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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1054837]The defensive coaching situation as rumored so far seems a little weird to me. Morris is an ex-head coach, he is definitely ready and qualified to be a DC. But if Haslett is staying he should stay as DC and Morris should stay as secondary coach if he's open to it. I think moving Haslett to "Assistant" Head Coach regardless if the money is more is still a demotion in terms of control/coaching of the team. There can be only one head coach.

To sum up if they want Morris to be DC then I think Haslett needs to be let go, if they are keeping Haslett, then he should be DC and Morris should remain DB coach.

I'm glad we got Gruden, I was for giving someone new a chance to be head coach.[/quote]

from what i understand haslett is going to be the linebackers coach and help with the defensive gameplan. morris would call the defense on gameday.

I'd be okay with that. haslett has to be a decent coach, but his results as a DC really do stand against him.

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^ sdskinsfan2001 acts like demoting Haslett is a bad thing! His defense sucked, he should be fired. Making him the linebackers coach is his best option. Does anyone think he would get a job as a DC on any other team this year? Hell NO!

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There may be a lot of reasons why Haslett would want to stay, even if he is no longer the DC. Yes, LB coach would be a demotion but. if he wants to stay in D.C. and he likes the people he would be working with, the public perception might not bother him that much. There may also be compelling personal reasons why he would like to stay in this area.

I see no reason why he wouldn't be a fine LB coach and contributor in defensive game planning.

The primary issue I have with him as DC is his play calling in crunch time.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1054849]There may be a lot of reasons why Haslett would want to stay, even if he is no longer the DC. Yes, LB coach would be a demotion but. if he wants to stay in D.C. and he likes the people he would be working with, the public perception might not bother him that much. There may also be compelling personal reasons why he would like to stay in this area.

I see no reason why he wouldn't be a fine LB coach and contributor in defensive game planning.

[B]The primary issue I have with him as DC is his play calling in crunch time.[/B][/quote]

to the bold part . . . a lot of what i have been reading is that Shanny has made the defensive calls in crunch time. Like the cover 0 blitz against the Cowboys that bit the Skins in the ass . . .

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1054861]to the bold part . . . a lot of what i have been reading is that Shanny has made the defensive calls in crunch time. Like the cover 0 blitz against the Cowboys that bit the Skins in the ass . . .[/quote]

I'd really like to know which man made that call. I suppose it's possible that Haslett is not quite as bad as Shanny has made him look at times.

But even if Shanny was the source of some egregious defensive play calls, I still think we should hire a DC who is better than Haslett.

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No way I'm gonna let up on Haslettusdown now based on a couple plays. He has been below average since the day we got him.

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Here is my biggest issue with hiring anybody on the current staff to be our DC if we stay with the 3-4.


1) Haslett is terrible with the 3-4, even if Shanny undermined him on a few plays.

2) Morris has had no experience running the 3-4 until these last two years.


I'm not sold on any of these guys being our DC, and I think we will be starting out on the wrong note if we choose to go that route with this regime.

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It's so bizarre this whole situation ... I really don't mind Morris as DC and Haslett taking demotion ... but i'd sure as hell much rather see Wade Phillips get his ass up in the booth ?

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How Hasslett or Monty Kiffen both still have jobs is beyond comprehendable to me. Especially in todays nfl. Both futility record setters. They should have a love child and name it $hit.

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I don't see how Hasslett survives as a status quo DC. There is nothing substantial enough in his Redskins tenure to say the defense is on the correct track. I never felt that he and Morris meshed. I know we had poor DB talent but at times I felt that the secondary was on a different page.
MAYBE if Morris had more or primary input and the front office had more say so in delivering the talent needed for scheme. Otherwise I get sick thinking of the same defense we have had for the last 4 years.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1054848]^ sdskinsfan2001 acts like demoting Haslett is a bad thing! His defense sucked, he should be fired. Making him the linebackers coach is his best option. Does anyone think he would get a job as a DC on any other team this year? Hell NO![/quote]

I did not say I was for or against him staying. Jay Gruden is the head coach, and I think that he should pick his coaching staff. If he wants Haslett to be DC then I'm ok with that, if he wants to fire him completely I'm more than fine w/ that.

Maybe he will want to stay, I don't know the guy obviously, but from my perspective I would have a hard time remaining at my current job if I got demoted. I'd rather have the same job (where I was demoted to) somewhere else.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1054849]There may be a lot of reasons why Haslett would want to stay, even if he is no longer the DC. Yes, LB coach would be a demotion but. if he wants to stay in D.C. and he likes the people he would be working with, the public perception might not bother him that much. There may also be compelling personal reasons why he would like to stay in this area.

I see no reason why he wouldn't be a fine LB coach and contributor in defensive game planning.

The primary issue I have with him as DC is his play calling in crunch time.[/quote]

I have no problem with him staying, it just seems like an interesting situation to me. I guess if Haslett is fine w/ the demotion then it won't be a huge deal. As I mentioned previously, I want Gruden to fill his staff as he sees fit, as long as everyone 100% buys into their roles. I don't want in-house fighting.

Personally, I'd prefer for Morris to be DC, seems like he gets the players to respond to him. What I would like even more, is to get some real talent on defense. Make any coaches life better.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1054926]I did not say I was for or against him staying. Jay Gruden is the head coach, and I think that he should pick his coaching staff. If he wants Haslett to be DC then I'm ok with that, if he wants to fire him completely I'm more than fine w/ that.

Maybe he will want to stay, I don't know the guy obviously, but from my perspective I would have a hard time remaining at my current job if I got demoted. I'd rather have the same job (where I was demoted to) somewhere else.[/quote]might be a big assumption that Jay Gruden get to pick his assistant coaches here

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If Gruden stays with a 3-4 defense then Hasslett should be let go (or not DC). I believe Morris should not experienced enough with a 3-4 defense to be DC. I just hope Gruden does not stay with a 3-4 defense....hasn''t worked for us in 4 years....

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1054926]I did not say I was for or against him staying. Jay Gruden is the head coach, and I think that he should pick his coaching staff. If he wants Haslett to be DC then I'm ok with that, if he wants to fire him completely I'm more than fine w/ that.

Maybe he will want to stay, I don't know the guy obviously, but from my perspective I would have a hard time remaining at my current job if I got demoted. I'd rather have the same job (where I was demoted to) somewhere else.[/quote]

Difference between us and them is that they get paid millions of dollars plus there are only so many of these NFL coaching jobs. The move was made so fast that Gruden didn't even realize what happened. Hell he hasn't even watched any Redskins tape.

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[quote=VTSkins1961;1054931]If Gruden stays with a 3-4 defense then Hasslett should be let go (or not DC). I believe Morris should not experienced enough with a 3-4 defense to be DC. I just hope Gruden does not stay with a 3-4 defense....hasn''t worked for us in 4 years....[/quote]

Neither did the 4-3. That's why we switched to the 3-4 in the first place.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1054929]might be a big assumption that Jay Gruden get to pick his assistant coaches here[/quote]

Whether he actually gets to or not, I don't know, but I would prefer if he did. Just my perspective.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1054929]might be a big assumption that Jay Gruden get to pick his assistant coaches here[/quote]

At his presser Gruden said he would pick his own coaches.

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[quote=Lotus;1054973]At his presser Gruden said he would pick his own coaches.[/quote]

yeah I remember that but I really wonder if he or Allen has final say. I pray Snyder isnt involved.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1055000]yeah I remember that but I really wonder if he or Allen has final say. I pray Snyder isnt involved.[/quote]

Dude you're the most pessimistic Debbie Downer around here.

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[quote=Paintrain;1055003]Dude you're the most pessimistic Debbie Downer around here.[/quote]I'm just tired of so many trainwrecks at head coach.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1055017]I'm just tired of so many trainwrecks at head coach.[/quote]

Well maybe sit this one out then and quit being a sad sack.

Just a quick note on Gruden, as a professional player or high level coach (coordinator or HC) he never finished a season with a losing record. He had two .500 seasons, one as a player and one as a coach. Dude just wins.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1055017]I'm just tired of so many trainwrecks at head coach.[/quote]

We all are. That doesn't mean we should moan and bring everyone else down.

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I wonder if the front office is looking into any of the Jets assistant coaches to join our staff. A coach that has learned under Rex Ryan sounds interesting.

[QUOTE]Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 12h
Jets still haven't offered extensions to any of the at least half-dozen asst. coaches on staff, and they're now free to talk to other teams.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=SkinzWin;1054953]Neither did the 4-3. That's why we switched to the 3-4 in the first place.[/quote]

Statistically we were better with a 4-3 defense then a 3-4 defense. Bottom line is we need to upgrade personal and coaches to make what ever scheme we go with work.

As far as the switch goes..that was a Shannahan bonehead move

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Saw an article on SI about Jay Gruden. Sort of disgusted me. It said that one of the things that was told to Gruden by Dan Snyder was that he was to announce RG3 was the starting QB, and that there would be no competition.

While RG3 should start next year, this to me says that things are already going down the same path that they've always been : Dan Snyder tells the coach who he is going to play, instead of the coach deciding on how he will put the best players on the field.

Competition is always good for everyone. No way this team wins or is successful as long as this crap is going on - the owner telling the coach who he must play. It is disgusting

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1055109]Saw an article on SI about Jay Gruden. Sort of disgusted me. It said that one of the things that was told to Gruden by Dan Snyder was that he was to announce RG3 was the starting QB, and that there would be no competition.

While RG3 should start next year, this to me says that things are already going down the same path that they've always been : Dan Snyder tells the coach who he is going to play, instead of the coach deciding on how he will put the best players on the field.

Competition is always good for everyone. No way this team wins or is successful as long as this crap is going on - the owner telling the coach who he must play. It is disgusting[/quote]

I agree. The Broncos, Colts, Patriots, Seahwaks.....all of the playoff teams for that matter...all of them have coaches who let the world know that there is constant open competition for their quarterback positions.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1055109]Saw an article on SI about Jay Gruden. Sort of disgusted me. It said that one of the things that was told to Gruden by Dan Snyder was that he was to announce RG3 was the starting QB, and that there would be no competition.

While RG3 should start next year, this to me says that things are already going down the same path that they've always been : Dan Snyder tells the coach who he is going to play, instead of the coach deciding on how he will put the best players on the field.

Competition is always good for everyone. No way this team wins or is successful as long as this crap is going on - the owner telling the coach who he must play. It is disgusting[/quote]

Article link please

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1055109]Saw an article on SI about Jay Gruden. Sort of disgusted me. It said that one of the things that was told to Gruden by Dan Snyder was that he was to announce RG3 was the starting QB, and that there would be no competition.

While RG3 should start next year, this to me says that things are already going down the same path that they've always been : Dan Snyder tells the coach who he is going to play, instead of the coach deciding on how he will put the best players on the field.

Competition is always good for everyone. No way this team wins or is successful as long as this crap is going on - the owner telling the coach who he must play. It is disgusting[/quote]

Jay Gruden said it best in his opening press conference:

“I hear, but I don’t really believe all the reports that you guys report.”

In all fairness RG3 should be the starter, he's better than KC and he's our number 2 overall pick.

[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;1055110]I agree. The Broncos, Colts, Patriots, Seahwaks.....all of the playoff teams for that matter...all of them have coaches who let the world know that there is constant open competition for their quarterback positions.[/QUOTE]

Really? So Denver and NE are telling everyone those guys aren't locks to start lmao... Cmon man

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1055109]Saw an article on SI about Jay Gruden. Sort of disgusted me. It said that one of the things that was told to Gruden by Dan Snyder was that he was to announce RG3 was the starting QB, and that there would be no competition.

While RG3 should start next year, this to me says that things are already going down the same path that they've always been : Dan Snyder tells the coach who he is going to play, instead of the coach deciding on how he will put the best players on the field.

Competition is always good for everyone. No way this team wins or is successful as long as this crap is going on - the owner telling the coach who he must play. It is disgusting[/quote]

I think you may have misread

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1055116]Really? So Denver and NE are telling everyone those guys aren't locks to start lmao... Cmon man[/quote]

I know sarcasm is hard to show on the web, but I though that one was obvious.

[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;1055118]I know sarcasm is hard to show on the web, but I though that one was obvious.[/QUOTE]

Lol o ok

According to ESPN the skins never cancelled any other interviews after gruden was hired lmao sucks for Greg Roman

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I've never seen a head coach who was hired receive so much criticism from the media or from it's fans. I really hope he succeeds after all of it.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1055120]According to ESPN the skins never cancelled any other interviews after gruden was hired lmao sucks for Greg Roman[/quote]

According to the Redskins and 49ers official statements, that didn't happen.

#stopbelievingeverythingyouhear

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Schefter, while we don't really get along personally, is a solid and diligent reporter. But I think he built, probably unwittingly, so large a reputation for being Mike Shanahan's sounding board, that it's going to be hard to take his Redskins related reports without a big grain of salt for at least the short term

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Sounds like interviews weren't even scheduled yet with those guys, so there was nothing to cancel.

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I voted yes, I approve of the hire. While, I am in a "wait in see" mode as to whether or not he will be successful here, I do believe it was a good hire.

I am really liking what I am reading about his philosophy, that he adjusts his offenses to the strengths of his players, he allows dissenting opinions to be discussed openly, that he asks his QB's what they are comfortable with. I know that some people fear that this is buying in to Griffins alleged egomania, but actually this type of leadership style is extremely effective. The more you elicit the opinions of others, the more they buy-in to your vision, the more they are able to work within your paradigm, and the more they are able to make quick decisions that are in line with what you are doing, and all of this is is because when you invite others to be part of the decision making process, you are inviting them to think about it and understand it. I am excited and hopeful that this is the atmosphere that will allow RG3 to flourish, but of course, time will tell.