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[QUOTE=memphisskin;467078]You're absolutely right, because there is no way in the world they can continue to look this bad. Peter King did say Campbell was going to have a great year based on one practice, so these last two games of him looking like crap don't really matter because its just the preseason.

DId you watch this game? Because this isn't a butt whipping, this is public flogging.

The only good news is that we've got a Superhero on defense. Jason Taylor is Mr Fantastic.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of Mr. Taylor, are there any updates or do we have to wait till tomorrow for an MRI. Is the knee swelling? Who cares about this game. Taylor's status is the prominent issue tonight.

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After watching that outing I think I would have preferred the commercials.

Thank goodness it was only a preseason game because that performance stunk worse than a crap sandwich.

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ha! fuck! we play jacksonsville thursday, they have a better D than panthers...

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Jesus, we play the Jaguars next week??? Another elite defense??? Damn.

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[QUOTE=MiraclesHappen07;467088]ha! fuck! we play jacksonsville thursday, they have a better D than panthers...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, we're screwed.

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Jacksonville, Oh No, Greg wil get to Punk our offense.

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I'm just glad that one's in the books! Look forward to next week, and it's a short one!

It's only pre-season folks even though we looked really bad, that can change in a hurry. We have some work to do nothing more than that.

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They won't play their starters more than a few series...we should only struggle for about 1 qtr next week....lmfao.

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well...like i said earlier...bryon leftwitch is looking better than our Qba!!!!!!! hahahaha

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[QUOTE=ChillWill;467092]Jacksonville, Oh No, Greg wil get to Punk our offense.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure G-Will would love to keep our team to 49 yds in the first half.

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Oline looked horrible, Jansen was bad...some interior guys were bad...even samuels.
Jason Campbell was horrendous, Davic was ok, McMullen was ok, Devin Thomas did nothing, horton did nothing special Morton started out great with 4 great plays then got smoked on 3 bad angles for mis tackles for TDs...smoot missed a couple major tackles for tds,
LBs pretty much were not factors which is scary....Frost was fairly good.
Back up QBs nothing special...Rodgers looked ok based on injury but didn't make a dive attempt to stop a TD...MLB was shockingly poor...EJames played well as well as A Carter except for Running D...our Dtackles were ok but nothing special...
Before the injury Jason Taylor was ok but didn't do much on running plays...

Overall, we got our butts kicked and I cant even find a single play, offense defense special teams that we could hang our hat on....maybe the 65 yard punt...really REALLy bad.

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[QUOTE=MiraclesHappen07;467069]well tyron hasn't looked to bad tonight[/QUOTE]

For him that means he didn't get smoked for TD's...of course, I dont think he was playing against 1st teamers anymore

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Where is the usual press conference for Zorn post game? I don't see a link anywhere on Redskins.com???

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;467100]Oline looked horrible, Jansen was bad...some interior guys were bad...even samuels.
Jason Campbell was horrendous, Davic was ok, McMullen was ok, Devin Thomas did nothing, horton did nothing special Morton started out great with 4 great plays then got smoked on 3 bad angles for mis tackles for TDs...smoot missed a couple major tackles for tds,
LBs pretty much were not factors which is scary....Frost was fairly good.
Back up QBs nothing special...Rodgers looked ok based on injury but didn't make a dive attempt to stop a TD...MLB was shockingly poor...EJames played well as well as A Carter except for Running D...our Dtackles were ok but nothing special...
Before the injury Jason Taylor was ok but didn't do much on running plays...

Overall, we got our butts kicked and I cant even find a single play, offense defense special teams that we could hang our hat on....maybe the 65 yard punt...really REALLy bad.[/QUOTE]
[B]
Seems[/B] like the Defense as a whole sucked tonight. D-Line really sucked tonight. If you can't pressure the QB you put a lot of pressure on your secondary. BUt that still is no excuse for the secondary. Just looking at the stats not many of the starters had tackles..Most had none..If our D-line doesn't get it together..We are going to get picked apart all year when we face good QBs. Maybe I am wrong though...

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;467100]Oline looked horrible, Jansen was bad...some interior guys were bad...even samuels.
Jason Campbell was horrendous, Davic was ok, McMullen was ok, Devin Thomas did nothing, horton did nothing special Morton started out great with 4 great plays then got smoked on 3 bad angles for mis tackles for TDs...smoot missed a couple major tackles for tds,
LBs pretty much were not factors which is scary....Frost was fairly good.
Back up QBs nothing special...Rodgers looked ok based on injury but didn't make a dive attempt to stop a TD...MLB was shockingly poor...EJames played well as well as A Carter except for Running D...our Dtackles were ok but nothing special...
Before the injury Jason Taylor was ok but didn't do much on running plays...

Overall, we got our butts kicked and I cant even find a single play, offense defense special teams that we could hang our hat on....maybe the 65 yard punt...really REALLy bad.[/QUOTE]

I think what scares me the most is the defense stinking it up. I mean even when our offense sucked in the past couple of seasons, the D held things up.

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well im out of here, have good night everyone!!! and dont have to many bad dreams about the horrendous night, or what might happen when we meet good Old Greg

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Reed Doughty sucks ass! He was exposed tonight

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[QUOTE=Stacks42;467106]Reed Doughty sucks ass! He was exposed tonight[/QUOTE]

The entire defense sucked ass.

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Coaching is to blame too...no adjustments.
Why start passing at your own 10....twice....and they game planned...dont they know the panthers have a great dline?

You need to run right at them...especially to get the oline going...then after seeing the struggles...no shifting to shotgun..

I wont even mention the defensive lack of attacking...to vanilla, easy to pick apart..i sure hope we do more on defense.

The coach has a positive perspetive on Jason Taylor speaking with Sonny

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Im listening to Zorn and he is so even keeled about this...I dont like this...Id hope he be screaming

Jason taylor ex-rays are negative...MRI pending tommorrow

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;467108]The entire defense sucked ass.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but to me, there were some real red flags, and Doughty was one of them. Not just in pass coverage, but in run defense. He had a perfect angle on one of the long TD runs (lost track of exactly which one it was) and completely whiffed.

He has always been the weak link in the secondary. The question is if he truly doesn't belong in the starting lineup, and if there's no one else who can take his place, how much of a defeciency does he present for the defense as a whole?

Maybe it was just a bad game. But let's just say that I've always had my doubts about that guy.

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Interesting that Dr. James Andrews was at the game with the team. Is that guy on our payroll?

Hopefully just a sprain- Zorn seems to think it's either high or low ankle, not knee. hmmmmm

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Im starting to think our offensive line is designed for a Don Coryell style of offense...run first to set up play action.

I dont know if our line is prepared to go back on their heels to pass protect so often.
Our line is a smash mouth line that like to move forward.
I really think the transition of the oline has been overlooked

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[quote=Beemnseven;467113]Yes, but to me, there were some real red flags, and Doughty was one of them. Not just in pass coverage, but in run defense. He had a perfect angle on one of the long TD runs (lost track of exactly which one it was) and completely whiffed.

He has always been the weak link in the secondary. The question is if he truly doesn't belong in the starting lineup, and if there's no one else who can take his place, how much of a defeciency does he present for the defense as a whole?

Maybe it was just a bad game. But let's just say that I've always had my doubts about that guy.[/quote]

The defense overall was just totally abysmal. They did absolutely nothing wrong. I fault the O-line primarily for the offensive problems, but the D stunk out loud in every facet. Big time stench.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;467109]Coaching is to blame too...no adjustments.
Why start passing at your own 10....twice....and they game planned...dont they know the panthers have a great dline?

You need to run right at them...especially to get the oline going...then after seeing the struggles...no shifting to shotgun..

I wont even mention the defensive lack of attacking...to vanilla, easy to pick apart..i sure hope we do more on defense.

The coach has a positive perspetive on Jason Taylor speaking with Sonny[/QUOTE]

The way Campbell was holding on to the ball, it appears he also forgot that the Panthers have a good d-line.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;467117]The way Campbell was holding on to the ball, it appears he also forgot that the Panthers have a good d-line.[/QUOTE]

good point...he was way slower in the last 2 games than in the first 2...especially tonight

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;467113]Yes, but to me, there were some real red flags, and Doughty was one of them. Not just in pass coverage, but in run defense. He had a perfect angle on one of the long TD runs (lost track of exactly which one it was) and completely whiffed.

He has always been the weak link in the secondary. The question is if he truly doesn't belong in the starting lineup, and if there's no one else who can take his place, how much of a defeciency does he present for the defense as a whole?

Maybe it was just a bad game. But let's just say that I've always had my doubts about that guy.[/QUOTE]

I think Doughty is a good player but just average. He is not an elite Safety, and this is what happens when the rest of the defense faulters, you can't depend on him to save the game.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;467119]good point...he was way slower in the last 2 games than in the first 2...especially tonight[/QUOTE]

I hope Zorn coaches him on this area this week. You can't hold on to the ball with Peppers out there. I'm not sure if he should have gone outside of the pocket or not, but he either needed to buy himself more time or just get rid of it. Otherwise, he's going to get killed by the Jax D-Line next week.

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I must have missed this earlier Jansen hurt with ankle injury, not sure if high or low. Just caught this on the post-game interview with Zorn on Comcast w/B Mitch & Co.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;467123]I must have missed this earlier Jansen hurt with ankle injury, not sure if high or low. Just caught this on the post-game interview with Zorn on Comcast w/B Mitch & Co.[/QUOTE]

Really? How bad is it?

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Seems very strange tonight that with the way the Panthers consistenlty blitz backers all night we never once attempted a pitch outside to our backs to negate the constant rush. Almost as if we either did not want to show our playbook or Zorn is a horrible play caller.

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[quote=Ruhskins;467125]Really? How bad is it?[/quote]

They don't know. Depends on if the 'sprain' is high or low. That has a lot to do with come back time, you can usually come back much quicker with a low sprain..have to wait and see. Another bad start for Jansen.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;467130]They don't know. Depends on if the 'sprain' is high or low. That has a lot to do with come back time, you can usually come back much quicker with a low sprain..have to wait and see. Another bad start for Jansen.[/QUOTE]

He's been getting beat for a sack in each of these preseason games. Sometimes I wonder if the window is closing on Jon Jansen.

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I don't want to hit the panic button or anything, but I will make the following points:

1. Jim Zorn comes out of an organization that never did well on the road. He has to learn how to show up for away games.

2. Pass protection is a big part of competing on the road. You cannot play a team like Carolina and expect to protect the passer with 5 guys. It just doesn't work.

3. I see nothing in Devin Thomas that makes me care if he makes the final roster.

4. The Redskins have 11 days to GTST. If I were Zorn I would think about leaning on the run and maybe playing field position.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;467115]Im starting to think our offensive line is designed for a Don Coryell style of offense...run first to set up play action.

I dont know if our line is prepared to go back on their heels to pass protect so often.
Our line is a smash mouth line that like to move forward.
I really think the transition of the oline has been overlooked[/QUOTE]

I don't think so. The running game is the same, and as far as the passing game goes, this 'West Coast' system gets the ball out faster than under the Coryell scheme.

This is a veteran line that has seen just about everything. No excuses for a performance like we saw tonight.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;467131]He's been getting beat for a sack in each of these preseason games. Sometimes I wonder if the window is closing on Jon Jansen.[/QUOTE]

Yeah this is not good. Makes me wonder if the team should have gotten a lineman in the 2nd round instead of a 2nd WR (or Davis???). I just hope we have enough talent in the backups should he go down again (or keep getting beaten)

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Damn.. over 500 posts already? ... All I have to say is that was a nightmare out there tonight. I think a lot of it was mental death.. it is just not a happy place for the Skins right now. We've had too much loss over the last year and I think the team didn't even show up. Their heads were way off somewhere else, thinking about pain and loss.

I REALLY hope Jason Taylor is ok... I love my Skins, and I think they will bounce back.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;467134]I don't want to hit the panic button or anything, but I will make the following points:

1. Jim Zorn comes out of an organization that never did well on the road. He has to learn how to show up for away games.

2. Pass protection is a big part of competing on the road. You cannot play a team like Carolina and expect to protect the passer with 5 guys. It just doesn't work.

3. I see nothing in Devin Thomas that makes me care if he makes the final roster.

4. The Redskins have 11 days to GTST. If I were Zorn I would think about leaning on the run and maybe playing field position.[/QUOTE]

On points 2 and 4, I agree; though I don't think Zorn has given up on the run.

Zorn was the quarterback coach in Seattle. His responsibilities at that rank had nothing to do with how the Seahawks performed on the road. And you might as well get used to the idea of Devin Thomas being on the final roster, because their top pick in the 2008 draft is going to make this team whether his limited action in preseason warrants it or not.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;467136]Yeah this is not good. Makes me wonder if the team should have gotten a lineman in the 2nd round instead of a 2nd WR (or Davis???). I just hope we have enough talent in the backups should he go down again (or keep getting beaten)[/QUOTE]


I would have liked to see another lineman taken somewhere in the second round of the draft this year, but receiver was a need too. I also think they like what they see in Stephon Heyer, at least in spot duty. Rinehart looks decent as well.

You also have to figure that Jansen has missed basically 2 out of the past 4 seasons, so there has to be some technique lost along the way.

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[quote=Beemnseven;467138]On points 2 and 4, I agree; though I don't think Zorn has given up on the run.

Zorn was the quarterback coach in Seattle. His responsibilities at that rank had nothing to do with how the Seahawks performed on the road. And you might as well get used to the idea of Devin Thomas being on the final roster, because their top pick in the 2008 draft is going to make this team whether his limited action in preseason warrants it or not.[/quote]

I'm totally prepared for the fact that they willl keep him, but it doesb't make it right. Bobby Beathard was much more renowned than Vinny and Walter Murray still got the axe. I think it would send a powerful message. That looked like a team that is in paycheck gathering mode to me. They need to get serious and Zorn needs to start making them get serious.

Also, Zorn as QB Coach was part and parcel of how that team performed on the road. And going to Dallas, NY, and Philly is a damned sight harder than St. Louis, Arizona, and SF.