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[quote=FRPLG;955670]We probably already miss him. How could you even say we wont miss him when we haven't had him enough to know? We're sure as hell gonna miss him without Davis.[/quote]

Because Gaffney would do a better job.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;955530]So are you net over looking the fact that the offense turned the ball over four times (rgiii twice) and we got hit with brutal penalties that not only took points off the board but also resulted in a 40 yard swing and a loss of a first down on the opponent's twelve yard line? I don't think RG III is totally blameless in this loss.[/quote]

Not overlooking the turnovers and questionable penalties, but looking where the game was with under 2 minutes. No matter what else happened during the game, the Redskins had the lead on the road with under 2 minutes in a huge divisional game. It was an incredible momentum shift, and to lose the game from that point on was extremely frustrating.

Games are almost always decided in the 4th quarter, and plays have to be made in the 4th quarter to win consistantly. RG has proven twice now, that he can lead a team from behind into a late 4th quarter lead. What else can you ask for?

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[quote=SmootSmack;955534]Mind....blown[/quote]

Cool, thanks man. I figured I'd lay a little knowledge on ya.

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[quote=jdc65;955782]Not overlooking the turnovers and questionable penalties, but looking where the game was with under 2 minutes. No matter what else happened during the game, the Redskins had the lead on the road with under 2 minutes in a huge divisional game. It was an incredible momentum shift, and to lose the game from that point on was extremely frustrating.

Games are almost always decided in the 4th quarter, and plays have to be made in the 4th quarter to win consistantly. RG has proven twice now, that he can lead a team from behind into a late 4th quarter lead. What else can you ask for?[/quote]

I agree with you 100%. But I'll never forgive Madieu Williams for that blown assignment in letting that bastard Cruz get behind him.

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[quote=Mattyk;955680][B]Yeah who needs a guy that can catch a ball and go 88 yards for a score?[/B] Shit like that is so overrated.

:doh:[/quote]

True, we don't need Terrell Owens around here anyway...

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Here's the thing about reasonable expectations heading into the season, and where the team is right now. I believe most fans realistically expected the team to be around a .500 team with a slight chance to make the playoffs if everything broke correctly.

That also goes to expectations that a rookie quarterback would struggle as he grows into the league. My expectations were that the team would carry the water for Griffin this season, asking him to limit mistakes, and not try to do to much. A good running game, strong defense, make a few key plays, and the team will find a way to eek out 7-8 wins.

The fact that Griffin is playing at an elite level changes expectations. The rookie is playing like a potential MVP candidate, and the team still isn't winning. If the defense and special teams were just decent, as they should be 3 years into the program, the Skins would be at 5-2, if not better. With a legitimate chance to win the division, and make some noise in the playoffs.

No one could have expected RG to play at this level so soon, otherwise expectations would have certainly been much higher across the board. Of course, no one could have expected the defense to play as they have either. Special teams to a lesser extent. It's just frustrating.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;955786]I agree with you 100%. But I'll never forgive Madieu Williams for that blown assignment in letting that bastard Cruz get behind him.[/quote]

I agree that Williams was at fault for giving up the Cruz touchdown. It seems that Madieu has been a step slow and a split second late on numerous plays in every game. I believe he has literally given up at least 1 touchdown in every game this season because he's a hair or 2 late in coverage.

In my opinion, given his obvious limitations, he is a cover 2 safety only who should have very specific responsibilities. Meaning he can't be counted on to stop the run and cover the pass, he just can't. He also can't cover the whole field. Split the field in half, keep him 15-20 yards back in his half, and he has deep cover responsibility and plays within his zone. The run defense suffers, as well as creative blitzing, but it's better than being burned into toast every week.

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[quote=jdc65;955784]Cool, thanks man. I figured I'd lay a little knowledge on ya.[/quote]

For some reason, this is the most hilarious thing I've seen on the boards since the Skins lost.

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Maybe we are just a 4-3 unit just putting it out there. Non of our LB can cover and our secondary been in the 4-3 there whole career other than B.Meriweather.

The DL too been in the 4-3 other than Bowen.

Just IMO maybe we are just a 4-3 team I also believe Orakpo and Kerrigan can do better in the scheme Im sure as hell Cofield would he is not a NT

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[quote=Deivybaby;955826]Maybe we are just a 4-3 unit just putting it out there. Non of our LB can cover and our secondary been in the 4-3 there whole career other than B.Meriweather.

The DL too been in the 4-3 other than Bowen.

Just IMO maybe we are just a 4-3 team I also believe Orakpo and Kerrigan can do better in the scheme Im sure as hell Cofield would he is not a NT[/quote]

So what made us so good last year?

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[quote=SmootSmack;955545]We have some very creative thinkers here[/quote]

LOLOL

"creative" - I was going with irrational.

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[quote=SmootSmack;955424]Well, here are my quick thoughts (editor's note: I'll bring "Smoot Lays the Smack Down" when Meriweather, Garcon or Brown return)

RG3: The scramble and thrown on 4th and 10 was incredible. Clearly showed his athletic ability. But more importantly, that's the type of play that more often than not a rookie QB loses sense of where he is and crosses the line of scrimmage before throwing the ball. Good presence of mind on his part. But he can't be absolved for the TOs. The fumble looked like poor awareness on his part. The INT to Paulsen looked like a miscommunication between the two of them. Probably doesn't happen with Davis in there.

Kyle Shanahan: Think he's insanely talented and he'd be missed. But his problem, which I've said before, is that he thinks too hard sometimes. Run on 3rd down? No problem with that. The Redskins had been showing an inability to hold onto the ball and you want to stay in FG range so if you can get 3 and hold them to 3 you're still just down 7. Run an option? Ok, that's a bit of a stretch (no pun intended) but we have the talent to pull it off. Run an option with Niles Paul at that point in the game? That's thinking too hard. That's "they don't expect this so I'll fool them with this" Sometimes you gotta just go with the most obvious play and personnel and execute. Sometimes you gotta just rely on the brawns and not the brains.

Turnovers: The turnovers were terrible but I have a hard time getting worked up over them, because twice we got the ball right back on our turnovers. [B]Heck of an athletic play by Rob Jackson on his INT by the way.[/B]

Secondary: I can't really blame the scheme in this scenario. Williams simply made a poor play.[/quote]

That his second big interception this year. And he followed that pick up with a monster sack that we didn't take advantage of... the guy is playing like a stud.

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[quote=Kindoy;955834]That his second big interception this year. And he followed that pick up with a monster sack that we didn't take advantage of... the guy is playing like a stud.[/quote]

Coach Haz obviously saw something. Somehow he knew that Manning was going to throw an pass near the numbers. Jackson simply dropped back in coverage and read Manning's eyes. He made a nice interception.

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;955841]Coach Haz obviously saw something. Somehow he knew that Manning was going to throw an pass near the numbers. Jackson simply dropped back in coverage and read Manning's eyes. He made a nice interception.[/QUOTE]

Clearly Haslett managed to hit the right xbox button and make Jackson jump at the right time to get that interception.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;955827]So what made us so good last year?[/quote]

Rex Grossman........

Edit. Where you bring sarcastic or joking lol. I thought the D last year wasnt good we took down the bad offenses but we got dominated by more efficent offenses. Our D wasnt that good it was better than this year but still not good . Had some good games against NY last year and Dallas first meeting but got destroyed trough alot of games.

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[quote=Kindoy;955834]That his second big interception this year. And he followed that pick up with a monster sack that we didn't take advantage of... the guy is playing like a stud.[/quote]

Wouldnt say studddddd but hes not a bad back up he has 2 ints and thats enough for me from a back up.

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[quote=Deivybaby;955826]Maybe we are just a 4-3 unit just putting it out there. Non of our LB can cover and our secondary been in the 4-3 there whole career other than B.Meriweather.

The DL too been in the 4-3 other than Bowen.

Just IMO maybe we are just a 4-3 team I also believe Orakpo and Kerrigan can do better in the scheme Im sure as hell Cofield would he is not a NT[/quote]

I agree with you 100%, seriously. The 3-4 was a mistake, and it's time to end the experiment. The league had been trending towards a 3-4 because Belichick implemented and won with it in the early 2000's to combat Peyton Manning's offense. But the game has changed so drastically since then, and quarterbacks so much better at reading defenses that pressuring the passer with fewer players is the primary goal now. More defenders to cover more receivers.

It's very rare to find a 3-4 end who can apply constant pressure, Justin Smith and JJ Watt are exceptions. It's much easier to find 4-3 ends who can do it frequently. As it stands now, the Skins can't apply pressure without rushing 5 or more guys. Less guys in coverage is bad if you don't get the Qb quick.

That the Skins' outside linebackers can't cover effectively, and would all be better rushing the Qb makes it a pretty simple decision in my honest opinion. The whole point of a 3-4 is for the outside linebackers to cover receiving targets frequently so that you can blitz other players from different areas.

There are 2 primary goals of defenses today in my estimation. Get the quarterback and take away his targets. Stopping the run is secondary. Of course a 4-3 is better at stopping the run anyway as the team has 2 big tackles inside instead of 1. This 3-4 business of occupying blockers is yesterday's news. Much more important for all linemen to penetrate into the backfield.

I honestly feel that Shanahan wanted to switch to a 3-4 because he wanted to follow the trend while it was hot, when really the trend was reversing the other way. He got on the train while the smart money was getting off.

You want to know where the NFL is going, follow the Patriots. Belichick is a trailblazer. This panic offense he's running is the next thing, when really it's just what high speed college teams have been doing. Defenses are going to a 4-2-5 because more athletic receivers are going out.

Griffin is a new trend, but his skill set is so unique that it's almost impossible to replicate. Have to give Kyle some credit because he lets RG run his Baylor offense with added wrinkles, and most importantly, he stays out of the way and lets Robert be Robert.

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Despite the turnovers we could have won that game. We could have won with 4 turnovers but you can't play defense like the Skins did when Cruz got behind the whole secondary and expect to win. That was more sad than the turnovers. We could be plus 2 in turnovers and lose playing defense like that.

We are one more draft from a contender for the Superbowl. RG3 is a stud and has proven he can keep us in games with any team in this league. Great move to get him Shanny. Now just fix that secondary and another stud linebacker to be groomed by London Fletcher when he can't continue and we will be good. The O-Line could use a stud or 2 but we are very close to turning this around.

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1380496-breaking-down-the-biggest-plays-of-nfl-week-7]Breaking Down the Biggest Plays of NFL Week 7 | Bleacher Report[/url]

A good break down on our busted play. (scroll down to Eli's game winning TD pass)





[quote]...for a few seconds, anyway. Eli Manning's been playing a long time, and he's led more than his fair share of fourth-quarter comebacks. The Giants faced 2nd-and-10 from their own 22-yard line with 1:23 still left on the clock, and Manning decided he didn't need that long.

They lined up in a shotgun, with trips to the right, a split end out left and a tailback in to block. The Redskins are in an interesting 2-4-5 nickel, with two defensive tackles up front, four linebackers and five defensive backs:

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The two outside linebackers blitz, leaving the two inside 'backers in zone coverage. Tight end Martellus Bennett is the inside slot receiver in the trips group, and he (sort of) chips the blitzer before running a five-yard out. The other two receivers in the trips are the ones who matter:

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Victor Cruz is running a fly route, and the other receiver runs a deep curl. This puts pressure on safety Madieu Williams, who's got the deep zone coverage.

The protection sets up nicely for Manning—the blitzers are picked up. Cruz beats his man Dijon Gomes cleanly, and Williams sees it. He sees it...and...does...nothing:
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Williams takes forever to flip his hips and go. Cruz flies past him at full throttle before he can even turn. Manning makes the read and delivers the ball, with Cruz two steps clear of both Williams and Gomes:

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The rest is salsa. Cruz scores the game-winning touchdown, and Manning—after a rough game—puts another notch in his belt.


[/quote]


Cliffnotes: Williams is garbage.

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[quote=jdc65;955868]I agree with you 100%, seriously. The 3-4 was a mistake, and it's time to end the experiment. The league had been trending towards a 3-4 because Belichick implemented and won with it in the early 2000's to combat Peyton Manning's offense. But the game has changed so drastically since then, and quarterbacks so much better at reading defenses that pressuring the passer with fewer players is the primary goal now. More defenders to cover more receivers.

It's very rare to find a 3-4 end who can apply constant pressure, Justin Smith and JJ Watt are exceptions. It's much easier to find 4-3 ends who can do it frequently. As it stands now, the Skins can't apply pressure without rushing 5 or more guys. Less guys in coverage is bad if you don't get the Qb quick.

That the Skins' outside linebackers can't cover effectively, and would all be better rushing the Qb makes it a pretty simple decision in my honest opinion. The whole point of a 3-4 is for the outside linebackers to cover receiving targets frequently so that you can blitz other players from different areas.

There are 2 primary goals of defenses today in my estimation. Get the quarterback and take away his targets. Stopping the run is secondary. Of course a 4-3 is better at stopping the run anyway as the team has 2 big tackles inside instead of 1. This 3-4 business of occupying blockers is yesterday's news. Much more important for all linemen to penetrate into the backfield.

I honestly feel that Shanahan wanted to switch to a 3-4 because he wanted to follow the trend while it was hot, when really the trend was reversing the other way. He got on the train while the smart money was getting off.

You want to know where the NFL is going, follow the Patriots. Belichick is a trailblazer. This panic offense he's running is the next thing, when really it's just what high speed college teams have been doing. Defenses are going to a 4-2-5 because more athletic receivers are going out.

Griffin is a new trend, but his skill set is so unique that it's almost impossible to replicate. Have to give Kyle some credit because he lets RG run his Baylor offense with added wrinkles, and most importantly, he stays out of the way and lets Robert be Robert.[/quote]

i agree. The problem is out 3-4 lb are not quick or consistent enough to get oressure we also have no real pass rusing 3-4 dl and we have no good secondary. We should stop the eperiment we can nect year raheem morris can be the 4-3 coach and he studied under mpnte kiffin in only makes sense shanny should be smart man he did thia in denver and was stubburn

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[quote=Deivybaby;955984]i agree. The problem is out 3-4 lb are not quick or consistent enough to get oressure we also have no real pass rusing 3-4 dl and we have no good secondary. We should stop the eperiment we can nect year raheem morris can be the 4-3 coach and he studied under mpnte kiffin in only makes sense shanny should be smart man he did thia in denver and was stubburn[/quote]

It might be easier to agree with you, or take your post seriously, IF you made some sort of effort to spell check, just saying. And no posts don't have to have perfect grammar and spelling, but it helps.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;955990]It might be easier to agree with you, or take your post seriously, IF you made some sort of effort to spell check, just saying. And no posts don't have to have perfect grammar and spelling, but it helps.[/quote]

We holding firstdown to these same standards as well? :D

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[quote=NC_Skins;955969][url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1380496-breaking-down-the-biggest-plays-of-nfl-week-7]Breaking Down the Biggest Plays of NFL Week 7 | Bleacher Report[/url]

A good break down on our busted play. (scroll down to Eli's game winning TD pass)








Cliffnotes: Williams is garbage.[/quote]

Excpet when he's scoring for us.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;955996]Excpet when he's scoring for us.[/quote]

I'm afraid the bad about Williams outweighs the good. The good things don't happen enough to make me think Williams isn't garbage. He's either running into his own men trying to go for the big hit rather than the INT or blowing coverages.

We could've paid any scrub to do that.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;955827]So what made us so good last year?[/quote]

We we're middle of the pack defense last year, and underperformed compared to the talent on the roster. We're underperforming even worst this season.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;955999]I'm afraid the bad about Williams outweighs the good. The good things don't happen enough to make me think Williams isn't garbage. He's either running into his own men trying to go for the big hit rather than the INT or blowing coverages.

We could've paid any scrub to do that.[/quote]

also, while the run after the catch was nice, the actual int was nothing special at all because the ball was overthrown by the QB - the cause of the TD had more to do with the run back more so than him being in position to make that ONE play that he had

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;955996]Excpet when he's scoring for us.[/QUOTE]

He happened to be running twards an errant ball and than had an entire team of blockers in front of him. Wasnt exactly a great read on the ball followed by some flashy dashy run into the endzone. Just sayin.


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[quote=The Goat;956004]We we're middle of the pack defense last year, and underperformed compared to the talent on the roster. We're underperforming even worst this season.[/quote]

We have 4 starters out, and you think we are under performing? You overvalue the talent we have, which is the case with most fans.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;955994]We holding firstdown to these same standards as well? :D[/quote]

He's making FD look like a grammar/spelling champ ... that takes some doing.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;955990]It might be easier to agree with you, or take your post seriously, IF you made some sort of effort to spell check, just saying. And no posts don't have to have perfect grammar and spelling, but it helps.[/quote]

Im on my cellphone. Its ok .

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[quote=NC_Skins;956019]We have 4 starters out, and you think we are under performing? You overvalue the talent we have, which is the case with most fans.[/quote]
IDK why people keep thinking with Orakpo and Carriker our D would some how do much better? our pass D would of been killed and in the rams game we already where giving them big plays. Yes Orakpo had a nice sack against Bradford but other than that it took Brad what 1-2 secs to throw it ? .

Jacksons really the hugest lose IMO and Brandon Meriweather isnt even that good he had a overrated pro-bowl year in NE and thats it. We just dont have the right coaches or players for this D . Now 04-05 where real good defenses.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;956027]He's making FD look like a grammar/spelling champ ... that takes some doing.[/quote]

I hate lame people lol.

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[quote=Deivybaby;956033]IDK why people keep thinking with Orakpo and Carriker our D would some how do much better? our pass D would of been killed and in the rams game we already where giving them big plays. Yes Orakpo had a nice sack against Bradford but other than that it took Brad what 1-2 secs to throw it ? .

Jacksons really the hugest lose IMO and Brandon Meriweather isnt even that good he had a overrated pro-bowl year in NE and thats it. We just dont have the right coaches or players for this D . Now 04-05 where real good defenses.[/quote]


How exactly do you know whether the loss of Jackon/Meriweather isn't that much? It's hard to say that without them ever playing a single down. Not unless you have some sort of ability to see into another dimension where they are healthy and played the last 6 games.

I think Jackson and Meriweather were upgrades over what we had, but yet still a stop gap until we could find something better.

[QUOTE=Deivybaby;956036]I hate lame people lol.[/QUOTE]

Dont worry man you arent being graded. I think any participation is good participation on a chat board. Makes the world go round. Fcuk them if bad spellong gets their panties in a bunch.


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after all this is not no spelling bea

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[quote=JoeRedskin;955775]Because Gaffney would do a better job.[/quote]

and one could say that at least Gaffney would be on the field..........

and for a whole hell of alot less money............

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[quote=Mechanix544;956054]and one could say that at least Gaffney would be on the field..........

and for a whole hell of alot less money............[/quote]


You could say the same with any former or out of work NFL receiver and this be true. Still doesn't mean it would be affective.

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[quote=Deivybaby;956029]Im on my cellphone. Its ok .[/quote]

Dude, I post from my cellphone all the time. I tweet from it. I use it for business. Guess what, I still make sure my posts are understandable and reasonably well formed both with grammar and spelling. Otherwise, just wait a few bits and type from a computer, I promise the Warpath will still be anxiously awaiting your latest post asking for an update on Haslett's status.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;956062]Dude, I post from my cellphone all the time. I tweet from it. I use it for business. Guess what, I still make sure my posts are understandable and reasonably well formed both with grammar and spelling. Otherwise, just wait a few bits and type from a computer, I promise [B]the Warpath will still be anxiously awaiting your latest post asking for an update on Haslett's status[/B].[/quote]

What a lame person you are.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;956062]Dude, I post from my cellphone all the time. I tweet from it. I use it for business. Guess what, I still make sure my posts are understandable and reasonably well formed both with grammar and spelling. Otherwise, just wait a few bits and type from a computer, I promise the Warpath will still be anxiously awaiting your latest post asking for an update on Haslett's status.[/quote]

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