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[quote=tryfuhl;780844]former cornerback, defensive coach and yes, coordinator[/quote]

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Fire Haslett, hire Fisher. Haynesworth becomes defensive MVP. Super Bowl!!!

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[quote=SkinzWin;780847]A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Fire Haslett, hire Fisher. Haynesworth becomes defensive MVP. Super Bowl!!![/quote]

Firing Shanahan and hiring Fisher = dumb

Firing Haslett and hiring Fisher = brilliant

Make him the highest paid DC in the league and let's call it a day

I know, total Madden move, but it still sounds good

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I say yeah, Fire Haslett and make another contract that we will hopefully make good on or if not be satisfied with Shanahan. Years back we had a contract term with GWilliams that if he wasnt the heir apparent to Gibbs we would pay him extra $million/s. We let him go and somehow elevated Blache and hired Zorn and elevated Zorn. We got triple screwed . Maybe we can lure in a great mind and have a fail safe when Shanahan fails to live up to his own ego/shadow.

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[quote=Mattyk;780850]Firing Shanahan and hiring Fisher = dumb

Firing Haslett and hiring Fisher = brilliant

Make him the highest paid DC in the league and let's call it a day

I know, total Madden move, but it still sounds good[/quote]

Shanahan and Fisher share a connection when they worked for the 49ers, Shanahan as OC and Fisher as DC.

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I'm pretty stunned that the Titans let Fisher go. I didn't see that one coming. And it's too late for Fisher to get a HC gig in the NFL so if he still wants to be a HC he's gonna have to wait a year. What would be scary is if he is willing to be a d-coordinator and the Eagles get him, I think he'd be able to do a bang up job with that d.

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[quote=mooby;780854]I'm pretty stunned that the Titans let Fisher go. I didn't see that one coming. And it's too late for Fisher to get a HC gig in the NFL so if he still wants to be a HC he's gonna have to wait a year. What would be scary is if he is willing to be a d-coordinator and the Eagles get him, I think he'd be able to do a bang up job with that d.[/quote]

Eagles already got Washburn as DC. Something smells rotten in Tenn. I think the owner is really pissed at him and waited till all the openings were filled before firing him.

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[quote=Mattyk;780850]Firing Shanahan and hiring Fisher = dumb

[B]Firing Haslett and hiring Fisher = brilliant[/B]

Make him the highest paid DC in the league and let's call it a day

I know, total Madden move, but it still sounds good[/quote]

So we cut our loses with the 3-4 defense and go back to the 4-3?

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[quote=skinsfan69;780839]To me Zorn seems like he over coaches the QB's. He should just go back to Seattle.[/quote]
Yep.
Hasselbeck is his only success. Hue Jackson has destroyed him in coaching the other two QBs there were under his tutelage.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;780842]Show me something that he has done better than Shanahan? Fisher is a decent coach, not great.

Shanahan:

Career record 138-90-0 (Regular Season)
8-5 (Postseason)
146-95-0 (Overall)

Fisher:

Career record 136-110-0 (Regular season)
5-6 (Postseason)
141-116-0 (Overall)[/quote]

Fisher's teams had to play against Manning (within the division) and Brady for a lot of these years. Not an excuse, but definitely a huge hurdle to overcome in the playoffs.

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[quote=Ruhskins;780871]Fisher's teams had to play against Manning (within the division) and Brady for a lot of these years. Not an excuse, but definitely a huge hurdle to overcome in the playoffs.[/quote]

Gibbs had to coach against Parcells, Jimmy Johnson and Buddy Ryan. No excuses!!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;780873]Gibbs had to coach against Parcells, Jimmy Johnson and Buddy Ryan. No excuses!![/quote]

Different NFL. I'm not making excuses, just putting things into perspective. Also, I don't think Fisher is a better coach than MS, just pointing something that I'm sure affected Fisher's playoffs record.

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[quote=Ruhskins;780875]Different NFL. I'm not making excuses, just putting things into perspective. Also, I don't think Fisher is a better coach than MS, just pointing something that I'm sure affected Fisher's playoffs record.[/quote]

If anything, competition should make him a better coach. He had lots of talent but couldn't win the big one in 16 years. If I was a Titans fan I would also welcome the change. If you had a coach for 16 years and makes it to the playoffs here and there but not more, wouldn't you want a change? I want championships!!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;780877]If anything, competition should make him a better coach. He had lots of talent but couldn't win the big one in 16 years. If I was a Titans fan I would also welcome the change.[/quote]

Well if you were a Titans' fan you'd be concerned at Bud Adams' ownership.

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Fisher has only had 6 winning seasons out of 17? Is that correct

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[quote=skinsfaninok;780881]Fisher has only had 6 winning seasons out of 17? Is that correct[/quote]

Team Year Regular Season Post Season
Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
HOU 1994 1 5 0 .167 4th in AFC Central - - - -
HOU 1995 7 9 0 .438 3rd in AFC Central - - - -
HOU 1996 8 8 0 .500 4th in AFC Central - - - -
TEN 1997 8 8 0 .500 3rd in AFC Central - - - -
TEN 1998 8 8 0 .500 2nd in AFC Central - - - -
TEN 1999 13 3 0 .813 2nd in AFC Central 3 1 .750 Lost to St. Louis Rams in Super Bowl XXXIV.
TEN 2000 13 3 0 .813 1st in AFC Central 0 1 .000 Lost to Baltimore Ravens in AFC Divisional Game.
TEN 2001 7 9 0 .438 4th in AFC Central - - - -
TEN 2002 11 5 0 .688 1st in AFC South 1 1 .500 Lost to Oakland Raiders in AFC Championship Game.
TEN 2003 12 4 0 .750 2nd in AFC South 1 1 .500 Lost to New England Patriots in AFC Divisional Game.
TEN 2004 5 11 0 .313 3rd in AFC South - - - -
TEN 2005 4 12 0 .250 3rd in AFC South - - - -
TEN 2006 8 8 0 .500 2nd in AFC South - - - -
TEN 2007 10 6 0 .625 3rd in AFC South 0 1 .000 Lost to San Diego Chargers in AFC Wild-Card Game.
TEN 2008 13 3 0 .813 1st in AFC South 0 1 .000 Lost to Baltimore Ravens in AFC Divisional Game.
TEN 2009 8 8 0 .500 3rd in AFC South - - - -
TEN 2010 6 10 0 .375 4th in AFC South - - - -
Total[5] 142 120 0 .542 5 6 .455

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Well when he does have a winning season at least it's with 12 plus wins

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I wonder if Fisher will take the TV route. Are there any open DC positions?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;780881]Fisher has only had 6 winning seasons out of 17? Is that correct[/quote]

Jack Pardee had 6 winning seasons in 11 years just like Fisher did in 16 years. Was Pardee a great coach? I don't think so.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;780886]Jack Pardee had 6 winning seasons in 11 years just like Fisher did in 16 years. Was Pardee a great coach? I don't think so.[/quote]

Well statistics show fish was a very good coach but not a great one. It's hard to be Joe Gibbs :)

And fish won't take a DC job are u guys smoking?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;780887]Well statistics show fish was a very good coach but not a great one. It's hard to be Joe Gibbs :)

And fish won't take a DC job are u guys smoking?[/quote]

He'll sit out the year and wait for next year when someone comes crawling for his services.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;780888]He'll sit out the year and wait for next year when someone comes crawling for his services.[/quote]

Well if we don't finish at least 8-8 we all know shanny will be on the hotseat

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[quote=skinsfaninok;780889]Well if we don't finish at least 8-8 we all know shanny will be on the hotseat[/quote]

I would give Shanahan 2 more years.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;780890]I would give Shanahan 2 more years.[/quote]

Agreed, although if he pulls stupid stuff like this year, it'd be hard to keep him for a third year. Although I really hope this doesn't happen, I hope that we turn it around this year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;780891]Agreed, although if he pulls stupid stuff like this year, it'd be hard to keep him for a third year. Although I really hope this doesn't happen, I hope that we turn it around this year.[/quote]

I think he already asserted himself and let everyone know who's the boss.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;780893]I think he already asserted himself and let everyone know who's the boss.[/quote]

Well that's great, but it gave us a shitty season. We have a lot of rebuilding to do, but it would be nice to see the team play well and for the team to avoid more drama between the coach and the players and to be competitive against teams instead of getting a beating like we got against the Eagles. Hopefully MS is done showing off who's the boss, and he can focus on improving this team.

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[quote=SkinzWin;780847]A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Fire Haslett, hire Fisher. Haynesworth becomes defensive MVP. Super Bowl!!![/quote]
It's highly doubtful that he'll take a coordinator position

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;780855]Eagles already got Washburn as DC. Something smells rotten in Tenn. I think the owner is really pissed at him and waited till all the openings were filled before firing him.[/quote]

Washburn is the Eagles d-line coach. The d-coordinator job is still open.

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[quote=Ruhskins;780894]Well that's great, but it gave us a shitty season. We have a lot of rebuilding to do, but it would be nice to see the team play well and for the team to avoid more drama between the coach and the players and to be competitive against teams instead of getting a beating like we got against the Eagles. Hopefully MS is done showing off who's the boss, and he can focus on improving this team.[/quote]

There was no way this Redskins team was going to be a playoff bound team from the get go. MS was/is the type of coach that all of us were begging to have, and now it seems like fans are complaining because he wants to have control of his team. Dysfunction begets a dysfunctional team. Discipline begets a disciplined team that wins more often than they lose.

Think of it like this. If a mechanic wants to rebuild an engine, he doesn't just simply add parts to it that he needs, he takes the engine apart, tests parts that he thinks works, gets the parts that he needs to replace, puts it together, and then tweaks it until he knows it working in unison with the other mechanical parts of the car. That's pretty much what Mike had to do this year. He's in the taking things apart and testing each piece deal. Next year, he knows a little more about what he needs and hopefully once he gets the pieces in place (which might take a couple more seasons,) he should then have a team that just takes a few tweaks here and there, but is ready to compete.

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[quote=skinsguy;780942]There was no way this Redskins team was going to be a playoff bound team from the get go. MS was/is the type of coach that all of us were begging to have, and now it seems like fans are complaining because he wants to have control of his team. Dysfunction begets a dysfunctional team. Discipline begets a disciplined team that wins more often than they lose.

Think of it like this. If a mechanic wants to rebuild an engine, he doesn't just simply add parts to it that he needs, he takes the engine apart, tests parts that he thinks works, gets the parts that he needs to replace, puts it together, and then tweaks it until he knows it working in unison with the other mechanical parts of the car. That's pretty much what Mike had to do this year. He's in the taking things apart and testing each piece deal. Next year, he knows a little more about what he needs and hopefully once he gets the pieces in place (which might take a couple more seasons,) he should then have a team that just takes a few tweaks here and there, but is ready to compete.[/quote]

I agree and was going to say the exact same thing but you beat me to it. I've come to the realization that the NFL is just like politics. No matter who is in power there are always going to be supporters and detractors. You are not going to be able to please everyone all the time.

I am also surprised by the number of people dumping on Shanny so soon. Yeah he didn't make some of the best calls, but when you are dealing with an ass clown like Haynesworth its not an easy situation to deal with. Things will get better... If people who are hating on Shanny already think Zorn or even Gibbs 2.0 could do a better job they need to start following a different sport.

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Well, I'll say this about Gibbs 2.0. For the mess that the Redskins were in before he came back, he did a great job with getting the team to two playoff appearances in four years. yeah, he had two losing seasons, but that was by far a lot better job than what we had witnessed with previous coaches. Personally, if not for age, Gibbs the second time around would have eventually built a great team, but I think he realized he wasn't going to be around past his initial contract, so he wanted to put together a team he felt could win right away.

As far as Zorn, he just was not given a chance to succeed. A great opportunity, but not one that he would have been very successful with.

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Sorry for the run on sentence...lol! That was terrible!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;780889]Well if we don't finish at least 8-8 we all know shanny will be on the hotseat[/quote]

I don't believe that at all. Does everyone understand what a sh**pile of an organization MS took over? He basically came into a team w/:

No QB
One of the worst, oldest o lines in the NFL
No #1 WR's
One overpaid malcontent

This team might go 8-8 next year, but not likely. Too many holes to fill. It's going to take another 2-3 years of good drafting.

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[quote=redsk1;780964]I don't believe that at all. Does everyone understand what a sh**pile of an organization MS took over? He basically came into a team w/:

No QB
One of the worst, oldest o lines in the NFL
No #1 WR's
One overpaid malcontent

This team might go 8-8 next year, but not likely. Too many holes to fill. It's going to take another 2-3 years of good drafting.[/quote]

What are you talking about?!?!?! The SECOND Shanny signed that contract it should have been an instant miracle... SUPER BOWL!!!! Since that didn't happen it is obvious he is a terrible coach and he should be fired immediately and replaced with Zorn. It's all happening for a reason. I can't believe you people DON'T SEE THIS?!?!!?!!!!!

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[quote=SkinzWin;780973]What are you talking about?!?!?! The SECOND Shanny signed that contract it should have been an instant miracle... SUPER BOWL!!!! Since that didn't happen it is obvious he is a terrible coach and he should be fired immediately and replaced with Zorn. It's all happening for a reason. I can't believe you people DON'T SEE THIS?!?!!?!!!!![/quote]


Exactly SzW you must be reading my mind. I saw it right away.

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[quote=skinsguy;780942]There was no way this Redskins team was going to be a playoff bound team from the get go. [B]MS was/is the type of coach that all of us were begging to have, and now it seems like fans are complaining because he wants to have control of his team. [/B]Dysfunction begets a dysfunctional team. Discipline begets a disciplined team that wins more often than they lose.

Think of it like this. If a mechanic wants to rebuild an engine, he doesn't just simply add parts to it that he needs, he takes the engine apart, tests parts that he thinks works, gets the parts that he needs to replace, puts it together, and then tweaks it until he knows it working in unison with the other mechanical parts of the car. That's pretty much what Mike had to do this year. He's in the taking things apart and testing each piece deal. Next year, he knows a little more about what he needs and hopefully once he gets the pieces in place (which might take a couple more seasons,) he should then have a team that just takes a few tweaks here and there, but is ready to compete.[/quote]

I totally agree with you. I think there is just no pleasing anyone or I should say no pleasing everyone. People finally got on a bandwagon together to get rid of Cerrato and Zorn and have Snyder stay out of the football decisions. We got that. Snyder hires Allen/Shanahan and people complained. Snyder said he would leave the football decisions to them. People complained about Haslett getting the DC job. People complained when they picked up McNabb. People complained at how Haynesworth was being treated. People complained about McNabb's benching. People complained about Haynesworth being suspended. People complained about McNabb being relegated to 3rd string.

I'm beginning to think people complain to just hear themselves complain since they don't have anything better to do. I'm actually excited about the disciplin. If you remember correctly when the Giants hired Tom Coughlin he came in and instilled disciplin also. The players complained (some), the fans complained, and reports were the HC might get fired. The second yr the team played better and the players stated they liked Coughlin. 2004 Coughlin got hired and made the play offs each yr and won the SB 3 yrs after his hiring in 2007.

People need to give this a chance. We can't keep on the course of picking up a new HC every 2 to 3 yrs. Most would agree it takes a HC 3 yrs to get a team in the right direction.... thats "if" they are rebuilding. I know we are not rebuilding but if you look at the sum of the whole, Shanahan had to bring in his style of WCO to the team and the defense completely changed scheme's with out having the right players to run it. So although the team is not in "rebuild" mode, they essentially are "rebuilding" this team. Zorn was the first to bring the WCO to Washington and most teams who switch take a few yrs to get the offense connecting. Zorn might have helped or started the transition for Shanahan but the scheme's are not completely the same.

All I'm saying is lets be patient and give Allen/Shanahan more then 1 or 2 yrs to get the right people in for the offense and defense before we lable Shanahan OR Haslett a bust. Also remember Haslett helped build the Steeler's defense and they have kept the same scheme even after he left. Haslett should understand their scheme and be able to impliment it, which I'm guessing is why Shanahan picked him for the job.

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Well... There goes my fire Haslett, hire Fisher idea.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/24728/fisher-not-headed-to-philly"]ESPN: Fisher not headed to Philly[/URL]

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[quote=SkinzWin;781015]Well... There goes my fire Haslett, hire Fisher idea.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/24728/fisher-not-headed-to-philly"]ESPN: Fisher not headed to Philly[/URL][/quote]

I love this last statement....

[quote]I'm sure several teams are privately upset that this divorce didn't occur earlier. Fisher would've been one the of the hottest names on the market.
[/quote]

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I was thinking that when I heard the announcement this morning actually. The Broncos got a great coach with John Fox and the 49ers could be in good shape with Harbaugh, but a few other teams have hired coaches already when Fisher would have been a superior candidate.

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[quote=SBXVII;781000]I totally agree with you. I think there is just no pleasing anyone or I should say no pleasing everyone. People finally got on a bandwagon together to get rid of Cerrato and Zorn and have Snyder stay out of the football decisions. We got that. Snyder hires Allen/Shanahan and people complained. Snyder said he would leave the football decisions to them. People complained about Haslett getting the DC job. People complained when they picked up McNabb. People complained at how Haynesworth was being treated. People complained about McNabb's benching. People complained about Haynesworth being suspended. People complained about McNabb being relegated to 3rd string.

I'm beginning to think people complain to just hear themselves complain since they don't have anything better to do. I'm actually excited about the disciplin. If you remember correctly when the Giants hired Tom Coughlin he came in and instilled disciplin also. The players complained (some), the fans complained, and reports were the HC might get fired. The second yr the team played better and the players stated they liked Coughlin. 2004 Coughlin got hired and made the play offs each yr and won the SB 3 yrs after his hiring in 2007.

People need to give this a chance. We can't keep on the course of picking up a new HC every 2 to 3 yrs. Most would agree it takes a HC 3 yrs to get a team in the right direction.... thats "if" they are rebuilding. I know we are not rebuilding but if you look at the sum of the whole, Shanahan had to bring in his style of WCO to the team and the defense completely changed scheme's with out having the right players to run it. So although the team is not in "rebuild" mode, they essentially are "rebuilding" this team. Zorn was the first to bring the WCO to Washington and most teams who switch take a few yrs to get the offense connecting. Zorn might have helped or started the transition for Shanahan but the scheme's are not completely the same.

All I'm saying is lets be patient and give Allen/Shanahan more then 1 or 2 yrs to get the right people in for the offense and defense before we lable Shanahan OR Haslett a bust. Also remember Haslett helped build the Steeler's defense and they have kept the same scheme even after he left. Haslett should understand their scheme and be able to impliment it, which I'm guessing is why Shanahan picked him for the job.[/quote]

Coughlin adapted just a bit to his players. Not too much, but some. The criticisms were mainly from them not winning. Mike Shanahan does deserve a few years to make his mark, but if doesn't show much progress in that timeframe, the complainers are only going to get louder. Hopefully, it all turns out good in the end.

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[quote=skinsguy;780942]There was no way this Redskins team was going to be a playoff bound team from the get go. MS was/is the type of coach that all of us were begging to have, and now it seems like fans are complaining because he wants to have control of his team. Dysfunction begets a dysfunctional team. Discipline begets a disciplined team that wins more often than they lose.

Think of it like this. If a mechanic wants to rebuild an engine, he doesn't just simply add parts to it that he needs, he takes the engine apart, tests parts that he thinks works, gets the parts that he needs to replace, puts it together, and then tweaks it until he knows it working in unison with the other mechanical parts of the car. That's pretty much what Mike had to do this year. He's in the taking things apart and testing each piece deal. Next year, he knows a little more about what he needs and hopefully once he gets the pieces in place (which might take a couple more seasons,) he should then have a team that just takes a few tweaks here and there, but is ready to compete.[/quote]

Mike Shanahan didn't take the engine totally apart and rebuild with brand spanking new parts. He wanted to "win soon", which means finding scrap parts from various places and hoping it would all work in the end. That's why he didn't jettison AH, brought in Mcflabb, brought LJ, brought in Parker, brought in Kemo.