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[quote=punch it in;1218135]You literally quoted and piggy backed off of Chicos post which was basically him saying she is a dumb bitch ho. Be careful the company you keep I guess.
Donald Trump won so how can anyones politics instill doubt in you? That is a serious question.[/quote]

I replied to his comment because it was in reference to Kamala Harris. I didn't bold anything or add anything about what he said.

Debates are about winning, not making sure the loser is happy with how its won. And lets not just act like all the other candidates in recent history were nice sweet angels, and Trump was the 1st one to ever be negative. People in the same parties even rip each other to shreds in primaries.

No one thought Trump would win in the 1st place. Running some uber liberal from the bay area is a walk in the park. Don't see her wining a lot of votes between the coasts. If she is the Democrats best candidate, Democrats are in trouble.

I am a conservative so I agree with a lot of things Trump has done. And if the media ever covered him remotely fairly more people would know about some of the positive results. There is probably nothing me and Harris would do the same.

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On that note, I'm back out of this thread. Should have stayed out. Don't want to argue with Punch and Giant about Trump and politics. Good luck Chico.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1218144]I replied to his comment because it was in reference to Kamala Harris. I didn't bold anything or add anything about what he said.



Debates are about winning, not making sure the loser is happy with how its won. And lets not just act like all the other candidates in recent history were nice sweet angels, and Trump was the 1st one to ever be negative. People in the same parties even rip each other to shreds in primaries.



No one thought Trump would win in the 1st place. Running some uber liberal from the bay area is a walk in the park. Don't see her wining a lot of votes between the coasts. If she is the Democrats best candidate, Democrats are in trouble.



I am a conservative so I agree with a lot of things Trump has done. And if the media ever covered him remotely fairly more people would know about some of the positive results. There is probably nothing me and Harris would do the same.[/QUOTE]



1) make ur own post do not piggyback off of a crass, male chauvinist one if you do not want to be associated with it - message board 101.
2) debates are about winning- not hurling insults and lies just to incite your base.
3) Trump is by far thee rudest politician to ever hold office and no rude is not a good quality- it does not mean he has balls. It means he has no plan, no policies in place and so he acts out like any ignorant bully ever.
4) Trump won because Russia hacked the election- but I know everyone in his orbit is under indictment or in jail because of coincidence and Mueller has a secret vendetta against a reality tv star. [emoji849]
5) don’t leave now - things are starting to get good and when they get really good I want to hear your excuses. [emoji16] plus Chico needs you. He is all alone without you.

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[quote=punch it in;1218150]1) make ur own post do not piggyback off of a crass, male chauvinist one if you do not want to be associated with it - message board 101.
2) debates are about winning- not hurling insults and lies just to incite your base.
3) Trump is by far thee rudest politician to ever hold office and no rude is not a good quality- it does not mean he has balls. It means he has no plan, no policies in place and so he acts out like any ignorant bully ever.
4) Trump won because Russia hacked the election- but I know everyone in his orbit is under indictment or in jail because of coincidence and Mueller has a secret vendetta against a reality tv star. [emoji849]
5) don’t leave now - things are starting to get good and when they get really good I want to hear your excuses. [emoji16] plus Chico needs you. He is all alone without you.[/quote]

At this point we are who we are and neither one of us our changing each others minds. The only thing that will come out of this is us arguing and likely insulting each other. Chico doesn't seem to mind being the loan wolf.

#trumptrain2020 #bigballslol

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1218153]At this point we are who we are and neither one of us our changing each others minds. The only thing that will come out of this is us arguing and likely insulting each other. Chico doesn't seem to mind being the loan wolf.



#trumptrain2020 #bigballslol[/QUOTE]



Lol. Absolutely would not insult you. There is one other thing that will come out of this though. The truth.
#getoboys

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Let's be honest Punch, Trump's shit-flinging, making up dumb names for his opponents, and ignoring his own hypocrisies while making debates look like they came straight out of Idiocracy has been successful so far. If his opponents make it about politics or try to be polite while pointing out his flaws they will lose. His base eats up that shit for breakfast.

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More I read about Howard Schultz...the more I like

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[quote=mooby;1218187]Let's be honest Punch, Trump's shit-flinging, making up dumb names for his opponents, and ignoring his own hypocrisies while making debates look like they came straight out of Idiocracy has been successful so far. If his opponents make it about politics or try to be polite while pointing out his flaws they will lose. His base eats up that shit for breakfast.[/quote]

Yup but the sad thing is the trump base/cult in turn does the same thing and when they do it ,they fail.

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more winning.................Foxconn


[url]https://madison.com/wsj/business/foxconn-changes-focus-of-massive-wisconsin-project/article_42c67a52-5c4e-5093-a5fa-2db5dfd95dc8.html[/url]

Instead of manufacturing the TVs in the U.S., Woo told Reuters it would be more profitable to make them in China and Japan, assemble them in Mexico and import them to the U.S.


“In Wisconsin we’re not building a factory,” Woo told Reuters. “You can’t use a factory to view our Wisconsin investment.”

Foxconn chairman Terry Gou has previously said the company plans to replace 80 percent of its workers with robots in the next five to 10 years.

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Im starting to love Howard Schultz:


Schultz: " I'm not a Democrat, I don't affiliate myself with the Democratic Party, whose so far left, who basically wants the government to take over a health care which we cannot afford. The government to give free college to everybody and the government to give everyone a job which basically is 40 trillion dollars on the balance sheet of 21 and a half trillion dollars, we can't afford it. What can we do, what we need is comprehensive tax reform, what we need is sensible solutions to immigration, all of these things cannot happen under the current environment. Now I've also been criticized for being a billionaire, let's talk about that. I'm self-made! I grew up in the projects in Brooklyn, New York. I thought that was the American dream, the aspiration of America . You're gonna criticize me for being successful?"


Yes, yes. I'm not gonna criticize you for being successful, but the Democrats will criticize you for being successful because the left gets everything backwards. We've talked about this for weeks now on the show, it's become clearer every day. To a large portion of America being a self-made billionaire is not the dream, for a large portion of America — to the left — the American dream is to be the most aggrieved, it is to be the biggest victim, to check off all the victimhood boxes, that is the dream, that is what people are trying to do now. There are a lot of people who were born into immense privilege who pretend that they weren't. [B]A great example of this is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She grew up in a nicer town than I did, she grew up right next door to where I did, a very affluent county, one of the richest in the country. She grew up there from the age of five all the way up through college. She attended a private college, according to her voting records she lived in ritzy Northern Westchester until just two years ago, and what does she do? She pretends she's Jenny from the block. It's not my phrase, she tweets it out she says “I'm still I'm still Alex from the Bronx.” She's pretending that she's had a worse upbringing, a worse education, a more difficult aggrieved experience of life than she has because people are ashamed on the left of success and privilege, and so they even flip humility and modesty.[/B]


nailed it

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Not another business guy, please

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[quote=Chico23231;1218231]Im starting to love Howard Schultz:


Schultz: " I'm not a Democrat, I don't affiliate myself with the Democratic Party, whose so far left, who basically wants the government to take over a health care which we cannot afford. The government to give free college to everybody and the government to give everyone a job which basically is 40 trillion dollars on the balance sheet of 21 and a half trillion dollars, we can't afford it. What can we do, what we need is comprehensive tax reform, what we need is sensible solutions to immigration, all of these things cannot happen under the current environment. Now I've also been criticized for being a billionaire, let's talk about that. I'm self-made! I grew up in the projects in Brooklyn, New York. I thought that was the American dream, the aspiration of America . You're gonna criticize me for being successful?"


Yes, yes. I'm not gonna criticize you for being successful, but the Democrats will criticize you for being successful because the left gets everything backwards. We've talked about this for weeks now on the show, it's become clearer every day. To a large portion of America being a self-made billionaire is not the dream, for a large portion of America — to the left — the American dream is to be the most aggrieved, it is to be the biggest victim, to check off all the victimhood boxes, that is the dream, that is what people are trying to do now. There are a lot of people who were born into immense privilege who pretend that they weren't. [B]A great example of this is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She grew up in a nicer town than I did, she grew up right next door to where I did, a very affluent county, one of the richest in the country. She grew up there from the age of five all the way up through college. She attended a private college, according to her voting records she lived in ritzy Northern Westchester until just two years ago, and what does she do? She pretends she's Jenny from the block. It's not my phrase, she tweets it out she says “I'm still I'm still Alex from the Bronx.” She's pretending that she's had a worse upbringing, a worse education, a more difficult aggrieved experience of life than she has because people are ashamed on the left of success and privilege, and so they even flip humility and modesty.[/B]


nailed it[/quote]
Chico, your bias is showing..................again/still.

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[quote=Giantone;1218243]Chico, your bias is showing..................again/still.[/quote]

lol my bias for life long democrat Schultz bring logical arguments to problems facing this country? I think Schultz nails the false narrative emerging within the democratic party....hence why everyone is running in fear and are triggered. He's good...and logic is a problem with the Democratic party right now.



Reactions to Howard Schultz could make case for Howard Schultz

[url]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/note-reactions-howard-schultz-make-case-howard-schultz/story?id=60729686[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1218234]Not another business guy, please[/quote]

Because all the politicians up until Trump got elected have done such a great job? Politicians get rich being politicians, they're in business too, at our expense.

Don't like the idea of solely excluding someone because of their background. If a businessman/woman is the best candidate he/she should win.

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[quote=Giantone;1218243]Chico, your bias is showing..................again/still.[/quote]

This is an easy game:

Giantone, your bias is showing..................again/still.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1218247]Because all the politicians up until Trump got elected have done such a great job? Politicians get rich being politicians, they're in business too, at our expense.

Don't like the idea of solely excluding someone because of their background. If a businessman/woman is the best candidate he/she should win.[/quote]

trump has proven you can't run a Country like you do a business . We will all wait while you find anyone here who has said that the Politicians are great and never eff up. trump has proven you can't have a business man run a country like a business like the latest goverment shut down.trump is use to not paying his contractors and walking away from things.A President a good one any way can't do that.

You don't think trump is making money while being president , he has showed more concern for his daughter's business dealings with China then doing what is right for Americans.

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Politicians have proven to me that you can't run the country like a politician. [U]See[/U] 21 trillion in debt, the deadlocks, the petulant arguing, see all the pork, waste, and kickbacks. This list can go on forever. And I'm talking about both sides long before Trump got elected.

If another business person is elected, that doesn't mean they would do exactly the same as Trump.

Excluding possible candidates before even hearing their ideas just because they are in the private sector doesn't seem right to me.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1218247]Because all the politicians up until Trump got elected have done such a great job? Politicians get rich being politicians, they're in business too, at our expense.



Don't like the idea of solely excluding someone because of their background. If a businessman/woman is the best candidate he/she should win.[/QUOTE]



I just want someone who understands how gov’t works and doesn’t have super sketchy conflicts of interest



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[quote=MTK;1218264]I just want someone who understands how gov’t works and doesn’t have super sketchy conflicts of interest

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I want someone that can learn to adjust to how government works but also has a business sense too. If the federal government was a real company it wouldn't exist anymore. Government and the politicians that run it continue to get rich, and don't have to make decisions like the rest of us, and they can just vote to confiscate and waste our money.

I guess I trust business people more than politicians as a whole, because businesses typically have to offer something that people want, and manage money successfully, if they want to stay around.

That is not to say that there aren't a lot of shitty shady business people too. And I agree 100% that conflict of interests have to be avoided.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1218267]I want someone that can learn to adjust to how government works but also has a business sense too. If the federal government was a real company it wouldn't exist anymore. Government and the politicians that run it continue to get rich, and don't have to make decisions like the rest of us, and they can just vote to confiscate and waste our money.

I guess I trust business people more than politicians as a whole, because businesses typically have to offer something that people want, and manage money successfully, if they want to stay around.

That is not to say that there aren't a lot of shitty shady business people too. [B]And I agree 100% that conflict of interests have to be avoided[/B].[/quote]

Have you heard of this guy Donald Trump?

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[quote=mooby;1218269]Have you heard of this guy Donald Trump?[/quote]

Trump? Never heard of her.

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A history of the marginal tax rate:

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Well I guess the next shoe to drop in Virginia Democrat politics is Mark Herring is a tranny.

What a disgrace, killing babies coming down the birth canal, black face, and sexual assault...disgusting week here in Virginia. People who voted for this garbage should be ashamed.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1218361]A history of the marginal tax rate:



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[quote=Chico23231;1218550]Well I guess the next shoe to drop in Virginia Democrat politics is Mark Herring is a tranny.

What a disgrace, killing babies coming down the birth canal, black face, and sexual assault...disgusting week here in Virginia. People who voted for this garbage should be ashamed.[/quote]
Chico your outrage at these events is amusing to say the least but considering your support of trump not surprising.

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[quote=Giantone;1218552]Chico your outrage at these events is amusing to say the least but considering your support of trump not surprising.[/quote]

It’s fairly embarrassing to everyone...regardless of what you support, even to us libertarians.

The craziest shit I’ve seen is where Northam had to be stopped by his wife from doing the moonwalk. The guy is a certified moron.

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I remember back in my day we didn't have an income tax. Now we talk about 70% not being too bad.

I personally want a flat tax with no taxes on the 1st 25K for individuals and 50K for joint filers, give or take a few 1000 either way. Everyone pays the exact same after that. Business tax should be flat too. I'd be ok with national sales tax too.

Voting to take more of someone else's money or to put more in your pocket is not the America I want to live in. Tax code now creates so much division. I don't want to live with subsidies, tax loopholes, etc., either. That's just me tho.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1218556]I remember back in my day we didn't have an income tax. Now we talk about 70% not being too bad.

I personally want a flat tax with no taxes on the 1st 25K for individuals and 50K for joint filers, give or take a few 1000 either way. Everyone pays the exact same after that. Business tax should be flat too. I'd be ok with national sales tax too.

Voting to take more of someone else's money or to put more in your pocket is not the America I want to live in. Tax code now creates so much division. I don't want to live with subsidies, tax loopholes, etc., either. That's just me tho.[/quote]

I have been a proponent of a "Flat Tax"for a while ".

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1218556]I remember back in my day we didn't have an income tax. Now we talk about 70% not being too bad.

I personally want a flat tax with no taxes on the 1st 25K for individuals and 50K for joint filers, give or take a few 1000 either way. Everyone pays the exact same after that. Business tax should be flat too. I'd be ok with national sales tax too.

Voting to take more of someone else's money or to put more in your pocket is not the America I want to live in. Tax code now creates so much division. I don't want to live with subsidies, tax loopholes, etc., either. That's just me tho.[/quote]

Do you understand what a marginal tax is? It's not 70% of your income. It's 70% of your income after you reach the 10 million threshold in a single year, and even then that first 10 million isn't touched at 70%. It's also a big reason why America prospered after WW2.

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[quote=Chico23231;1218550]Well I guess the next shoe to drop in Virginia Democrat politics is Mark Herring is a tranny.

What a disgrace, [B]killing babies coming down the birth canal[/B], black face, and sexual assault...disgusting week here in Virginia. People who voted for this garbage should be ashamed.[/quote]

Really Chico? As one man to another, what gives you the right to decide what women do with their bodies? I say this not even mentioning that literally most of 3rd trimester abortions are due to complications where the mother or baby's life is at risk. Do you really think women want to deal with a pregnancy for 6+ months only to end it as the baby is due? Get a grip.

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[quote=mooby;1218562]Really Chico? As one man to another, what gives you the right to decide what women do with their bodies? I say this not even mentioning that literally most of 3rd trimester abortions are due to complications where the mother or baby's life is at risk. Do you really think women want to deal with a pregnancy for 6+ months only to end it as the baby is due? Get a grip.[/quote]

yes really. no lie. late trimester should have the most extreme restrictions and if no complications found, both the doctor and the woman in the case the baby would be killed would face charges of murder.

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[quote=mooby;1218561]Do you understand what a marginal tax is? It's not 70% of your income. It's 70% of your income after you reach the 10 million threshold in a single year, and even then that first 10 million isn't touched at 70%. [B]It's also a big reason why America prospered after WW2[/B].[/quote]

Yes I remember economics talking how the prominent driving force behind the post WW2 boom was the marginal tax. :laughing2

The marginal tax your proposing does not equal tax revenue(that's the yuge problem)...and the biggest question simply is "why?" Tell me why you want to raise this tax? Are you using the money to pay down debt...the fair share? That's reasonable...or are you looking spend it? The absolute highest figures Ive seen of source able revenue have been insignificant...and those figures are without the obvious move to tax shelters which will happen. The highest figures will take a willingness of folks to submit to the tax....this will not happen. There are much better ways to tax the extreme wealthy.

I know you and AOC are trying to lay the ground work for the unicorn farms...the marginal tax simply does not cover it...not even close. After all the legislation is passed for your fantasy land and the realization is the Wealthy tax increase wont come close to paying for it...who do you tax next? The largest tax base always picks up the tab

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[quote=Giantone;1218560]I have been a proponent of a "Flat Tax"for a while ".[/quote]

Stop the fucking presses!!! Giantone and me agreed on something. I just saw a whole army of pigs streak across the skies.

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[quote=mooby;1218561]Do you understand what a marginal tax is? It's not 70% of your income. It's 70% of your income after you reach the 10 million threshold in a single year, and even then that first 10 million isn't touched at 70%. It's also a big reason why America prospered after WW2.[/quote]

Yes, I know what a marginal tax is, and I don't agree with it. Should have been more clear in my response. But I don't agree with government getting 70% of any amount over X number of dollars, even if someone is making billions a year. Its our money not the governments. Government should try spending less. Always take take take, spend spend spend. And they turn voters against each other to do it. Our tax code now is a joke.

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Always amazes me how defensive people get when it comes to the rich, like our turn to join the 1% is just around the corner


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I think taxes should be based on living standards.

If a minimum for a safe living income is $30K per year then people making : 2 years or less would not pay taxes. (up to 60K = 0 tax)
2 to 4 years would pay 1/2 year tax (60-120K = 15k tax)
4-6 years to years would pay 1 year equivalent
6-8 yrs - 2yrs
8-10yrs - 3
over 10yrs add one per every 2 years. over 100 one for 1 up to 75 yearvalues

No more calculations/deductions, and the cost of living is set by an independent group that uses set cost markers - like food, oil rent, and healthcare. Additional markers for regional differences so it is fair across all spectrums of the US. I would do everything possible to insulate that group from political pressure

The point of making it valued by the cost of living is it keeps income tax relative to what someone really needs to survive. Hard to bitch about a 70yearvalue tax rate when the fact is you are still keeping enough per year to live 30 years on what the cost of living is.

I also would do away with filing type. Every person would be subject to the same rates. If a husband earns 4x and a wife earns 3x they would each be taxed accordingly

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[quote=MTK;1218574]Always amazes me how defensive people get when it comes to the rich, like our turn to join the 1% is just around the corner

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Amazes me how offensive people are about taking other people's money. That goes both ways.

Its not about being defensive of rich people, its about sticking to principles you think are right. I imagine it's the same for you. We just have different principles on this matter.

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[quote=MTK;1218574]Always amazes me how defensive people get when it comes to the rich, like our turn to join the 1% is just around the corner


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[url]https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2019/02/04/new-york-estimates-2-3-billion-less-income-tax-payments-and-blames-washington/2769553002/[/url]

SALT which benefits the top earners...Cuomo crying about it, how it hurts the wealthy.

Cuomo quit crying, lower your ridiculous state taxes which AFFECT everyone and cut your insane, overbearing state government which burden everyone in the state.


So its funny now how the Democrats want an uncapped SALT to benefit the Rich and extremely well-off.


“This is the flip side," Cuomo said. "Tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich. The rich leave, and now what do you do?”

lol...no shit...AOC says tax them more...

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[quote=Chico23231;1218569]Yes I remember economics talking how the prominent driving force behind the post WW2 boom was the marginal tax. :laughing2

The marginal tax your proposing does not equal tax revenue(that's the yuge problem)...and the biggest question simply is "why?" Tell me why you want to raise this tax? Are you using the money to pay down debt...the fair share? That's reasonable...or are you looking spend it? The absolute highest figures Ive seen of source able revenue have been insignificant...and those figures are without the obvious move to tax shelters which will happen. The highest figures will take a willingness of folks to submit to the tax....this will not happen. There are much better ways to tax the extreme wealthy.

I know you and AOC are trying to lay the ground work for the unicorn farms...the marginal tax simply does not cover it...not even close. After all the legislation is passed for your fantasy land and the realization is the Wealthy tax increase wont come close to paying for it...who do you tax next? The largest tax base always picks up the tab[/quote]

Are you implying lower and middle class America would pick up the tab on a marginal tax rate of 70% over 10 million dollars?

Also, the 1% is already hiding their taxable income in tax shelters, how much more do you think they'd have to give that they haven't given already?

And finally, thanks for sticking up for the rich Chico, who knows what they'd do if they didn't have you to defend them.

I'm not saying a marginal tax rate is the solution to all of our problems. I am saying it would go a long way in helping fund the government which keeps borrowing against my social security that I won't be able to depend on in 30 years when I retire.

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[quote=mooby;1218587][B]Are you implying lower and middle class America would pick up the tab on a marginal tax rate of 70% over 10 million dollars[/B]?

Also, the 1% is already hiding their taxable income in tax shelters, how much more do you think they'd have to give that they haven't given already?

And finally, thanks for sticking up for the rich Chico, who knows what they'd do if they didn't have you to defend them.

I'm not saying a marginal tax rate is the solution to all of our problems. I am saying it would go a long way in helping fund the government which keeps borrowing against my social security that I won't be able to depend on in 30 years when I retire.[/quote]

Im implying if massive legislation was passed which ended major economic systems such as healthcare, higher education, etc with the promise the rich/wealth tax revenue will cover the cost along with cost cutting savings measure of the move...if we move these under a socialist style government control entity (which lets be honest, this is the end game)...when the numbers don't add up, which they don't...the brunt of the financial pain will be brought down on the middle class. AOC and K Harris are selling you fantasy land, unicorns, etc. If you want an honest liberal view...see what Bloomberg and Schultz have said about it.

You want to hit the wealthy...ill have to look again, but I think its capital gains and treatment of other income (investment maybe, to treat as regular income)...looking at larger thresholds with a more substantial tax once they are met.

The shelters, contract deferments, folks leaving...the super wealthy will avoid the taxes your referring too.