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[quote=Twilbert07;509346]The Bengals D is nothing like the tough defenses we've played recently, so this will be Jason Campbell's chance to shine. It will be a big boost if he can throw a couple TD passes and lead us to more than 20 points.[/quote]

True, but if I am the Bengals D-coordinator, I'm telling my guys to bring the heat off the edges. With Heyer and Fabini in as our tackles, Jason is going to get killed.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;509331]There is something to be said about an offensive line giving up zero sacks, and excellent play calling down the stretch. Landry snuck up to the line on Flacco's TD pass to Mason (which was underthrown) and Rogers got burned worst than toast on the uber-dark setting. Other than that throw and his first throw to Mason that set up McClain's TD run, Flacco didn't do much last night. Their run offense (which went nowhere until their last drive of the game, when they gave the ball to McClain to pound) and their defense carried them once again.

Guys like Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco...their coordinators do not expect much from them, so they keep a simple offense installed to minimize any risks that these guys have to take. Their successes can be linked to their team's run offense (Atlanta #2 run offense, Baltimore #4). Matt Ryan also has several veterans he's throwing to, which helps in his development.

During this last 5 games, Portis has 316 yards rushing (averaging 63/game, which is inflated because of the success he had against Seattle) and no TDs. Defenses have lined up to stop Portis, but at the same time, the Skins pass blocking has been atrocious (18 sacks in 5 games, 16 on the previous 8), giving Campbell virtually no time to execute the offense.

I think Campbell's steps "backward" lie in the fact that he can't trust his offensive line or his receivers right now. Both have continued to let him down over the last 5 weeks. Campbell showed that he is a quality QB who can effectively run this offense, he needs his support personnel to step up and help him out.[/quote]

I think the question should be is JC a playmaker or not? Or does JC need everything around him to be clicking in order to win games and play well?

I think he's shown that when the blocking and run game is working well he's a pretty decent qb.

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[quote=redsk1;509479]I think the question should be is JC a playmaker or not? Or does JC need everything around him to be clicking in order to win games and play well?

I think he's shown that when the blocking and run game is working well he's a pretty decent qb.[/quote]

Hell who couldn't be a decent Qb when theres blocking and good running? Its called Improvising. Take what you have and make it work. He doesn't and isn't capable of doing this. Next!

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[quote=redsk1;509479]I think the question should be is JC a playmaker or not? Or does JC need everything around him to be clicking in order to win games and play well?

I think he's shown that when the blocking and run game is working well he's a pretty decent qb.[/quote]

after countless threads and posts about JC i think we have the question properly narrowed down (atleast in my mind): does JC need everything around him to be working for him to be successful?

most qbs can look good when the runningback runs for 130+ and the D makes the opposing offense earn their TDs.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;509500]Hell who couldn't be a decent Qb when theres blocking and good running? Its called Improvising. Take what you have and make it work. He doesn't and isn't capable of doing this. Next![/quote]
Then what do you call the first 8 games of this year?

Campbell is very capable, and has improvised successfully (again, I point to the first 8 games of the year). It's very hard to imagine any QB being successful with a injury-ridden offensive line that can't block a tic-tac-toe game and a run game that has been stopped by 4 of the best defenses in the league. When the protection is there, Campbell is moving the ball.

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his auburn stats:;:::Jason Campbell #17 QB

CAREER STATS
YARDS TOUCHDOWNS
7,299 45



Birth Date December 31, 1981
Birth Place Laurel, MS
Height 6-5
Weight 228 lbs.
Age 23
Class Senior

ProfileStatsGame Log

Stats Overview Passing
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2001 0 142 1117 0.0 7.87 72 4 4 15 69.74
2002 94 149 1215 63.1 8.15 54 11 5 14 149.23
2003 181 293 2267 61.8 7.74 68 10 8 25 132.57
2004 188 270 2700 69.6 10.00 87 20 7 13 172.89




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[quote=prinzeofmoval;509500]He doesn't and isn't capable of doing this. Next![/quote]Wait, I thought we were talking about Jason Campbell. But this sounds like were talking about some people on this site, and the way they understand football.

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[quote=Twilbert07;509312]Maybe you're right. I think in this win-now league, 1.5 years does say something, though. Last year when JC went out, the Skins were 5-7. Living in Atlanta, I see a rookie kicking ass, and last night I saw someone from Blue Hen U outplay our guy. I'm frustrated and not happy about averaging 8 or 9 points/game against these playoff teams. Campbell might be good in the long run, but he seems to be taking steps backward right now.[/quote]Be careful if you are going to justify anything by saying it's a win now league. Because that doesn't actually mean anything. 31 teams are going to not win "now", and I wouldn't recommend to them all that they start rebuilding.

Matt Ryan has been the surprise of the year, especially because the guy I saw at BC didn't seem like a can't miss prospect. But I think Atlanta's offense is what you get when you combine an efficient running game with an already established receiving corps, and then allow the QB and the young OL to develop in a fertile environment. I don't think Ryan is Manning-type special, but he does understand the pro game, and as rare as it is for a No. 3 overall QB to come into a great offense from day one, credit the Falcons. That offense was something they started building under Rich McKay, and continued to do with Thomas Dimitroff with the signing of Michael Turner. Joey Harrington and Chris Redman BOTH had career years last year.

We have been trying to do the same thing, but chances are: if you think you need a quarterback, you probably don't have a very good offense.

I would question which game you were watching if you thought Flacco outplayed Campbell though.

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Campbell Out--collins In

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[quote=GTripp0012;509652]Wait, I thought we were talking about Jason Campbell. But this sounds like were talking about some people on this site, and the way they understand football.[/quote]

lol these threads really do go nowhere huh?

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[quote=skins6;509686]Campbell Out--collins In[/quote]

Did you even watch the end of last season?

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[quote=SkinDogg;509735]Did you even watch the end of last season?[/quote]

yes its called being healthy.

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how about just trying to throw past the first down markers! why is it if we need 8 yards we pass for 3 if we need 3 yards we pass for 2 and so on. The best passer in the league will have a losing season. Frustrating!

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Why do we keep making excuses for JC (4 different offenses, no offensive line, etc.). Face it!! He is a mediocre quarterback who has a long throwing motion, doesn't sense pressure, and doesn’t move well in the pocket like good quarterbacks....AKA Tony Romo & Big Ben for a few examples. Average quarterbacks (Mark Rypien) can look good with a running game, and good offensive line. The question is can Jason be a good QB with an average offensive line, and average running game? My answer would be NO.....

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[quote=redsk1;509479]I think the question should be is JC a playmaker or not? Or does JC need everything around him to be clicking in order to win games and play well?

I think he's shown that when the blocking and run game is working well he's a pretty decent qb.[/quote]


It just so happens that Scouts Inc agrees with you.

Originally from ESPN Insider:
[quote=Scouts Inc]Washington
• The Redskins used a variety of five- and three-step drops and play-action passes to offset the aggressive Ravens defense, but they were unable to consistently keep Campbell clean in the pocket. It seemed that when Campbell had time he was able to be effective, especially early on, but he didn't have enough support from the running game to keep the Baltimore defense off-balance.[/quote]