Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=mredskins;824132]So if he is a good QB now and he has not yet peaked in your opinion then the next step would logically be that he would be come "special". So yes you are saying he is on the "special" path.

I am just saying the dude peaked and he is now a good but not great QB, I don't see him making the special step.

If given the choice between him and Matt Ryan I take MR.[/quote]

If I'm saying he hasn't peaked, I'm just saying he's capable of further growth.

You're the one saying special. Whatever that means.

Re: sam bradford
 

I don't think he's a bum, 25 td's is pretty dang good. I just think he's a guy that won't carry a team to the SB. In fact didn't he have like 20 passing yards in that game vs NE in the playoffs?

Re: sam bradford
 

He's junk alright:

In his rookie year, he threw for 2,971 yards, 14 touchdowns, and 12 interceptions while starting all 16 regular season games to become only the eighth rookie quarterback in NFL history to start a playoff game. By leading the Ravens to two road wins in the 2008-09 NFL Playoffs, he became the first rookie quarterback in league history to win two playoff games. In his second season, Flacco improved to 3,613 yards, 21 touchdowns, and 12 interceptions, and set single season franchise records for completion percentage (63.1) and quarterback rating (88.9). In his third year in the NFL, Flacco is ranked first all time in Ravens history for passing yards (10,081) and passing touchdowns (60). By starting in two playoff games in 2009, Flacco earned the record for most starts by a quarterback in the first two seasons in NFL history (38). Flacco became just the fourth quarterback to bring his team to the playoffs in his first three seasons, and is the first to win a game in each.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=Mattyk;824140]He's junk alright:

In his rookie year, he threw for 2,971 yards, 14 touchdowns, and 12 interceptions while starting all 16 regular season games to become only the eighth rookie quarterback in NFL history to start a playoff game. By leading the Ravens to two road wins in the 2008-09 NFL Playoffs, he became the first rookie quarterback in league history to win two playoff games. In his second season, Flacco improved to 3,613 yards, 21 touchdowns, and 12 interceptions, and set single season franchise records for completion percentage (63.1) and quarterback rating (88.9). In his third year in the NFL, Flacco is ranked first all time in Ravens history for passing yards (10,081) and passing touchdowns (60). By starting in two playoff games in 2009, Flacco earned the record for most starts by a quarterback in the first two seasons in NFL history (38). Flacco became just the fourth quarterback to bring his team to the playoffs in his first three seasons, and is the first to win a game in each.[/quote]


Was it Flacco who got them all the playoff kudos? Or maybe more so that defense.

And the Raven's history stuff is junk becasue really they have never even had a good QB in their short history.

And by special I mean this:

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Re: sam bradford
 

Of course it's a team effort but he's part of that team. They don't do it all with D.

Re: sam bradford
 

Let me ask a simple question here about the good but not "special" [whatever that means] Joe Flacco:

[INDENT]If he magically were transferred to the Washington Redskins for the 2011 season, could he make the Skins' roster - - even if he would not know Kyle Shanahan's offense that is more complicated than String Theory?[/INDENT]
Now an observation:

Flacco just took some heat for going to the playoffs 3 years in a row and winning a game in those three playoffs on the basis that it was the Ravens' defense that carried him. There is a germ of truth in there; the Ravens' defense is REALLY good...

HOW-EVAH, there are more than a few folks here who seem to think the fact that Rex Grossman was the QB for the Bears' Super Bowl team proves that he is a [I]bona fide [/I]starting QB of above average capability. The Bears' defense that year was also REALLY good...

I suspect that Flacco would get a lot more respect here if the color of his uniform were different...

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;824153]Let me ask a simple question here about the good but not "special" [whatever that means] Joe Flacco:
[INDENT]If he magically were transferred to the Washington Redskins for the 2011 season, could he make the Skins' roster - - even if he would not know Kyle Shanahan's offense that is more complicated than String Theory?[/INDENT]Now an observation:

Flacco just took some heat for going to the playoffs 3 years in a row and winning a game in those three playoffs on the basis that it was the Ravens' defense that carried him. There is a germ of truth in there; the Ravens' defense is REALLY good...

HOW-EVAH, there are more than a few folks here who seem to think the fact that Rex Grossman was the QB for the Bears' Super Bowl team proves that he is a [I]bona fide [/I]starting QB of above average capability. The Bears' defense that year was also REALLY good...

[B]I suspect that Flacco would get a lot more respect here if the color of his uniform were different..[/B].[/quote]

Raven's fans are his biggest critics. I know a ton that beleive they have missed out on SB glory becasue of him. I am not agreeing with them just pointing them out.

Re: sam bradford
 

I think the biggest issue for Bradford is can he stay healthy. So far so good.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=NM Redskin;824160]I think the biggest issue for Bradford is can he stay healthy. So far so good.[/quote]
Dude what are you doing????

This thread is clearly about Flacco!



Just on a side note and this doesn't make beleive what Flacco is or will be but if I see another Wacko for Flacco sign again I am going to scream.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;823956]If Flacco is JC, then you have just thrown the rest of the Redskins' roster under the bus.

Flacco's team has made the playoffs more than once; JC and the Redskins were also-rans. If Flacco = JC, that can only mean that the rest of the Skins team stunk it up and cost a playoff berth.

Is that your message?[/quote]This is basically exactly correct on the dot.

Re: sam bradford
 

I would bet strongly against Sam Bradford's career breaking into the second coming of Rick Mirer. The sample size of one season is too small to accurately draw this parallel. But if I was a betting man, that would be a good place to push the chips right now while expectations are unreasonable.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=9017]Sam Bradford’s rookie season has been incredibly overrated » Pro-football-reference.com blog » Blog Archive[/url]

It was in a completely different offensive philosophy and is hardly a strong comparison, but 2008 Joe Flacco>2010 Sam Bradford in most every way.

Still, Matt Ryan's rookie year was the best year by a rookie QB in all the year's I've been following the NFL.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;823655]What are you talking about? Flacco matched Eli's career year numbers in literally half the time (3 years to 6).

Schuab fine but Eli? Thats just good old fashion hatting.[/quote]If you cut Eli's career off just three years into it, where Flacco is now in his career, you could certainly argue for Flacco. Eli wasn't all that good before the run leading up SB42. Was a huge projection on the $100 million extension that the Giants gave him, hoping he could sustain performance.

But understand that the passing environment has changed considerably over that timeframe, and Flacco didn't develop in an era where the standard passing statistics were 6.7 YPA and less than 60% completion. Passing is up since the middle of the decade, and so is scoring.

I am a fan of Joe Flacco the person (much as I am a fan of Rex Grossman, the person), and would greatly enjoy his success. But if he ever gets to the level that Eli is currently at, I would be stunned.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;824058]Don't blame Houston's awful D on Schaub. Flacco actually has accuracy as well, something JC will never consistently have.[/quote]There is no meaningful difference between Flacco's accuracy numbers (from completion percentage right down the line), and Campbells accuracy numbers. They're basically the same player at this point in their careers.

I like Campbell more this year from a fantasy perspective because I like Oakland's proven ability to get vertical over Baltimore's stated attempt to get faster on the outsides. And as a check down receiver, Darren McFadden is the best in the business (not that Ray Rice is a slouch). Flacco is playing a ton of bad pass defenses though, so he has that going for him.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=Mattyk;824109]lol this place cracks me up I swear[/quote]

What can I see. Snyder was a big fan of Summer Catch. He figured if someone looking like that could hook up with Jessica Beil they could hook the team up with a Super bowl win.

Re: sam bradford
 

[quote=GTripp0012;824267]I would bet strongly against Sam Bradford's career breaking into the second coming of Rick Mirer. The sample size of one season is too small to accurately draw this parallel. But if I was a betting man, that would be a good place to push the chips right now while expectations are unreasonable.

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=9017"]Sam Bradford’s rookie season has been incredibly overrated » Pro-football-reference.com blog » Blog Archive[/URL]

It was in a completely different offensive philosophy and is hardly a strong comparison, but 2008 Joe Flacco>2010 Sam Bradford in most every way.

[B]Still, Matt Ryan's rookie year was the best year by a rookie QB in all the year's I've been following the NFL[/B].[/quote]I would take Dan Marino's rookie year over any QB I've seen - he only started half that season, and put up 20 TD's, then followed it up with 48 TDs and his only Super Bowl appearance in year 2.