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Im mad I missed the game because of work. After reading some post, maybe it was a good thing. I just want to see Zorn light a fire on our team a..

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[QUOTE=70Chip;467141]I'm totally prepared for the fact that they willl keep him, but it doesb't make it right. Bobby Beathard was much more renowned than Vinny and Walter Murray still got the axe. I think it would send a powerful message. That looked like a team that is in paycheck gathering mode to me. They need to get serious and Zorn needs to start making them get serious.

Also, Zorn as QB Coach was part and parcel of how that team performed on the road. And going to Dallas, NY, and Philly is a damned sight harder than St. Louis, Arizona, and SF.[/QUOTE]

"Part and parcel," or a "significant factor" ?? I just don't see how a bad road record can be traced back to the QB coach. If it makes you feel any better though, Zorn so far is 2-1 outside of Fed Ex Field.

Interesting note about Walter Murray. I'd never heard of him until the graphic came up tonight on the broadcast which gave us the Redskins' top wideout picks going back to Art Monk. That's not an impressive list, by the way. Penn State offensive tackle Andre Johnson was another first rounder who didn't make the cut back in '96. Though I think he still somehow lasted one season. It can happen, certainly. But personally, I'm not taking Devin Thomas back to the customer service desk for a refund just yet.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;467146]"Part and parcel," or a "significant factor" ?? I just don't see how a bad road record can be traced back to the QB coach. If it makes you feel any better though, Zorn so far is 2-1 outside of Fed Ex Field.

Interesting note about Walter Murray. I'd never heard of him until the graphic came up tonight on the broadcast which gave us the Redskins' top wideout picks going back to Art Monk. That's not an impressive list, by the way. Penn State offensive tackle Andre Johnson was another first rounder who didn't make the cut back in '96. Though I think he still somehow lasted one season. It can happen, certainly. But personally, I'm not taking Devin Thomas back to the customer service desk for a refund just yet.[/QUOTE]

I don't know why the hell people think Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly are going to become Randy Moss and T.O. They are rookies and will not contribute that much this season. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what typically happens. We've improved our WR groups for the 2009 season, not next season. If we wanted to improve our wideouts for this season, we should have signed a veteran.

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[B]Time to shake this one off...[/B]The Skins will find a way to win this season and this game will be a distance memory.

No not spin, panic or positive thinking...it's just Redskin tradition.
Maybe we should revisit this post during week 10 of the regular season and see how we are rating then.

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[quote=Beemnseven;467131]He's been getting beat for a sack in each of these preseason games. Sometimes I wonder if the window is closing on Jon Jansen.[/quote]

I agree 100%. Jansen has never been at his best in the pre-season, he usually gets better as we get into the regular season, around week 2/3 he's coming on strong in the past (when he was healthy).

However, after going on three years filled with injuries, and IMO this pre-season coming off a major surgery he just hasn't looked good at all. I think Jansen's time is running out, I could see this being Jon's last season as a Redskin.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;467123]I must have missed this earlier Jansen hurt with ankle injury, not sure if high or low. Just caught this on the post-game interview with Zorn on Comcast w/B Mitch & Co.[/quote]

I think Zorn was talking about J.Taylor. I didn't hear anything about Jansen. Although at this point he's playing much more like a liability than an asset.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;467147]I don't know why the hell people think Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly are going to become Randy Moss and T.O. They are rookies and will not contribute that much this season. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what typically happens. We've improved our WR groups for the 2009 season, not next season. If we wanted to improve our wideouts for this season, we should have signed a veteran.[/QUOTE]


I hope we sign McMullen. He has his faults but has played much better thatn the rest of the new wideouts. Plus he is a vet and knows the WCO. We need that because these rookies WRs are not ready and atleast we will have 4 vet wide receivers. I just hope that both of the rooks aren't bust. But its still early so Iwouldn't give up on Devin yet..and we are yet to see Kelly play. But if we have these 4 vets on the team we will have experieince until these rookies show up hopefully later in the season.

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[QUOTE=tecolote;467145]Im mad I missed the game because of work. After reading some post, maybe it was a good thing. I just want to see Zorn light a fire on our team a..[/QUOTE]

I had to read this twice. I watched the game I almost thought you said you wanted to see Zorn light the team on fire...

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[quote=GMScud;467151]I think Zorn was talking about J.Taylor. I didn't hear anything about Jansen. Although at this point he's playing much more like a liability than an asset.[/quote]

I did,he talked about Taylor and Jansen.

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[QUOTE=memphisskin;467153]I had to read this twice. I watched the game I almost thought you said you wanted to see Zorn light the team on fire...[/QUOTE]

He should! LOL.

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Redskins.com website: "In a surprisingly poor showing" I just had to laugh at this. I hope we don't have anymore of these surprisingly poor showings.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;467147][B]I don't know why the hell people think Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly are going to become Randy Moss and T.O. [/B]They are rookies and will not contribute that much this season. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what typically happens. We've improved our WR groups for the 2009 season, not next season. If we wanted to improve our wideouts for this season, we should have signed a veteran.[/QUOTE]

Who is saying that ?!? Randy Moss and T.O. ? No Warpather that I've heard has made that kind of comparison to Kelly and Thomas who have hardly even played. All I said was that I'm not ready to ask for a refund on them yet.

I think the plan all along was to see if either Thomas or Kelly could step up and provide some help at the #2 spot, with Randle El in the slot; and if things went really well, they could be the future #1 and #2 somewhere down the road.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;467158]Who is saying that ?!? Randy Moss and T.O. ? No Warpather that I've heard has made that kind of comparison to Kelly and Thomas who have hardly even played. All I said was that I'm not ready to ask for a refund on them yet.

I think the plan all along was to see if either Thomas or Kelly could step up and provide some help at the #2 spot, with Randle El in the slot; and if things went really well, [B]they could be the future #1 and #2 somewhere down the road[/B].[/QUOTE]

I was being a bit sarcastic...and you're right, no one is making those claims. However, I'm glad you mentioned that Thomas and Kelly are (hopefully) the wideouts of the future. Because, I think that if we have problems with our passing game (like last year), then I think we fail to address this problem by getting rookies WR, because they will not contribute right away.

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Devin Thomas was scared for his life on returns tonight. That is what I saw. No more negative stuff from me, but that was a joke.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;467163]Devin Thomas was scared for his life on returns tonight. That is what I saw. No more negative stuff from me, but that was a joke.[/QUOTE]

As someone who has never played football, I don't see how anyone could play any position on special teams without sh*tting their pants.

Not everyone is cut out to be a returner. It would certainly help if Thomas showed something on special teams, but so far, nothing. We're going to have to be patient with Thomas and Kelly.

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Here's my observations from tonight, and I sat through the debacle in person and took the drunken jeers from Panthers fans. Sadly, I could not say wait til the regular season.

1. Kareem Moore was all over the field. He's got great range, and I think he would be a better compliment to Laron Landry than Reed Doughty.

2. Fred Davis continues to impress and make solid contributions. He will be an asset in double TE packages.

3. Jason Campbell is way too indecisive. I'm really starting to wonder if he's the answer at the QB position. Guys were in position to make plays, and he just won't trust his receivers. He just does not get rid of it like he should.

4. GW's scheming is what made our defense.

5. Devin Thomas is still a deer in headlights. He's not reacting quick enough between the kick returns and that 4 yard screen that should've been a 40 yard TD. He just didn't go for the outside and in general doesn't look aggressive.

6. Yes, Jansen stood out as the worst of the worst, but the entire O-Line was getting manhandled all night.

7. If that's the dress rehearsal, I'd hate to see the show.

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I just got home from the game. I don't want to talk about it. This game was a serious comedy of errors.

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I missed watching the game because I had to work tonight, but evidently I didn't miss much. I watched the game highlights on NFL.com and I'm probably gonna watch the game (I recorded it) on Tuesday since that's my next day off.

Seems this team has a lot of work to do in order to get ready for the regular season. I said the same thing I'm saying now after we got blown out by the Pats in preseason two years ago, I think. I'm glad this happened in preseason, because A. the game doesn't matter, and B. it gives us one game to correct our mistakes in time for the regular season.

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I live in Charlotte and hate the Panthers.Why are people so surprised they came at us so hard? Folks outside of D.C. need to understand the history the Redskins have as far as fan support in the Carolinas.Before the Panthers all we could see on T.V. were the Skins.The Panther organization HATES the fact so many Skins fan reside in North Carolina ...and in Charlotte.John Fox? A former New York Giant coach and we expect him to be nice to us? Plus Joe Gibbs turned Richardson down when the Panthers were formed.THEY hate the skins.WE hate them here in Charlotte.My hatred for the Panthers ranks up their with Dallas.They pimp slapped us.John Fox has no class.They needed this game .Steve Smith wont play in front of their fairweather fans for a month so they had to put on a show to give their dumb fans a high cause when Steve Smith returns they will be 0-2.If we get to play them in any situation from this day lets remember August 23, 2008.The lost just has made my hatred for them grow.Im still gonna wear my gear with no shame.We got some things to correct.Lets not lose sight of the season and letting 1 game define us.Beat the Giants on opening night. I hate em.I hope Jake gets hurt again.I hope Steve Smith gets hurt.Their cheerleaders are fat and ugly .Their Chief Zee wannbee is a fat drunk. their mascot sucks , their fans suck. I know its wrong to wish ill on anyone but I hate the Panthers.I hate em and I hated them before this lost.I hope we can see them in the playoffs and kill them .I HATE EM.If I was given the choice of cheering for the Panthers or sleeping with a man.He better pucker up and get some vasoline.Yeah I said it.I hate em.I HATE EM

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I missed the game on TV tonight, but listened to it on the radio. I have to agree with mooby. I'm glad we last. It is preseason, but it gives the team that feeling of failure and basically getting their asses handed to them to realize they need to focus and execute when on the field. I want this team to succeed and make the playoffs, but if we play this year like we did tonight, it's going to be a long season. I know we won't see much of the first string players on Thursday, so I hope they take this time and get the s**t together before we travel to The Meadowlands. Let's Go Burgandy and Gold!!!!!

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[QUOTE=mooby;467185]I missed watching the game because I had to work tonight, but evidently I didn't miss much. I watched the game highlights on NFL.com and I'm probably gonna watch the game (I recorded it) on Tuesday since that's my next day off.

Seems this team has a lot of work to do in order to get ready for the regular season. I said the same thing I'm saying now after we got blown out by the Pats in preseason two years ago, I think. I'm glad this happened in preseason, because A. the game doesn't matter, and B. it gives us one game to correct our mistakes in time for the regular season.[/QUOTE]

I agree, it was a lot like that game versus the Pats two years ago. Brian Mitchell brought up that point in the post game with Mike Sellers, and even Sellers agreed.

The downside to that comparison is that the 2006 team went on to finish 5-11 as teams continued to do what the Patriots did to us all year. As bad as that Patriot shellacking was, this was even worse as we got beat on both lines from jump and didn't show any grasp of Zorn's offense. True, its only the preseason, but with the regular season 12 days away and this being our 4th preseason game it doesn't look good.

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Wow....I woke up to check the score, and to see what kind of posts you all have made. I don't know what's worse, having the team play like poop, or listening to most of you talk about how jacked up the team is. Great fans. We've got our problems, but were was everyone with these little comments the past couple of weeks? O-line this, D-line that, Thomas, Kelly and everyone else has sucked, everyone's going down with injuries....how dare they play them....Blah..Blah..Blah.


THIS WAS ONE PRE-SEASON GAME, CALM THE F@CK DOWN!

That'll be all.....good night.

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[quote=memphisskin;467190]I agree, it was a lot like that game versus the Pats two years ago. Brian Mitchell brought up that point in the post game with Mike Sellers, and even Sellers agreed.

The downside to that comparison is that the 2006 team went on to finish 5-11 as teams continued to do what the Patriots did to us all year. As bad as that Patriot shellacking was, this was even worse as we got beat on both lines from jump and didn't show any grasp of Zorn's offense. True, its only the preseason, but with the regular season 12 days away and this being our 4th preseason game it doesn't look good.[/quote]

Its was last year when the Pats beat us like that.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;467193]Its was last year when the Pats beat us like that.[/QUOTE]

2006 Preseason is what we're talking about. They really put the pound to us then as well.

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[quote=THE TRUTH DETECTOR;467187]I live in Charlotte and hate the Panthers.Why are people so surprised they came at us so hard? Folks outside of D.C. need to understand the history the Redskins have as far as fan support in the Carolinas.Before the Panthers all we could see on T.V. were the Skins.The Panther organization HATES the fact so many Skins fan reside in North Carolina ...and in Charlotte.John Fox? A former New York Giant coach and we expect him to be nice to us? Plus Joe Gibbs turned Richardson down when the Panthers were formed.THEY hate the skins.WE hate them here in Charlotte.My hatred for the Panthers ranks up their with Dallas.They pimp slapped us.John Fox has no class.They needed this game .Steve Smith wont play in front of their fairweather fans for a month so they had to put on a show to give their dumb fans a high cause when Steve Smith returns they will be 0-2.If we get to play them in any situation from this day lets remember August 23, 2008.The lost just has made my hatred for them grow.Im still gonna wear my gear with no shame.We got some things to correct.Lets not lose sight of the season and letting 1 game define us.Beat the Giants on opening night. I hate em.I hope Jake gets hurt again.I hope Steve Smith gets hurt.Their cheerleaders are fat and ugly .Their Chief Zee wannbee is a fat drunk. their mascot sucks , their fans suck. I know its wrong to wish ill on anyone but I hate the Panthers.I hate em and I hated them before this lost.I hope we can see them in the playoffs and kill them .I HATE EM.If I was given the choice of cheering for the Panthers or sleeping with a man.He better pucker up and get some vasoline.Yeah I said it.I hate em.I HATE EM[/quote]
So I guess it really hurt when they kick our ass from one end of the field to the next.

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I do not hate the Panthers the way you hate them. But one thing I noticed when I lived there and worked their games is their fans would usually start leaving by the beginning of the third quarter. Kind of a wine and cheese crowd down there. My experience is they are more jealous of the Skins then hating them, because of the people who are still loyal to them, and the history the Redskins have.

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This is why we play pre-season games to see what we do well and what we need to work on. While I got upset at the Skins the little voice in the back of my head kept reminding me this is still preseason.

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[QUOTE=hagams;467192]Wow....I woke up to check the score, and to see what kind of posts you all have made. I don't know what's worse, having the team play like poop, or listening to most of you talk about how jacked up the team is. [B]Great fans.[/B] We've got our problems, but [B]were was everyone with these little comments the past couple of weeks?[/B] O-line this, D-line that, Thomas, Kelly and everyone else has sucked, everyone's going down with injuries....how dare they play them....Blah..Blah..Blah.


THIS WAS ONE PRE-SEASON GAME, CALM THE F@CK DOWN!

That'll be all.....good night.[/QUOTE]

Ugh, here we go again -- comment on how bad the team looked, and your status as a fan comes into question. I guess we should be used to that by now. You haven't heard comments like this in prior weeks because they haven't looked this bad yet.

If you had seen the game, your attitude would probably be different. No it's not the end of the season. But a performance like that so close to the season opener gives legitimate cause for concern. Especially with all the injuries.

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I was upset because Comcast blacked out the game for me on my Dish Network service.

I ended up watching a Yankees/Orioles game with my wife.

After seeing the score, I'm glad I couldn't see it. Reading this thread was fun though.




Thankfully Taylor's injury is minor. Osi's gone for the year and I don't see Strahan coming back since he said he's really enjoying his retirement (probably means he's not working out).

It's just preseason. I have no idea how we let a team beat us 47-3, but hey, it IS just preseason. With our extra HOF game, the guys are probably just sick of the scrimmages. Our preseason SHOULD be over now after 4 games, but we have one more.

We should probably bench all starters.

I really hope Frost doesn't make the cut.

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Ummm... I dont mean any harm. But watching the game again today. Rocky Mcintosh was not playing well. He was not filling the gaps. He looked slow. I saw three BIG plays..Including the two big runs he could have made a stop or attempt a tackle and couldn't even get there .... one huge catch by Steve Smith & on both big runs by Williams & Stewart.

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[QUOTE=dmvskinzfan08;467575]Ummm... I dont mean any harm. But watching the game again today. Rocky Mcintosh was not playing well. He was not filling the gaps. He looked slow. I saw three BIG plays..Including the two big runs he could have made a stop or attempt a tackle and couldn't even get there .... one huge catch by Steve Smith & on both big runs by Williams & Stewart.[/QUOTE]

You know, I watched the game yesterday afternoon and saw the SAME THING! He was directly tied into 21 points! He was either out of position, didn't shed the block or was slow to the point of attack. He played great last year before getting hurt so hopefully he can rebound to nearly that level quickly or it's going to be a long season off on the weakside. We're talking Hwy. 57 all over again.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;467594]You know, I watched the game yesterday afternoon and saw the SAME THING! He was directly tied into 21 points! He was either out of position, didn't shed the block or was slow to the point of attack. He played great last year before getting hurt so hopefully he can rebound to nearly that level quickly or it's going to be a long season off on the weakside. We're talking Hwy. 57 all over again.[/QUOTE]

I hope its just him needing to work himself back into game form. Because he did look good last season. Hopefully he will bounce back to last years form before the Giants game. So I am not counting him out yet. But he didn't look good at all.

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[QUOTE=memphisskin;466686]Nice, fumble by Betts.[/QUOTE]

I really thought Betts was down, on his back, laying on a Panthers player, when he was speared in the chest. Should've been a penalty on the Panthers.

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Nothing wrong with giving the Panthers credit for being a better team than us. If we see them this season, it will be because we are both playoff teams.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;467808]Nothing wrong with giving the Panthers credit for being a better team than us. If we see them this season, it will be because we are both playoff teams.[/QUOTE]

I hope we do meet them and beat the crap out of them!!

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Its preseason, and the panthers resent us a ton because of all the fans we still have in the carolina region. The panthers wanted to make a statement. I agree on the rocky thing tho. He did not look very "smart" i am a big believer that doughty stunk up the joint and thats our weakest link on defense, but at the same time..our lbs didnt play well at all.

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Moore looked good. He took bad angles on a couple tackles as he doesn't have the recovery speed but, he looks more promising in coverage than Doughty. Therefore he's better suited for SS.

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dude...moore or horton looks about on the same page as doughty at this point.
Are there any safetys released that look promising?

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[QUOTE=doughtydoubter;467881]dude...moore or horton looks about on the same page as doughty at this point.
Are there any safetys released that look promising?[/QUOTE]

Saying that..they are rookies. So if they look like they are on the smae page with Doughty then that's saying a lot. They have upsides. Doughty doesn't. They can develop Doughty should have developed by now he is a vet. I think we are fine at the safety spot until these guys develop. When Landry comes back it will imporve enough (hopefully) until these guys know the defense to the point where the can contribute without thinking as much and can jsut react on play. Because both of these guys have speed and great hitting ability.

I also dont think we should over look Hamilton.