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[quote=NC_Skins;956041]How exactly do you know whether the loss of Jackon/Meriweather isn't that much? It's hard to say that without them ever playing a single down. Not unless you have some sort of ability to see into another dimension where they are healthy and played the last 6 games.

I think Jackson and Meriweather were upgrades over what we had, but yet still a stop gap until we could find something better.[/quote]

I'm not saying that Jackson was a wasted signing, but in a way he was. Is he in Washington because Raheem Morris is in Washington or because Bruce Allen drafted him? It's a shame that he's on suspension. Meriweather on the other hand hasn't been healthy all season. He hasn't played 1 game and I don't know if it matters or not if he ever plays this year. I think the Redskins need to DRAFT a couple of safeties next offseason since Jackson can't stop using drugs and Meriweather can't stay healthy.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;956123]I think the Redskins need to DRAFT a couple of safeties next offseason since Jackson can't stop using drugs and Meriweather can't stay healthy.[/quote]


No arguments there. I think our FO got the "best" FA safeties available during the off-season. It's just a shame that the "best" is still sub par.

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I'm not sure if the results would have been drastically different, but I can't imagine a tandem of Jackson and Meriweather being any worse than what we've been putting out there. Who knows, they might have been adequate. We'd be in much better shape with just adequate play from the safety spot. So far it's been pretty atrocious.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;956145]I'm not sure if the results would have been drastically different, but I can't imagine a tandem of Jackson and Meriweather being any worse than what we've been putting out there. Who knows, they might have been adequate. We'd be in much better shape with just adequate play from the safety spot. So far it's been pretty atrocious.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. We dont need all pro's. we need serviceable. Man if we were just a little bit better in the secondary I think we could possibly be 7-0. Thats how close all these games have been. The Cruz throw. The first play against Cincy. Danny Freakin Amenwutever.


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Actually Cooley mentioned on the Doc and Bmitch show today he was confident of making it with the team. He was not sure he could cut it with the TE ranks but assured he'd be a lock at Safety.........

[QUOTE=punch it in;956170]Man if we were just a little bit better in the secondary I think we could possibly be 7-0. Thats how close all these games have been. The Cruz throw. The first play against Cincy. Danny Freakin Amenwutever.


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Absolutely agree we are closer than we have ever been before. Even with the injury to Rak and Carriker, I think our front seven is solid ... not spectacular, solid. If the safety play were even adequate we would be in so much better shape.

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[quote=Mattyk;956145]I'm not sure if the results would have been drastically different, but I can't imagine a tandem of Jackson and Meriweather being any worse than what we've been putting out there. Who knows, they might have been adequate. We'd be in much better shape with just adequate play from the safety spot. So far it's been pretty atrocious.[/quote]

Realllllllly pisses me off that T Jax looked so good in preseason

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;956176]Absolutely agree we are closer than we have ever been before. Even with the injury to Rak and Carriker, I think our front seven is solid ... not spectacular, solid. If the safety play were even adequate we would be in so much better shape.[/QUOTE]

Do you think it is safe to assume we draft for need in the second round or is there someone in free agency we should throw our money at. Also will jackson even be back on the team next year or are his playing days over? I mean we probably need to be looking for both a FS and a SS. A corner too.
Edit: gonna take these thoughts / questions to the free agency thread.

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The fact of the matter is the Saints, Rams, Bengals, Falcons, Vikings, and Giants have scorched the Redskins secondary to death. The only time the defense has held a QB under 300 yards passing was against the Bucs and that was hardly impressive because Tampa Bay amassed only 1 yard short of 300 against the Redskins secondary.

Something needs to happen. Whether players are playing out of position or if the coaches are calling ineffective coverages, they need to fix the problem and soon. The Redskins are not in the division lead because of the defensive secondary. The Redskins have a losing record only because of the defensive secondary. The Redskins are in last place in the NFC East only because of the defensive secondary. The Redskins are not 7-0 or 6-1 only because of the defensive secondary.

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[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/rg3-report-giants-review/article/2511539#.UIc1RZG9KSM]RG3 Report: Giants review | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

Game is on NFL Replay at 930 if you can bear to see it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;956217]Game is on NFL Replay at 930 if you can bear to see it.[/quote]

i gotta go walk my fish

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[quote=imaskin4life;956218]i gotta go walk my fish[/quote]

I have an appointment to go get my excitement crushed in the span of approximately 19 seconds. Sucks, wish I could see it.

[QUOTE=mooby;956219]I have an appointment to go get my excitement crushed in the span of approximately 19 seconds. Sucks, wish I could see it.[/QUOTE]

I just am gonna turn it off at 133 and believe manning threw a game ending interception.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;956217]Game is on NFL Replay at 930 if you can bear to see it.[/QUOTE]

Thanks but Ill pass. Im just about over the first viewing.


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I tried to watch it again but then I realized that taking a knife and carving the words "you deserve this pain" onto my arm was more effective.

[QUOTE=imaskin4life;956246]I tried to watch it again but then I realized that taking a knife and carving the words "you deserve this pain" onto my arm was more effective.[/QUOTE]

Hahahahahaha. I stuck hot pokers in my eyes. It was just quicker.


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[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-vs.-giants-studs-and-duds-defense/article/2511582#.UIfl5bR7PHg]Redskins vs. Giants: Studs and Duds (defense) | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

Reaction to Skins @ Giants and Niles Paul Starting
 

I try to watch the replay whenever possible because it helps me see stuff I miss the first time around. What I reacted to most is:

1. Niles Paul was the worst player from either team. He doesn't block, period. One of the earlier sacks on RG3 is all on Paul, because the play was designed for Trent to seal the inside and Paul to move up from the backfield and block Tuck (I think), but Paul made no effort whatsoever. Same scenario happened over and over wrt blocking. He hates blocking. He's got subpar hands. He doesn't do anything special after the catch.

...and now we hear he's starting. I...just...don't...get what we're doing. Thoughts?

2. The option was blown up, nearly causing a fumble, toward the end of the first quarter. I remembered the play but couldn't remember when it happened and was surprised it happened so early. The defense read it the whole way and the right side of the line (Polumbus) makes it too easy for a quick d-lineman to shoot through. IMO the option should not have been called again after that play in the 1st quarter. While RG3 gained some yards with it later, it eventually led to a turnover and again we're damn lucky it didn't happen in the 1st qtr as well.

3. Trent Williams is playing awesome.

4. Lunch pail Logan should start at TE, with Cooley as backup for now. Cooley may overtake Logan but for now Logan's great hands, blocking and route running earn him the spot.

5. The play called on the INT shouldn't have been called after the 2nd quarter. The defense started reading the play and though Davis made a great catch when it was called in the 2nd quarter, it could have been picked off then. What I cannot understand is why we bunch up our formations and routes, making the windows RG3 sees so small? On the INT there were three defenders right there reading the play and within a couple steps of Paulsen. Was it a bad throw? Sure, RG3 should have thrown it away, because from the angles I saw it was gonna be a pick no matter what as the corner had Paulsen covered up front (again, the defense read the play before the ball was snapped) and the safety was sitting back there just waiting as well.

6. Our defense doesn't create enough pressure in the 3-4, and our LBs cannot cover well enough to justify the scheme either. I know some of you pointed out how poorly our LBs cover but I didn't see it clear until rewatching plays over again. In some cases we end up w/ London covering a guy outside, leaving the middle of the field open and sure enough Bradshaw picked up mad yards. That's just lousy scheme, pure and simple. London is a tackling machine, not a cover LB. He should always be in the middle of the field. It's another example of how poorly we're suited for the 3-4 defense. I think we could still be a top 10 defense (like the one Mike inherited) if we switched back to the 4-3.

7. Last but not least, RG3 is the man. He's doing it all out there...

Re: Reaction to Skins @ Giants and Niles Paul Starting
 

Stop overreacting to Paul being named a starter...everyone!

A starting nod doesn't determine his full-game role or amount of time on the field. It just means he's starting the game...nothing more. The first part of each game is always a scripted offense...so it's likely his blocking abilities will be used for the scripted plays. That portion of the game will likely be mostly running plays, not passing plays. After that, who's in at TE will be dictated by the flow of the game or need to make a play. Paulsen will get plenty of snaps and Cooley's role will be increased as he proves himself after his layoff and gets back into shape.

It doesn't worry me at all. Paul is a good blocker despite missing one last game. Catching seems to be his weakness.

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If only we had created some sort of post game thread on Sunday to discuss our thoughts...

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Just make a pre-Steelers game thread instead, Smoot. This should be done now!

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The good thing about playing Niles now is that it ends the whole debate as to if he's a good TE worth keeping next year. His opportunity is now; not next year, Now!

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[quote=Monkeydad;956372]Just make a pre-Steelers game thread instead, Smoot. This should be done now![/quote]

Do a search

Re: Skins/Giants post game thread
 

"Morris gashed the Giants, [B]and Shanahan has been masterful with his play calling, getting the most out of Griffin's immense, but developing, abilities.[/B]"
...
"Shanahan has been tremendous in nurturing Griffin by using a very high percentage of play-action passes, often coming out of the pistol formation, which puts Griffin in a comfortable position and allows him to see the field very well."

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8535104/nfl-next-areas-improvement-robert-griffin-iii]NFL - The next areas of improvement for Robert Griffin III - ESPN[/url]

"masterful", "tremendous" ... yup. Those are the adjectives used to describe someone consistently getting out coached.

Just throwing it out there.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;956374]The good thing about playing Niles now is that it ends the whole debate as to if he's a good TE worth keeping next year. His opportunity is now; not next year, Now![/quote]

This.

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[quote=The Goat;956365]7. Last but not least, RG3 is the man. He's doing it all out there...[/quote]

Yes. He is the man. No, he's not doing it all. The line is blocking well, WR's are stepping up and AlMo is making yards ... and some superlative coaching is creating opportunities for RGIII to be "the man".

[quote]Clearly, Griffin is extremely confident in his abilities, as he should be, but [B]great coaching has kept that confidence and his overall effectiveness at a very high level[/B].[/quote]

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8535104/nfl-next-areas-improvement-robert-griffin-iii]NFL - The next areas of improvement for Robert Griffin III - ESPN[/url]

As to Paul, he has been less than overwhelming, but I saw more than a few solid blocks. Gotta improve the hands but he is far from the worst player out there.

That would be Polumbus.

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The truth is Niles Paul simply isn't that good of a WR let alone a good TE. He might eventually become one but right now I wouldn't really try count on him too much at the TE position.

He's a great special teams player and a great down field blocker though and I think he can be of help as a Flex TE/WR but that's about it.

Where's Cooley at? I need him to start ballin' like it 2007.

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[quote=SmootSmack;956376]Do a search[/quote]

Buy a sarcasm detector!

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Some people really need to watch the all 22 film more often. Well, maybe not. Still gotta know what you're looking at. Just saying.

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[quote=Mattyk;956389]Some people really need to watch the all 22 film more often. Well, maybe not. Still gotta know what you're looking at. Just saying.[/quote]

Don't have it. What would I have seen relevant to this discussion?

I already pointed out that its a good thing that Paulsen and Cooley are backing up Paul. Why? Because when the ball goes through Pauls hands there is someone there to catch it!


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[quote=Mattyk;956389]Some people really need to watch the all 22 film more often. Well, maybe not. Still gotta know what you're looking at. Just saying.[/quote]


LOL. Yeah, I don't think it would really matter with some people. Played Madden way too much now all of a sudden, they can tell you schemes you should be running, and what plays to run which will not cause INTs/fumbles. Also find it hilarious that they claim a person can't block all because he missed a pickup that caused a sack. YET, he's one of the better blockers on offense.

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[quote=Monkeydad;956387]Buy a sarcasm detector![/quote]

I sold it to jdc65

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[quote=NC_Skins;956399]LOL. Yeah, I don't think it would really matter with some people. Played Madden way too much now all of a sudden, they can tell you schemes you should be running, and what plays to run which will not cause INTs/fumbles. Also find it hilarious that they claim a person can't block all because he missed a pickup that caused a sack. YET, he's one of the better blockers on offense.[/quote]

He is one of the better blockers on team but missed a pivotal play which could have been much worse. Hence the move to TE, but at lease he catches everything...oh wait

Pauleson had a great game and is a much much better player than Paul. I just hope Niles is up to the task and puts everything together on the field this weekend. Like Shannon Sharpe said, the next move is out the door.

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You guys aren't serious when you say Paul is a good blocker, right? He's missed many, many, many blocks all season, not just in NY.

Why does the Madden thing come up so much? I've never played it, haven't had video games since Sega lol. Can you really learn that much from a video game?

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[quote=The Goat;956426]You guys aren't serious when you say Paul is a good blocker, right? He's missed many, many, many blocks all season, not just in NY.

Why does the Madden thing come up so much? I've never played it, haven't had video games since Sega lol. Can you really learn that much from a video game?[/quote]

Im with ya, I think the only guys who play Madden are the ones who bring it up all the time.

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Went to the game with my brother overall had a good time, had some good banter with the migget fans. TRUST ME when I say this they KNOW RGIII is the truth (as long as he stays healthy). Couldn't understand why they would think I would give them a HIGH 5's for a good migget play that will never happen, I do shake hands at the end of good games though. IMO a win is a win no matter how it happens but the miggets know they got away with one there. I voted other the game came down to a mental lapse IMO.

[QUOTE=NYCskinfan82;956478]Went to the game with my brother overall had a good time, had some good banter with the migget fans. TRUST ME when I say this they KNOW RGIII is the truth (as long as he stays healthy). Couldn't understand why they would think I would give them a HIGH 5's for a good migget play that will never happen, I do shake hands at the end of good games though. IMO a win is a win no matter how it happens but the miggets know they got away with one there. I voted other the game came down to a mental lapse IMO.[/QUOTE]

Is migget - midget? My friend was there he isnt a big football fan but had never been to a game before and his girlfriend and her family are all Giants fans. I was like dude you know you saw a great game rite? Even he understood what he saw. Were there alot of Skins fans - usually when i go to a giants skins game there are a good turnout of us.


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You are right with the midget but I've always typed it migget. There was a good SKINS turnout.