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[quote=MTK;1194118]I don’t think we’re done looking at guards, a decent vet could easily hit the market[/quote]

Could?
That is great planning by our FO. Could.
I see how this works, we could win the Super Bowl.
I am sorry Matty, I do not mean to come off as an asshole to you. I am just tired of our FO putting us in this situation for two years in a row. We fail twice to properly address this huge hole in our starting line up.

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One thing that should be said is we cant expect to get everything we need in the draft...simply rarely happens. Also, we didn't reach and got guys we believe in..

When looking at totals, its pretty shocking to me...not a lot of actual Guards drafted:

[url=http://insider.espn.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/id/47/year/2018/offensive-guards]2018 NFL Draft Results by Position - Offensive Guards - ESPN[/url]

5 in the first 2 rounds...none in the 3rd/4th...5 taken in the late rounds. Simply not enough talent.

And in the first two rounds, Austin Corbett was a god aweful, terrible reach from the Browns. Conner Williams has never played Guard and is projected there...meaning he is a project and not a strong prospect.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1194120]Yeah I get that...but McClain and Stacy McGee really didn't put it together. So really 2 moves at the same position. 1 I can deal with...but 2 fairly large contracts in free agency same year?



Come'on, that's weak.



McClain was terrible...McGee was JAG. that's some serious scrilla for the worst run defense in the league.[/QUOTE]


Enter Payne and Settle...

They obviously saw the problem and addressed it, hopefully the results are much better

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1194125]Could?

That is great planning by our FO. Could.

I see how this works, we could win the Super Bowl.

I am sorry Matty, I do not mean to come off as an asshole to you. I am just tired of our FO putting us in this situation for two years in a row. We fail twice to properly address this huge hole in our starting line up.[/QUOTE]


Should, feel better?

They obviously felt that bigger holes needed to be addressed in the draft

Doesn’t mean the process of filling out the roster is over

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[quote=Defensewins;1194125]Could?
That is great planning by our FO. Could.
I see how this works, we could win the Super Bowl.
I am sorry Matty, I do not mean to come off as an asshole to you. I am just tired of our FO putting us in this situation for two years in a row. We fail twice to properly address this huge hole in our starting line up.[/quote]

You don't necessarily use the draft to address a need. By that, I'm saying, you don't reach for a guy and draft him higher, even though he would fill an area of need, you'd draft the best player available at the spot or the best player on your draft board at that time. Sometimes, the position you have a need for has a player, who's the best pick at that spot, and you draft him. Sometimes, it doesn't happen that way.

For example, there is a position you really need filled - let's say it's CB. You're picking 54th. There is a CB that is available and he's rated to go, no worse than 54th. Let's say there's an ILB, who's rated to go 34th, but for some reason or another, he fell in the draft and is available. Well, let's say you don't have a need at ILB, and your draft board says you draft that corner at 54th. This would be the case in which you draft for need. You're not reaching for the guy, he was rated to be drafted at, or earlier, than your pick and is available.

But on the flipside, say that CB was rated to go 72nd in the draft, you're picking 54th. You're not reaching for that corner, even though that would fill and area of need. You're either trading down the draft and picking up more picks and possibly trading down far enough to still draft the CB, or you're drafting best player available, which could be that ILB that was rated to go 34th. Do you understand how it works?

It appears that the front office ignores some areas of need, but you also have to understand that you can't go out and fill every single area of need in one or two drafts. Even then, sometimes free agency fills that need, or sometimes you find diamonds in the rough free agents out of college that go undrafted. Remember, this is where Bobby Beathard buttered his bread (wanted that to be a tongue twister lol!) It wasn't that he was going out and filling those teams with first round and second round picks. He was, often, filling those championship squads with diamonds in the rough guys; guys traded from other teams, undrafted guys, guys from the USFL, etc...

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[quote=metalskins;1194137]You don't necessarily use the draft to address a need. By that, I'm saying, you don't reach for a guy and draft him higher, even though he would fill an area of need, you'd draft the best player available at the spot or the best player on your draft board at that time. Sometimes, the position you have a need for has a player, who's the best pick at that spot, and you draft him. Sometimes, it doesn't happen that way.

For example, there is a position you really need filled - let's say it's CB. You're picking 54th. There is a CB that is available and he's rated to go, no worse than 54th. Let's say there's an ILB, who's rated to go 34th, but for some reason or another, he fell in the draft and is available. Well, let's say you don't have a need at ILB, and your draft board says you draft that corner at 54th. This would be the case in which you draft for need. You're not reaching for the guy, he was rated to be drafted at, or earlier, than your pick and is available.

But on the flipside, say that CB was rated to go 72nd in the draft, you're picking 54th. You're not reaching for that corner, even though that would fill and area of need. You're either trading down the draft and picking up more picks and possibly trading down far enough to still draft the CB, or you're drafting best player available, which could be that ILB that was rated to go 34th. Do you understand how it works?

It appears that the front office ignores some areas of need, but you also have to understand that you can't go out and fill every single area of need in one or two drafts. Even then, sometimes free agency fills that need, or sometimes you find diamonds in the rough free agents out of college that go undrafted. Remember, this is where Bobby Beathard buttered his bread (wanted that to be a tongue twister lol!) It wasn't that he was going out and filling those teams with first round and second round picks. He was, often, filling those championship squads with diamonds in the rough guys; guys traded from other teams, undrafted guys, guys from the USFL, etc...[/quote]


Check out Joe Jacoby as maybe the best Redskins example of a successful UDFA.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1194138]Check out Joe Jacoby as maybe the best Redskins example of a successful UDFA.[/quote]

Absolutely excellent example!

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1194117]We should not be in this position.

We did not address our biggest or second biggest need in our starting line up for a second year in a row. Who in our fucking awesome FO thought Kouandijo or a UDFA starting at LG is conducive to winning?

Why do we we cheap out at Oline but have millions for an oft injured 3rd string WR or an old slot CB?[/QUOTE]



I understand your frustration, but i think you’re overreacting a bit.

- looking over our roster, left guard is the only position where we do not have a clear starter and backup. That’s far better than where we have been in a long long time

- if theres any position to have questions about, Id say offensive guard is one of, if not the “best” one. Offensive guard is the most easily replaceable position in the NFL. We have 2 other offensive lineman who are arguably top 3 in their position and a 3rd (moses) who is near pro-bowl level. Even without the left guard situation resolved, i think most of the other teams in the league would swap o-lines with us in a heartbeat.

- the start of the season is 4 months away. Almost every year, we pick up a surprise cut late in the offseason who becomes a key contributor to this team. Really good guards are going to get cut by other teams in Salary-cap moves.

- even jf we don’t find an adequate guard among the guys on the roster, and even if we don’t sign a veteran later in the offseason, Shawn Lauvao is out there. He’s be more than serviceable as our “last resort” option.

In the end, Its simply too early to panic about the guard spot. If we’re in the same spot in mid July, then I’ll get concerned.


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The Redskins UDFAs signed ;
#2 RB
#3 OL
#6 TE
#4 DB

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000930204/article/top-undrafted-free-agents-following-the-2018-nfl-draft]Top undrafted free agents following the 2018 NFL Draft - NFL.com[/url]

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The way some of you talk you'd think we were going out there with a HS roster, remember we were the number 1 rush defense before Allen and Ionnadis got hurt. No matter what we do it seems like half of you will complain to the point of non sense.

I wonder everyone is in agreement it seems that the Cowboys have the best OL in football, without looking it up how many of you could tell me who the LG is??

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1194147]
I wonder everyone is in agreement it seems that the Cowboys have the best OL in football, without looking it up how many of you could tell me who the LG is??[/quote]

The problem is Jay Gruden doesn't know who his own LG will be week 1.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1194147]The way some of you talk you'd think we were going out there with a HS roster, remember we were the number 1 rush defense before Allen and Ionnadis got hurt. No matter what we do it seems like half of you will complain to the point of non sense.

[B]I wonder everyone is in agreement it seems that the Cowboys have the best OL in football, without looking it up how many of you could tell me who the LG is??[/quote]
[/B]


Collins? IDK tho

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Random thought.. is Eric Reid any good? vs our existing safeties? he's filed a grievance against league related to colusion etc so that sucks - but he's a capable young player and if we nab him at a team friendly deal could mitigate some of the newbie play at CB.. unless montae is definitely legit

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[quote=jamf;1194150]The problem is Jay Gruden doesn't know who his own LG will be week 1.[/quote]

Week 1 is 4 months from now, there are multiple camps and pre-season to figure that out

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[quote=ethat001;1194152]Random thought.. is Eric Reid any good? vs our existing safeties? he's filed a grievance against league related to colusion etc so that sucks - but he's a capable young player and if we nab him at a team friendly deal could mitigate some of the newbie play at CB.. unless montae is definitely legit[/quote]

No he was a bust

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1194154]No he was a bust[/quote]

How exactly was he a bust?? He's been to a pro bowl and has been a good safety his entire career. He isn't elite but he is far from bust.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1194155]How exactly was he a bust?? He's been to a pro bowl and has been a good safety his entire career. He isn't elite but he is far from bust.[/quote]

Eric Reid was a PB? Damn well I stand corrected.

As for safeties , Isn't Kenny Vaccaro still available as well? In fact has any S been signed this OS?

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I would not oppose to the idea of bringing Reid in although I am not sure where he will fit in since we just drafted Apke, and we still have Smithson and Everette as back up.. I would not mind if we cut Everette to sign Reid but then, would Reid accept back-up role?

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[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/sports/redskins-cheerleaders-nfl.amp.html[/url]

Whoa.


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1194154]No he was a bust[/quote]

He's a solid player on some really bad teams with 3 or 4 coaching changes.
He would be a good value guy to bring in and plays both safety positions.

The NFL is doing this kid dirty.
He's a top 10-15 safety in the league.

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[quote=itvnetop;1194159][url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/sports/redskins-cheerleaders-nfl.amp.html[/url]

Whoa.


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Can I blame Bruce for this?

This is pretty disgusting stuff.

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The league should do away with cheerleaders

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[quote=MTK;1194164]The league should do away with cheerleaders[/quote]

While this probably prevents so many issues within an organization, heads are going to roll once this gains traction in the national media. This is serious stuff.

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[quote=MTK;1194164]The league should do away with cheerleaders[/quote]

Another media bash coming to the racist team... GREAT

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1194166]Another media bash coming to the racist team... GREAT[/quote]

I think we should worry more about the facts:

1) The team transports the cheerleaders across international borders.
2) They take their passports away from them.
3) They're forced to take topless photos at a shoot in front of VIP guests, mostly men.
4) Some of them are coerced to escort special guests at a club.

I dunno, isn't there a word for this? Trafficking?

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[quote=itvnetop;1194168]I think we should worry more about the facts:

1) The team transports the cheerleaders across international borders.
2) They take their passports away from them.
3) They're forced to take topless photos at a shoot in front of VIP guests, mostly men.
4) Some of them are coerced to escort special guests at a club.

I dunno, isn't there a word for this? Trafficking?[/quote]

^^ This.

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[quote=jamf;1194163]Can I blame Bruce for this?

This is pretty disgusting stuff.[/quote]

Unfortunately, it seems that most NFL teams treat their cheerleaders like crap. Given how much the league has looked into domestic abuse and whatnot, they should really look into how teams treat their cheerleaders.

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[quote=itvnetop;1194168]I think we should worry more about the facts:

1) The team transports the cheerleaders across international borders.
2) They take their passports away from them.
3) They're forced to take topless photos at a shoot in front of VIP guests, mostly men.
4) Some of them are coerced to escort special guests at a club.

I dunno, isn't there a word for this? Trafficking?[/quote]

Holly Shit. What the hell are they thinking? After a fairly quit no drama off-season this crap has to come out. Who is making decisions like this?

So let me get this straight. They pimp out the cheerleaders to high-rolling season ticket holders. What the hell are they thinking?

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It's bad enough living in a different state and having to constantly defend/explain why the team name is not racial slur. Now, I also have to explain how I can be fan of a team that exploits and traffics women. What's next - homophobic or pro-ISIS comments from a team executive?

Everyone involved in this situation - as well as every executive who knew about it and did nothing, condoned it, or knowingly looked the other way - needs to lose their job.

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If any of ♤ is true, we're looking at heavy fines and/or loss of draft picks. Idiots.

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If we are lucky, they will take the team from Dan Snyder like they did to the Carolina owner

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[quote=jamf;1194163]Can I blame Bruce for this?

This is pretty disgusting stuff.[/quote]

Absolutely, He should go if true.

I wonder, only because of timing, if the guy fired from Buffalo had any connection to this stuff.

From the article:
[quote]What bothered them [B]was their team director’s demand that they go as sex symbols to please male sponsors,[/B] which they did not believe should be a part of their job.[/quote]

This was in 2013. Don't know if that director is still there, but if so, he/she needs to be gone asap.

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from [URL="https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-redskins-cheerleaders-detail-uneasy-2013-costa-rica-calendar-photo-shoot-trip-191757759.html"]yahoo[/URL], here's the team's response:
[QUOTE]The Redskins provided a statement to The New York Times that said: “The Redskins’ cheerleader program is one of the NFL’s premier teams in participation, professionalism, and community service. Each Redskin cheerleader is contractually protected to ensure a safe and constructive environment. The work our cheerleaders do in our community, visiting our troops abroad, and supporting our team on the field is something the Redskins organization and our fans take great pride in.”[/QUOTE]

That's pretty d*** bland considering the bombastic nature of the accusations.

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This is that dumb shit we are always moaning about happening to us.

What clown authorized this nonsense? If it's Bruce, yet another reason for him to walk. Whoever was involved in this needs to lose their jobs at a minimum, assuming they're still here.

As BHA said, this basically amounts to trafficking women. What kind of moron thought this would be a good idea? Fucking idiots. You never hear about the Steelers doing some dumb shit like this.

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Lil skeptical here...2013, 5 years ago?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1194183]Lil skeptical here...2013, 5 years ago?[/QUOTE]Yea. Like anything. It's never a bad thing to let all the facts come out before taking a position.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1194184]Yea. Like anything. It's never a bad thing to let all the facts come out before taking a position.

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True that..and you gotta consider the source.

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[edit, I just read the article, was worse than i thought]

I can't wait for Cooley to comment, his wife was a cheerleader 10 years ago and he may know many of them on the 2013 squad..

Look this is a horrible newsline, and if confirmed, I support fixing this and punishment for anyone involved (...anything except salary cap/draft picks). No one should be forced to be topless or be an escort.

My guess is hanging out with random guys is part of the cheerleader description -- but not as "escorts" and not selected for one-on-one at night...
And barely clad photo shoots for a cheerleaders are also incredibly common, although not topless with spectators...

I think they'd have to revisit cheerleader squads league-wide to standardize / regulate them, because I'd bet many go over the lines of what is reasonable..

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A left guard? Maybe

[url]https://www.profootballrumors.com/2018/05/49ers-to-decline-laken-tomlinsons-option[/url]

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1194190]A left guard? Maybe

[url]https://www.profootballrumors.com/2018/05/49ers-to-decline-laken-tomlinsons-option[/url][/QUOTE]He definitely would be more than a one year solution (26 years old).
Depending on his asking price, that would be yet another option.
There will be competition at the LG spot, which is what we want.

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