribute to a contender in the near future because they'll flame out in the near future. Of course he didn't plan on them for the long term, BUT he did expect them to contribute in the short term. It cost the team possible gems in the draft or UDFA. Probably the only vets brought in solely to "just add a solid guy" were Holliday, Hicks and Buchanon.[/quote]


Hindsight is 20/20. Everybody is brilliant after the fact.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;781118]You don't bring in a plethora of reclamation projects who went out as quickly as the came in just to hope for a little leadership. You bring them in hoping that they will show competitive form and thus contribute to a contender in the near future because they'll flame out in the near future. Of course he didn't plan on them for the long term, BUT he did expect them to contribute in the short term. [B]It cost the team possible gems in the draft or UDFA. [/B]Probably the only vets brought in solely to "just add a solid guy" were Holliday, Hicks and Buchanon.[/quote]


Which gems? The statement is so speculative as to be silly. Only MS and BA really know why they went with the older guys. I am glad you got that telepathy working for you. Perhaps it was a simple stopgap while he assessed the lay of the land. Put some guys in he is familiar with to eliminate as many variables as possible to see what the real issues are. "Maybe they pan out, maybe they don't but at least I know these guys know what the pro game is about."

Seriously, who was on the roster that was cut and is a "gem" for some other team? Seems to me as the season progressed more and more youth was introduced into the team.

Clearly, mistakes were made but, you know what, it's year f'ing one. If the trend continues, I am on board with you. But for now, let's see how this guy rolls. He was handed a steaming pile of crap and I am sure the problems we saw on the field over the past few years are only the type fo the iceberg. This was a completely dysfunctional organization. Let's see what the plan is over a couple of years.

But you're right. He erred on some things and didn't win more games than he lost. So let's fire the MF, hire Fisher, change offensive and defensive philosophies again, etc. etc.

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I want to know how anything can cost a team gems in the UDFA market? We didn't choose that undrafted star qb, because we signed McNabb? If we hadn't gotten Brown, we would have kept the perfect UDFA RT?

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Speaking of UDFA's I wonder if Shanahan would have kept Chase Daniels. I'm afraid we cut ties with him too soon.

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[quote=skinsguy;781167]Hindsight is 20/20. Everybody is brilliant after the fact.[/quote]Shanahan's decisions weren't consistent with team rebuilding even if everything turned out rosy. After three years, they all would likely beecome ineffective and we would need to replace them again. That's why I said his strategy was "win soon" the past offseason. He believed those old guys go provide enough to win it all before age hit them about three years from last offseason. You bring in short-term players to finish the puzzle, not start it. If he really wanted to "win in a couple of years and then keep on winning for many years after that", he would have been scouring the planet for as many good long-term players as he could find.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;781188]I want to know how anything can cost a team gems in the UDFA market? We didn't choose that undrafted star qb, because we signed McNabb? If we hadn't gotten Brown, we would have kept the perfect UDFA RT?[/quote]No, it's a matter of weighing the probabilities.
There's at least some CHANCE(7% or less) that they'll be a stud. The probability of McNabb or Brown being good 5 years from now is [B]0.00001%, give or take[/B]. And that's just the cost of a roster spot, not the picks given up for them.

Antonio Dixon? Yeah, we put him on the practice squad. Where is he now? Oh yeah, on the Eagles as a starter.

We could have lost Austin or Banks as well.

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[quote=SkinzWin;781015]Well... There goes my fire Haslett, hire Fisher idea.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/24728/fisher-not-headed-to-philly"]ESPN: Fisher not headed to Philly[/URL][/quote]

Lol, any team that gets Fischer as a DC will be extremely lucky. Fisher is a head coach and he'll have his pick of the litter when he's ready to work again. Either way some team is going to pay him a lot of money to work for them.

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Sounds like Alex smith will be staying on SF, Harbaugh said he's "excited to work with him" of course MS said the same about JC

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Sorta off topic... I'm sure it was mentioned but I either forgot or missed it. Virginia has a UFL team this year the "Virginia Destroyers".
[url=http://www.ufl-football.com/virginia-destroyers]Virginia Destroyers | UFL[/url]

The GM is Doug Williams.
[url=http://www.ufl-football.com/virginia-destroyers/front-office]Front Office | UFL[/url]

John Gruden's brother Jay Gruden is the HC.
[url=http://www.ufl-football.com/virginia-destroyers/staff-roster]Staff Roster | UFL[/url]

The Dance Team Co-ordinator is Kimberly Vaughn who was a 8 yr vet of the Washington Redskins.
[url=http://www.ufl-football.com/news/virginia-destroyers-announce-dance-team-coordinator]Virginia Destroyers Announce Dance Team Coordinator | UFL[/url]

Interesting.

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[quote=SBXVII;781399]Sorta off topic... I'm sure it was mentioned but I either forgot or missed it. Virginia has a UFL team this year the "Virginia Destroyers".
[url=http://www.ufl-football.com/virginia-destroyers]Virginia Destroyers | UFL[/url]

The GM is Doug Williams.
[url=http://www.ufl-football.com/virginia-destroyers/front-office]Front Office | UFL[/url]

John Gruden's brother Jay Gruden is the HC.
[url=http://www.ufl-football.com/virginia-destroyers/staff-roster]Staff Roster | UFL[/url]

The Dance Team Co-ordinator is Kimberly Vaughn who was a 8 yr vet of the Washington Redskins.
[url=http://www.ufl-football.com/news/virginia-destroyers-announce-dance-team-coordinator]Virginia Destroyers Announce Dance Team Coordinator | UFL[/url]

Interesting.[/quote]


Where in VA do they play their games?

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[quote=skinsguy;781423]Where in VA do they play their games?[/quote]

Virginia Beach/Norfolk. I want to say they said at the Norfolk Scope.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;781424]Virginia Beach/Norfolk. I want to say they said at the Norfolk Scope.[/quote]

They play here

[url=http://beachsportsplex.com/venue/sportsplex-stadium/]Virginia Beach Sportsplex - Sportsplex Stadium[/url]

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;781190]Shanahan's decisions weren't consistent with team rebuilding even if everything turned out rosy. After three years, they all would likely beecome ineffective and we would need to replace them again. That's why I said his strategy was "win soon" the past offseason. He believed those old guys go provide enough to win it all before age hit them about three years from last offseason. You bring in short-term players to finish the puzzle, not start it. [B]If he really wanted to "win in a couple of years and then keep on winning for many years after that", he would have been scouring the planet for as many good long-term players as he could find.[/B][/quote]

Not necessarily. You bring in veteran guys that have been mildly successful in the league to challenge any new blood that you bring into the franchise. Those veteran guys push those rookies and second year players, mentor them and shape them into better players. There were A LOT of holes to be filled, more holes than we had draft picks for. It is unrealistic to think that you're going to rebuild each and every position or at least 80% of the roster with rookies and second year guys all within a year, because the team just didn't have the draft picks.

Sure, Shanahan wanted to win as soon as possible. Why would any NFL coach not want to win as soon as possible? I wouldn't respect the coach if he didn't do whatever he thought was necessary to get the team in a position to win right away. It sometimes works, and it sometimes doesn't, but having those veterans at least serve as on field, game action, coaches for the young guys and that is a very valuable tool to have. And, if MS didn't think the veterans were getting the job done, he would cut them.

Again, I think you are missing the fact that this team was 4-12 in 2009, not 12-4. There is/was A LOT for MS to do in order to turn this team around. Look, the team got progressively younger toward the end of the season. We've seen young guys step up and perform rather well. You're just going to have to be patient with this coaching regime or either go be a Baltimore Ravens fan or something.

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[quote=SmootSmack;781425]They play here

[url=http://beachsportsplex.com/venue/sportsplex-stadium/]Virginia Beach Sportsplex - Sportsplex Stadium[/url][/quote]


Ah! OK! I wonder how successful this league will be? Seems like playing their games during the NFL season would be the kiss of death.

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[quote=skinsguy;781429]Ah! OK! I wonder how successful this league will be? Seems like playing their games during the NFL season would be the kiss of death.[/quote]

They don't play during the NFL season. I think they play during the spring.

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[quote=SBXVII;781449]They don't play during the NFL season. I think they play during the spring.[/quote]

They play mid-September to end of November

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[quote=SBXVII;781449]They don't play during the NFL season. I think they play during the spring.[/quote]

Looking at this past season's schedule, they started in September and ended in November.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/31/report-haloti-ngata-to-get-franchise-tag/]Report: Haloti Ngata to get franchise tag | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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The UFL plays in the fall.

The New USFL plays in the spring.

Two different leagues.

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Raiders are interested in Chad Johnson and apparently he wouldn't mind playing there. Espn Radio said it minutes ago

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[quote=skinsfaninok;781753]Raiders are interested in Chad Johnson and apparently he wouldn't mind playing there. Espn Radio said it minutes ago[/quote]

Hmm, I guess that WR from UMD ain't very good. lol

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;781779]Hmm, I guess that WR from UMD ain't very good. lol[/quote]

I heard they are about to cut DHB Mayb we look at him?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;781784]I heard they are about to cut DHB Mayb we look at him?[/quote]

I'm [I]sure [/I]Kyle is looking for an end-around specialist. ;)

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Yeah, they're not going to cut DHB after two disappointing years. That was a major project pick when the Raiders made it. And they knew it.

I think they vastly overestimated their chances of being successful in developing him, but its unlikely they've come to a different realization now.

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Adam Schefter is reporting (on Twitter) that Gregg Williams is going to interview for the Titans HC position on Thursday.

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[quote=Ruhskins;781920]Adam Schefter is reporting (on Twitter) that Gregg Williams is going to interview for the Titans HC position on Thursday.[/quote]

That's interesting, because I thought he didn't want it. I know he was upset with the Titans last year or the year before (whenever it was he interviewed to be their DC). I wonder if Fisher gave Williams a heads up he would be resigning and that's why he turned down the chance to interview with Denver

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Williams didn't turn down the DC job in Tennesee in'08, Bud Adams refused to employ Gregg's son as an assistant. Citing the Franchise's anti- nepotism policy. I wonder if the younger Williams would join his father?

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GW won't interview afterall

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[quote=SBXVII;781399]Sorta off topic... I'm sure it was mentioned but I either forgot or missed it. Virginia has a UFL team this year the "Virginia Destroyers".
[url=http://www.ufl-football.com/virginia-destroyers]Virginia Destroyers | UFL[/url]

The GM is Doug Williams.
[url=http://www.ufl-football.com/virginia-destroyers/front-office]Front Office | UFL[/url]

John Gruden's brother Jay Gruden is the HC.
[url=http://www.ufl-football.com/virginia-destroyers/staff-roster]Staff Roster | UFL[/url]

The Dance Team Co-ordinator is Kimberly Vaughn who was a 8 yr vet of the Washington Redskins.
[url=http://www.ufl-football.com/news/virginia-destroyers-announce-dance-team-coordinator]Virginia Destroyers Announce Dance Team Coordinator | UFL[/url]

Interesting.[/quote]

Guess they'll need to find a new HC now

[url=http://hamptonroads.com/2011/02/virginia-ufl-coach-jay-gruden-hired-cincinnati-bengals]Virginia UFL coach Jay Gruden hired by Cincinnati Bengals | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com[/url]

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Hhhhmmm....maybe the Redskins will be able to put up some points against the Eagles next season?

[url=http://www.csnphilly.com/02/02/11/Eagles-promote-Juan-Castillo-to-D-coordi/landing_eagles.html?blockID=402689&feedID=704]Eagles promote Juan Castillo to D-coordinator[/url]

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[quote=skinsguy;782048]Hhhhmmm....maybe the Redskins will be able to put up some points against the Eagles next season?

[url=http://www.csnphilly.com/02/02/11/Eagles-promote-Juan-Castillo-to-D-coordi/landing_eagles.html?blockID=402689&feedID=704]Eagles promote Juan Castillo to D-coordinator[/url][/quote]

Wow. I actually thought it was a typo when I saw that yesterday (guess I owe someone an apology). I was like why would they promote their offensive line coach to defensive coordinator? That's a different approach, to say the least.

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[quote=SmootSmack;782049]Wow. I actually thought it was a typo when I saw that yesterday (guess I owe someone an apology). I was like why would they promote their offensive line coach to defensive coordinator? That's a different approach, to say the least.[/quote]

Yeah thought the same thing. Then I thought, they're the Eagles and the organizational and personel moves work most of the time. If this were the Redskins Id say this is a typical move and would end in a miserable failure.

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[quote=SmootSmack;782049]Wow. I actually thought it was a typo when I saw that yesterday (guess I owe someone an apology). I was like why would they promote their offensive line coach to defensive coordinator? That's a different approach, to say the least.[/quote]

It seems completely insane.

Then again, Reid has done other things which I thought were nutty, and each time he comes out smelling like a rose.

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Castillo hasn't coached a defense since 1989 when he was coaching high school ball?

Wow.

This better work out otherwise Reid is gonna face some serious heat.

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I kinda felt sorry for Sean Mcdermit, having to fill the shoes of the late Jim Johnson Didnt know they fired him. Jim Johnson was a badass DC. RIP.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;782077]I kinda felt sorry for Sean Mcdermit, having to fill the shoes of the late Jim Johnson Didnt know they fired him. Jim Johnson was a badass DC. RIP.[/quote]

I never feel sorry for the Eagles, but thought McDermmit was a scapegoat...the Eagles have serious talent and depth issues in every facet of their D.