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[quote=HailGreen28;960714]Has the NFL figured our offense out? Does that explain the past two games?[/quote]

More like they are beating themselves....

Penalties, drops, bad play calling, penalties. The last two games, Griffin didn't play mistake free today either. This was an across the board failure.

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How often does a skins receiver make a play like SS catch. Logan Paulsen has the best hands on the team now....

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Garçon is sorely missed on our offense because he is our #1 wr who can put fear in the defense.

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[quote=Gtothearry;960696]Typical plays from a poorly coached team.[/quote]

Was probably just trying a little too hard to block that punt. We were in a situation where we needed to block it... can't fault the player for trying too hard if that was the case.

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[quote=Evilgrin;960728]More like they are beating themselves....

Penalties, drops, bad play calling, penalties. The last two games, Griffin didn't play mistake free today either. This was an across the board failure.[/quote]


Pretty much this. Offense is killing itself really. Penalties(13) killed us today, and going 3-15 didn't help either.

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Shouldda tried the fake onside kick!

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Something other than kicking it directly to the other team lol... i wish they didnt take that timeout and saved it :-( ... not much diff. In time wen we only had 18 secs left to begin with

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Just got back from taking my kids to the fair. Haven't even gone to ESPN.com, but looking at the posts, Shanahan is getting HIS blame passed on down the line to Haslett and Danny Smith. Nothing changed since last week, so I guess we lost. Right? Lost to a 1-6 team? Just wondering how long its gonna take for people around here to realize what 4 people on this site have been wondering for a long time. Why in the hell do you all still believe Shanahan is not to blame?????

Another way to look at it even. If Mike S. is such an elite coach, taking into account ALL of his excellent creme de la creme successes in the ultra powerful early-mid 2000's AFC West, why is it taking so long for him to build even what RESEMBLES a contender? Remember what Rave said, the team he inherited was not that bad talent wise. So what gives? Obviously, the team is being sabotaged from the inside, because Mike WILL build a winner. Its just not going to take about 3 MORE years, and not for RG3 to learn anything or build a rapport with anyone, but now the entire Defense (entire secondary, depth at EVERY position) and the OLine is in question, as is our awesome receiving corps. Its not Shanahans fault that he is absolutely leaning on two rooks that even playing at their all pro level cannot make up for the deficiencies all over this team. But we were close. Again, its not like we are getting blown out, right???? 21-13 is respectable. But its the injuries, right? Ever taken a look at the Panthers injuries on their defense?

Like GTripp said, the offense is moving backwards, there is a big chance that the offensive line has completely opverachieved this year due to a fast mobile quarterback. Other than TW, the rest are garbage. THE REST. none of the other 4 would even sniff a starting spot on a contending team. This team, franchise is still a mess. But the whole aura and attitude has changed at Redskins park? Alot of good that has done us. 3-7 with an all universe QB that cannot continue to bail our inneffective MESS of a coaching staff, on all 3 sides of the ball, out. I hope and pray this is Mr. "Got a job cause I coached Elway"s last year. But I think its gonna take another year of "didn't get blown out, we are close" to get it through peoples heads.

And for the record, if this team wasn't down on itself after the Gmen last week, entering a bye week after losing to a horrid Panthers team with half their defensive starters out and letting that stew is not going to do us any favors moving forward. Shanny might struggle to get to 6 wins this year.

At least we are younger, right?

/end rant

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Defense are not really figuring us out. We are beating ourselves.

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B Mitch is just unloading on this team on the post game show.... and deservedly so.

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[quote=NC_Skins;960742]Pretty much this. Offense is killing itself really. Penalties(13) killed us today, and[B][I] going 3-15 didn't help either[/I][/B].[/quote]


Thats alright. Shanny should have that shored up by year 6. Penalties too. Drops too.

It is a process to get receivers on a team that can catch a football. Its not like a 5 year old girl can catch a ball or anything. Shanny has an eye for runningbacks and defensive coordinators. Give him time......

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Mike Shanahan blows. Jim Haslett blows. Danny Smith blows. A few people have said Kyle Shanahan is super talented. Yet to see it. MS is 0-3 on QBs with RG3 looking pretty promising. He has failed miserably with the OL (TW being the only exception), No talent at WR, FD has not lived up to his potential, Defense has been devastated by injuries but had everyone been healthy the secondary would have still been garbage -- I said it three years ago and I'll say it again: [B]SHOULD HAVE HIRED COWHER[/B]

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This is all you need to read to see Hall's worthlessness
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/44974/redskins-have-no-reason-to-keep-deangelo-hall]Washington Redskins have no reason to keep DeAngelo Hall - NFC East - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Mechanix544;960755]Another way to look at it even. If Mike S. is such an elite coach, taking into account ALL of his excellent creme de la creme successes in the ultra powerful early-mid 2000's AFC West, why is it taking so long for him to build even what RESEMBLES a contender? Remember what Rave said, the team he inherited was not that bad talent wise. So what gives? [/quote]Disagree with the majority of your post, but want to focus here. Shanny cleaned house when he came in. And aside from Carlos Rogers who was determined not to get contacts or play better until the only contract he could get then was a one-year lowball from San Fran, the guys we let go HAVE NOT done much to show they belonged on an NFL team.

Cerrato left the cupboard pretty bare when Shanny took over. This has been a needed rebuild the past three years, despite Shanny trying to "win now" with McNabb in year one of his tenure.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;960724]In one of the prediction threads I said there was no way we would only score 13 points. I was wrong and apologize.[/quote]

Dont be mad. Not your fault some one called a draw play on 4th and 6 in the endzonfire shannnnyyy

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[quote=rbanerjee23;960767]This is all you need to read to see Hall's worthlessness
[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/44974/redskins-have-no-reason-to-keep-deangelo-hall"]Washington Redskins have no reason to keep DeAngelo Hall - NFC East - ESPN[/URL][/quote]

Guess it's time to put Crawford in there and see what he can do.

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[quote=Bucket;960761]Defense are not really figuring us out. We are beating ourselves.[/quote]

Poor coaching too. We dont have a real 3-4 DL our front 7 is not good and we have a very poor secondary.

This = the worst D in skins history.blame mike atleast for changing D and hiring jim.

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[quote=HailGreen28;960768]Disagree with the majority of your post, but want to focus here. Shanny cleaned house when he came in. And aside from Carlos Rogers who was determined not to get contacts or play better until the only contract he could get then was a one-year lowball from San Fran, the guys we let go HAVE NOT done much to show they belonged on an NFL team.

Cerrato left the cupboard pretty bare when Shanny took over. This has been a needed rebuild the past three years, despite Shanny trying to "win now" with McNabb in year one of his tenure.[/quote]

And many have wondered. IF it was a 5 year rebuild, and the cupboard was so bare, why give away draft picks, high ones at that, for an aging QB from within the division? Obviously, he was thinking he could do at least SOMEHTHING with bringing McSuck in here. I guess he gets a pass there, though. I mean, its not like that second rounder could have ever been a contributer in our ASS BLOW secondary, right?

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[quote=rbanerjee23;960766]Mike Shanahan blows. Jim Haslett blows. Danny Smith blows. A few people have said Kyle Shanahan is super talented. Yet to see it. MS is 0-3 on QBs with RG3 looking pretty promising. He has failed miserably with the OL (TW being the only exception), No talent at WR, FD has not lived up to his potential, Defense has been devastated by injuries but had everyone been healthy the secondary would have still been garbage -- I said it three years ago and I'll say it again: [B]SHOULD HAVE HIRED COWHER[/B][/quote]
Still time to hire him after season. But id look into ND coach.

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Shanahan said 5 years.. Ill give him 5 years. Lovie Smith was on the chopping block for a while and they are 7-1 now after he got the talent he wanted to fill his needs.

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Wow. Just wow.Brandon Banks has not been the fast playmaker he was hired to be. He hasn't passed the 30 more than twice. (Stat could be wrong. Going on pure feel.) The defensive line beat up our offensive line in fine fashion. Logan Paulson is our best receiver while the defense played dismal pretty much with flashes of good effort but they struggled.

Strengths:

Alfred Morris, Logan Paulsen, RG3, Rob Jackson
Josh Morgan if he holds on. Our offensive line when running but a weakness when passing.
A flash of Niles Paul.
Kicker other than onside kick.
I got mad respect for London Fletcher. Saw him hustling like his usual self. RG3. Did I mention RG3?

Weaknesses: Plurals, many.

The line when passing.
Most of the receivers.
Most of the secondary although they did play better. But how could they not?
Option pitches which are begging to be called a turnover sooner rather than later.
Has anyone seen Kerrigan. Is he still a Redskin?
Pass rush. Haven't seen it either.
Last play. Was that really a play? I guess it is now.

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[quote=Mechanix544;960774]And many have wondered. IF it was a 5 year rebuild, and the cupboard was so bare, why give away draft picks, high ones at that, for an aging QB from within the division? Obviously, he was thinking he could do at least SOMEHTHING with bringing McSuck in here. I guess he gets a pass there, though. I mean, its not like that second rounder could have ever been a contributer in our ASS BLOW secondary, right?[/quote]


You raise some really good points, and that is why I don't understand how 70% of the forum thinks that Shannahan should not be fired at the end of the season. This is year three and the team is either treading water or going backwards.

The frigging Colts are 5-3! Every so called expert stated how RG3 should have an easier go of it during his rookie campaign since the Skins have 'better talent' than the Colts. Seriously, how is it possible for this team to get crushed for the second year in a row by the Panthers! Snyder should fire the whole front office.

I'm probably in rant mode right now, it is just so frustrating to watch this team. Especially when they come out flat and get kicked in the teeth by the likes of the Rams/Panthers name current NFL bottom feeder franchise.

[QUOTE=Bucket;960778]Shanahan said 5 years.. Ill give him 5 years. Lovie Smith was on the chopping block for a while and they are 7-1 now after he got the talent he wanted to fill his needs.[/QUOTE]

Smith has been to a SB and has never had seasons like ms has

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[quote=skinsfan69;960762]B Mitch is just unloading on this team on the post game show.... and deservedly so.[/quote]Bitchell can go eat a ****. #1, he's a Philadelphia Eagle through and through. #2, He's just a shill who couldn't get a job anywhere other than trashing the Skins. #3. He does this repeatedly with less insight than anyone here, included know-nothing me. #4. Snyder shafted Mitchell when he let him go, but as a commentator he has little to say but garbage, like Lavar. And we should never forget his quotes like these:

"I really get the feeling that I was a Philadelphia Eagle my entire life"

"I don't hope any African American QB comes here." Brian Mitchell, referring to Cam Newton possibly playing for Washington.

"You shouldn't even be opening your mouth. That defensive line SUCKS. Philip Daniels SUCKS." Brian Mitchell after Daniels commented on Albert Haynesworth's bad behavior

Screw Brian Mitchell. He should be dead to all of us, as a Skin.

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[quote=Bucket;960778]Shanahan said 5 years.. Ill give him 5 years. Lovie Smith was on the chopping block for a while and they are 7-1 now after he got the talent he wanted to fill his needs.[/quote]
Lovie been to the sb and a good couple playoffs the bears FO where to chicken crap to make moved that lovie always wanted. Bears would of made playoff last year too if cutler sidnt get hurt look what they dod they brought in franchise QB a dominating DE to an already good D and got Marshall for a 3rd which was cheap and now are 7-1 n i believe will ein sb.

Lovie been a winning coach and is now better with more power in FA.

In less than 3 years bears where playoff contenders. We are not.bears are always motivared to win we use to but now dont care.

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[quote=DirtBagZ;960783]You raise some really good points, and that is why I don't understand how 70% of the forum thinks that Shannahan should not be fired at the end of the season. This is year three and the team is either treading water or going backwards.

The frigging Colts are 5-3! Every so called expert stated how RG3 should have an easier go of it during his rookie campaign since the Skins have 'better talent' than the Colts. Seriously, how is it possible for this team to get crushed for the second year in a row by the Panthers! Snyder should fire the whole front office.

I'm probably in rant mode right now, it is just so frustrating to watch this team. Especially when they come out flat and get kicked in the teeth by the likes of the Rams/Panthers name current NFL bottom feeder franchise.[/quote]

Here is the difference, hear me out. Its gonna be a lengthy explanation.

YOU DO NOT NEED STUDS AT EVERY POSITION TO WIN. ie colts this year. The coach is actually coaching and gameplanning his squad to wins. Its not that difficult. And thats a BRAND NEW COACH, in a situation where he has a rook QB, WORSE TALENT accross the board than we had, our division is weaker by a ton this year, and he is winning. Didn't take him long to take a one win abysmal team to 2 games over .500 at the halfway mark. Sure as hell didn't take him 5 years. This 5 year thing blows me away. Talk about job security. After a 5-11 year 3, he can always say, "I said it was a 5 year job to rebuild....." PHUCK THAT. Its the NFL, win or go home, overrated loser of a coach this Shanahan is. The game has so passed him by. Just sucks its gonna take Redskins nation 5 years to figure out that it doesn't matter if he has 3, 4, 5 or 12 years, he is not good anymore. If he was, we would at least see some results against a 1-6 team that is taking a nosedive in year 3.

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[quote=Mechanix544;960774]And many have wondered. IF it was a 5 year rebuild, and the cupboard was so bare, why give away draft picks, high ones at that, for an aging QB from within the division? Obviously, he was thinking he could do at least SOMEHTHING with bringing McSuck in here. I guess he gets a pass there, though. I mean, its not like that second rounder could have ever been a contributer in our ASS BLOW secondary, right?[/quote]Agreed the McNabb move was bad, but look how Shanny's changed the roster since.

Totally new OL and backfield. Who other than Moss and if you want count Cooley have we kept? Not many on O. And on Defense Rak and Fletch are a given, but not much else there from the old regime on D either.

And of the guys who left, who's made a bang? Rogers who even didn't want to play here when Blanche and Co. ran the D, one good year from Carter with the Pats though he got injured there, who else? Our roster was pathetic when Shanahan came in.

I'm in favor of giving Shanny his original 5 years, despite this mess today. There was a lot of cleaning up to do, and I do think the future is brighter than when he came in.

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3-6 and regressing doesnt feel great, but it's fun to read all the anti-shanny crazies.

[QUOTE=Evilgrin;960792]3-6 and regressing doesnt feel great, but it's fun to read all the anti-shanny crazies.[/QUOTE]

What's crazy about people wanting to actually get a coach that wins games? Like I said I'm a fan of Mike but he's not winning and he's been here 3 years now and the team is just as bad( without RGIII included) now more than ever pretty much

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[quote=NC_Skins;960742]Pretty much this. Offense is killing itself really. Penalties(13) killed us today, and going 3-15 didn't help either.[/quote]

Ouch 3-15 on 3rd down?

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Surprised this thread hasn't been closed already, usually these threads get closed the moment the clock hits 0:00

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[quote=JimZorn;960743]Shouldda tried the fake onside kick![/quote]If you say anything that rhymes with "ing" and "ate", I will kill you with my mind. :madani:




lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;960793]What's crazy about people wanting to actually get a coach that wins games? Like I said I'm a fan of Mike but he's not winning and he's been here 3 years now and the team is just as bad( without RGIII included) now more than ever pretty much[/quote]

Your happy with RG3 right? No Shanahan, no RG3....

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;960795]Surprised this thread hasn't been closed already, usually these threads get closed the moment the clock hits 0:00[/QUOTE]

Matty and SS are on strike

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Sports Forum Protection program........

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[quote=Mechanix544;960790]Here is the difference, hear me out. Its gonna be a lengthy explanation.

YOU DO NOT NEED STUDS AT EVERY POSITION TO WIN. ie colts this year. The coach is actually coaching and gameplanning his squad to wins. Its not that difficult. And thats a BRAND NEW COACH, in a situation where he has a rook QB, WORSE TALENT accross the board than we had, our division is weaker by a ton this year, and he is winning. Didn't take him long to take a one win abysmal team to 2 games over .500 at the halfway mark. Sure as hell didn't take him 5 years. This 5 year thing blows me away. Talk about job security. After a 5-11 year 3, he can always say, "I said it was a 5 year job to rebuild....." PHUCK THAT. Its the NFL, win or go home, overrated loser of a coach this Shanahan is. The game has so passed him by. Just sucks its gonna take Redskins nation 5 years to figure out that it doesn't matter if he has 3, 4, 5 or 12 years, he is not good anymore. If he was, we would at least see some results against a 1-6 team that is taking a nosedive in year 3.[/quote]
Total agreement here, like Jerry Glanville once said the NFL stand for Not For Long, especially after multiple 10+ loss seasons. I am all in as an anti-Shannahan crazy.

[QUOTE=Mechanix544;960790]Here is the difference, hear me out. Its gonna be a lengthy explanation.

YOU DO NOT NEED STUDS AT EVERY POSITION TO WIN. ie colts this year. The coach is actually coaching and gameplanning his squad to wins. Its not that difficult. And thats a BRAND NEW COACH, in a situation where he has a rook QB, WORSE TALENT accross the board than we had, our division is weaker by a ton this year, and he is winning. Didn't take him long to take a one win abysmal team to 2 games over .500 at the halfway mark. Sure as hell didn't take him 5 years. This 5 year thing blows me away. Talk about job security. After a 5-11 year 3, he can always say, "I said it was a 5 year job to rebuild....." PHUCK THAT. Its the NFL, win or go home, overrated loser of a coach this Shanahan is. The game has so passed him by. Just sucks its gonna take Redskins nation 5 years to figure out that it doesn't matter if he has 3, 4, 5 or 12 years, he is not good anymore. If he was, we would at least see some results against a 1-6 team that is taking a nosedive in year 3.[/QUOTE]

Agree 100%!!

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So for all of the Shannahan supporters, if this season goes like the last two and the team has 10+ losses again, just how many 10+ loss seasons should Shanny be allowed before he is fired? I think it is a lock that if he coaches out his contract he will be below .500, depending upon just how bad this season gets he'll have a shot at 50+ losses in five years.

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[quote=Evilgrin;960797]Your happy with RG3 right? No Shanahan, no RG3....[/quote]

Oh no? Cuz our previous regimes would have given up 5the number ones, orakpo, kerrigan, laron landry(oh wait) ... fred davis, for bum replacements and been the toast of.... thier iwn inner circle.

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[quote=Meks;960816]Oh no? Cuz our previous regimes would have given up 5the number ones, orakpo, kerrigan, laron landry(oh wait) ... fred davis, for bum replacements and been the toast of.... thier iwn inner circle.[/quote]

What?